VLN crash at Nurburgring, at least one spectator killed :(
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horst 2b said:
Well, racing costs money , it's a part of the game .
It was a rich man's game only before sponsorship and training programs, but those days are long gone .
To my knowledge, Lewis Hamilton and Schumacher were not born with a silver spoon in their mouth, same with many other well known drivers .
They got sponsored eventually, just not by Sony .
And virtually all successful racing drivers of the past few decades learned the ropes by competing in karting and lower series for many years .
Sims are of course a big part of top tier racing these days, but that's not the kind of racing simulation you can buy on Amazon, software or hardware .
As much as some keyboard warriors like to believe it, you can't learn how to drive on your computer ; professional drivers use professional simulators to improve exsisting skills and save some time learning new technologies or studying tracks .
I don't know what the outcome of the investigation will be, or if a mistake was made that could have been avoided if the driver had more than basic skills and a deeper knowledge of racing .
But I hope in the future pro GT3 won't let drivers participate who got a seat due to a media campaign - and the money that comes with it .
If you dont truly understand Janns racing experience dont comment on it.It was a rich man's game only before sponsorship and training programs, but those days are long gone .
To my knowledge, Lewis Hamilton and Schumacher were not born with a silver spoon in their mouth, same with many other well known drivers .
They got sponsored eventually, just not by Sony .
And virtually all successful racing drivers of the past few decades learned the ropes by competing in karting and lower series for many years .
Sims are of course a big part of top tier racing these days, but that's not the kind of racing simulation you can buy on Amazon, software or hardware .
As much as some keyboard warriors like to believe it, you can't learn how to drive on your computer ; professional drivers use professional simulators to improve exsisting skills and save some time learning new technologies or studying tracks .
I don't know what the outcome of the investigation will be, or if a mistake was made that could have been avoided if the driver had more than basic skills and a deeper knowledge of racing .
But I hope in the future pro GT3 won't let drivers participate who got a seat due to a media campaign - and the money that comes with it .
Jann is a top talent and it is staggering that you think he has not been in a "challenging" environment. So far he has:
- Won a GP3 race against a field mostly composed of lads who have been doing karting since primary school and in his first year in the championship
- Had so much success in British GT that they banned GT Academy drivers from being the AM part of a Pro-Am pairing
- Out-qualified professional racing driver, former GT1 World Champion and factory Super GT driver, Michael Krumm in an LMP2 car at Le Mans. He then went quicker than him in free practice. He had at that point never raced an LMP2 car before...
- Set the fastest time in a supercar of any driver at the Goodwood Festival of Speed in a road going Nissan
Four impressive achievements in four notably different types of car. He may have only been racing a short time, but he has driven a staggering number of different category and type cars and been quick in them. Notice that Nissan have put him and Lucas Ordonez in the LMP1 car for Le Mans. There are many GT Academy finalists or winners who are not kept on after a couple of years, he has been I would guess because he appears quick and adaptable. In any given GT race there will be a number of gentlemen drivers of relatively limited experience and questionable talent. By contrast, Jann seems to be better than some of the long-serving pros.
- Won a GP3 race against a field mostly composed of lads who have been doing karting since primary school and in his first year in the championship
- Had so much success in British GT that they banned GT Academy drivers from being the AM part of a Pro-Am pairing
- Out-qualified professional racing driver, former GT1 World Champion and factory Super GT driver, Michael Krumm in an LMP2 car at Le Mans. He then went quicker than him in free practice. He had at that point never raced an LMP2 car before...
- Set the fastest time in a supercar of any driver at the Goodwood Festival of Speed in a road going Nissan
Four impressive achievements in four notably different types of car. He may have only been racing a short time, but he has driven a staggering number of different category and type cars and been quick in them. Notice that Nissan have put him and Lucas Ordonez in the LMP1 car for Le Mans. There are many GT Academy finalists or winners who are not kept on after a couple of years, he has been I would guess because he appears quick and adaptable. In any given GT race there will be a number of gentlemen drivers of relatively limited experience and questionable talent. By contrast, Jann seems to be better than some of the long-serving pros.
horst 2b said:
People, you don't listen .
What I say is no simulator can teach you how to drive, it only does what I mentioned above .
A computer game can teach you virtually nothing about driving , even if it is considered sophisticated and you buy those fancy controlers .
Playstations of course don't count at all . Neither does talent, as such a thing doesn't exist for rookies .
I checked the Wiki of the guy, and more sources - he has very little experience, and was by no means successful in any challenging role , just a few orchestrated successes.
He got shoe horned into the Sony/Nissan marketing gig 4 years ago, without any notable former racing experience .
I understand he comes from money .
Next thing you know, that kid is racing a GT3 car on the Nordschleife, which is a bit more demanding than his earlier races - and launches his car into the air in a place where such a thing is known to happen by professional drivers .
But again, I don't know the result of the investigation will be; if there has been a lack of driver competence, I trust driver, team and responsible GT academy personell will be charged , fined, have licences revoked and serve time .
You're a clueless bellend, plain and simple.What I say is no simulator can teach you how to drive, it only does what I mentioned above .
A computer game can teach you virtually nothing about driving , even if it is considered sophisticated and you buy those fancy controlers .
Playstations of course don't count at all . Neither does talent, as such a thing doesn't exist for rookies .
I checked the Wiki of the guy, and more sources - he has very little experience, and was by no means successful in any challenging role , just a few orchestrated successes.
He got shoe horned into the Sony/Nissan marketing gig 4 years ago, without any notable former racing experience .
I understand he comes from money .
Next thing you know, that kid is racing a GT3 car on the Nordschleife, which is a bit more demanding than his earlier races - and launches his car into the air in a place where such a thing is known to happen by professional drivers .
But again, I don't know the result of the investigation will be; if there has been a lack of driver competence, I trust driver, team and responsible GT academy personell will be charged , fined, have licences revoked and serve time .
horst 2b said:
Well, racing costs money , it's a part of the game .
It was a rich man's game only before sponsorship and training programs, but those days are long gone .
To my knowledge, Lewis Hamilton and Schumacher were not born with a silver spoon in their mouth, same with many other well known drivers .
They got sponsored eventually, just not by Sony .
And virtually all successful racing drivers of the past few decades learned the ropes by competing in karting and lower series for many years .
Sims are of course a big part of top tier racing these days, but that's not the kind of racing simulation you can buy on Amazon, software or hardware .
As much as some keyboard warriors like to believe it, you can't learn how to drive on your computer ; professional drivers use professional simulators to improve exsisting skills and save some time learning new technologies or studying tracks .
I don't know what the outcome of the investigation will be, or if a mistake was made that could have been avoided if the driver had more than basic skills and a deeper knowledge of racing .
But I hope in the future pro GT3 won't let drivers participate who got a seat due to a media campaign - and the money that comes with it .
Wow you really are a clueless cock, did you ever watch the GT Academy?It was a rich man's game only before sponsorship and training programs, but those days are long gone .
To my knowledge, Lewis Hamilton and Schumacher were not born with a silver spoon in their mouth, same with many other well known drivers .
They got sponsored eventually, just not by Sony .
And virtually all successful racing drivers of the past few decades learned the ropes by competing in karting and lower series for many years .
Sims are of course a big part of top tier racing these days, but that's not the kind of racing simulation you can buy on Amazon, software or hardware .
As much as some keyboard warriors like to believe it, you can't learn how to drive on your computer ; professional drivers use professional simulators to improve exsisting skills and save some time learning new technologies or studying tracks .
I don't know what the outcome of the investigation will be, or if a mistake was made that could have been avoided if the driver had more than basic skills and a deeper knowledge of racing .
But I hope in the future pro GT3 won't let drivers participate who got a seat due to a media campaign - and the money that comes with it .
He has also had to gain his licence like the rest of us, he's had a couple of seasons racing so not exactly a rookie now. I'd have no issue racing wheel to wheel with someone who didn't take the 'normal' route in to motorsport.
There are plenty of drivers making up the numbers that have accomplished far less then jann at the end of the day.
I don't see how it is any different to them. The fact he's gone on to do so well especially against drivers that started as cadets, speaks volumes about his natural talent.
I fail to see how it's his fault as well, could happen to anyone.
I don't see how it is any different to them. The fact he's gone on to do so well especially against drivers that started as cadets, speaks volumes about his natural talent.
I fail to see how it's his fault as well, could happen to anyone.
horst 2b said:
Well, racing costs money , it's a part of the game .
It was a rich man's game only before sponsorship and training programs, but those days are long gone .
To my knowledge, Lewis Hamilton and Schumacher were not born with a silver spoon in their mouth, same with many other well known drivers .
They got sponsored eventually, just not by Sony .
And virtually all successful racing drivers of the past few decades learned the ropes by competing in karting and lower series for many years .
Sims are of course a big part of top tier racing these days, but that's not the kind of racing simulation you can buy on Amazon, software or hardware .
As much as some keyboard warriors like to believe it, you can't learn how to drive on your computer ; professional drivers use professional simulators to improve exsisting skills and save some time learning new technologies or studying tracks .
I don't know what the outcome of the investigation will be, or if a mistake was made that could have been avoided if the driver had more than basic skills and a deeper knowledge of racing .
But I hope in the future pro GT3 won't let drivers participate who got a seat due to a media campaign - and the money that comes with it .
You know precisely fIt was a rich man's game only before sponsorship and training programs, but those days are long gone .
To my knowledge, Lewis Hamilton and Schumacher were not born with a silver spoon in their mouth, same with many other well known drivers .
They got sponsored eventually, just not by Sony .
And virtually all successful racing drivers of the past few decades learned the ropes by competing in karting and lower series for many years .
Sims are of course a big part of top tier racing these days, but that's not the kind of racing simulation you can buy on Amazon, software or hardware .
As much as some keyboard warriors like to believe it, you can't learn how to drive on your computer ; professional drivers use professional simulators to improve exsisting skills and save some time learning new technologies or studying tracks .
I don't know what the outcome of the investigation will be, or if a mistake was made that could have been avoided if the driver had more than basic skills and a deeper knowledge of racing .
But I hope in the future pro GT3 won't let drivers participate who got a seat due to a media campaign - and the money that comes with it .
k all. Update:
http://www.motorsport-xl.de/news/2015/Automobilspo...
Article is in German but I think the general gist of things is the GT3 and other classes are back but speed restrictions on certain parts of the circuit, 5% power reduction and limited access for spectators in certain areas.
http://www.motorsport-xl.de/news/2015/Automobilspo...
Article is in German but I think the general gist of things is the GT3 and other classes are back but speed restrictions on certain parts of the circuit, 5% power reduction and limited access for spectators in certain areas.
ribiero said:
Seems like a very sensible reaction from them (including the temporary initial ban on this category of car while investigations occurred). jsf said:
Those speed limits are very low compared to what you would normally see in a relatively average performance road car.
At what speed will a GT3 "fly" if the front lifts? I don't know. I doubt they know either. So a relatively low speed has to be the decision until they know more. Your average performance road car won't try to fly in the same way.every now and again there are fatalities in the sport, which is always regrettable, but the record of the Nordschleife isn't so bad as far as I am aware. The danger in motorsport is part of the excitement, and the reason spectators go to exciting places where they can get close to the action (in rallying and circuit racing) isn't to read sponsors names better, it is to share in some of that excitement.
Drivers also love the challenge of the track, partly because of the intensity of it.
I fail to see why it is unsuitable, unless you advocate all circuits being copy cat dull sanitised circuits where the spectators can't get close to the action at all.
I'm pretty sure race tickets probably still say you are spectating at your own risk and that motorsport is dangerous, I suspect it always will be.
Drivers also love the challenge of the track, partly because of the intensity of it.
I fail to see why it is unsuitable, unless you advocate all circuits being copy cat dull sanitised circuits where the spectators can't get close to the action at all.
I'm pretty sure race tickets probably still say you are spectating at your own risk and that motorsport is dangerous, I suspect it always will be.
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