Formula E - London
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a squad of us travelled from scotland to marshal the races, epic weekend. the track was tight, twisty and had some really weird cambers. From the shakedown on friday we knew we were in for something special and we were not disappointed, the cars are still fast, caliber of drivers is good and the whole atmosphere is very laid back, we were able to wander the pitlane on the friday night, chat to drivers and mechanics (try doing that in F1). The racing was okay from what i saw at post 10. Great weekend, well worth it
Looks like it was pretty successful in London.
http://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2015/june/formu...
1.2million viewers is pretty good going
http://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2015/june/formu...
1.2million viewers is pretty good going
designndrive62 said:
Looks like it was pretty successful in London.
http://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2015/june/formu...
1.2million viewers is pretty good going
some creative maths going on there....http://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2015/june/formu...
1.2million viewers is pretty good going
like 60,000 people over 3 days does not mean 60,000 people watched it, if the same 20,000 went every day...
then you get this:
article said:
With the Saturday race drawing a combined audience of over 900,000 from the live ITV4 broadcast and the ITV highlights, more than two million people in Britain watched the country’s first all-electric race.
How does that add up?Scuffers said:
designndrive62 said:
Looks like it was pretty successful in London.
http://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2015/june/formu...
1.2million viewers is pretty good going
some creative maths going on there....http://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2015/june/formu...
1.2million viewers is pretty good going
like 60,000 people over 3 days does not mean 60,000 people watched it, if the same 20,000 went every day...
then you get this:
article said:
With the Saturday race drawing a combined audience of over 900,000 from the live ITV4 broadcast and the ITV highlights, more than two million people in Britain watched the country’s first all-electric race.
How does that add up?designndrive62 said:
1.2million watched Sundays race when it was live on ITV. 900,000 watched saturday live or in highlights. That adds to over 2million over the two races on tv.
I seriously doubt that.Was it BARB figures?
Based on a representative 5100 households in the UK then multiplied up to get 1.2 million.
This will also assume that everybody in each household will be watching.
I have a wife and 3 kids. If I watched Formula E for 5 minutes before getting bored it would count as 5 happy viewers according the the BARB figures.
Take it with a pinch of salt.
Allyc85 said:
Tried watching the season finale, but just found it to be glorified bumper cars in the end when Buemi was trying to pass Senna.
The cars sound is grating, they are slow and the circuits are currently s
t. IMO the only thing that made the early races in the season was the suspension made of cheese breaking over kerbs.
Think I will wait until the cars are being properly developed before I give it another go really.
You dont like close racing?, best get back to F1 then.The cars sound is grating, they are slow and the circuits are currently s
t. IMO the only thing that made the early races in the season was the suspension made of cheese breaking over kerbs.Think I will wait until the cars are being properly developed before I give it another go really.
Scuffers said:
on this basis, you would class bumper-cars as close racing?
racing is not supposed to be a contract sport.
If you need to understand what close racing is, watch GP2 or formula Ford.
The last time I watched Formula Ford I fell into unconciousness, GP2 is ok but no closer than F1 imo and have seen plenty of contact in the races this season. Guess you totally diaprove of the Villneuve/Arnoux battle 79 also? Really dont understand why people seem to hate FE so much for no particular reason.racing is not supposed to be a contract sport.
If you need to understand what close racing is, watch GP2 or formula Ford.
thiscocks said:
Scuffers said:
on this basis, you would class bumper-cars as close racing?
racing is not supposed to be a contract sport.
If you need to understand what close racing is, watch GP2 or formula Ford.
The last time I watched Formula Ford I fell into unconciousness, GP2 is ok but no closer than F1 imo and have seen plenty of contact in the races this season. Guess you totally diaprove of the Villneuve/Arnoux battle 79 also? Really dont understand why people seem to hate FE so much for no particular reason.racing is not supposed to be a contract sport.
If you need to understand what close racing is, watch GP2 or formula Ford.
They're very slow. No faster than, if as fast as, a fairly average road car.
They have very poor power capacity.
The noise they make grates.
The circuits are poorly contrived to mask the lack of speed and power.
The race format is poorly contrived in an effort to mask the shortcomings in capacity.
They deliberately have no grip, again to mask their shortcomings in terms of motor performance.
These failings cannot be compensated for by encouraging reckless attempts to overtake and the subsequent accidents, except for a certain type of viewer.
I'll each FE when they're capable of running 20 minutes or more, at full power, on a proper circuit at a higher speed than FF.
PS.The FE has to be one of the ugliest single seaters to come off the drawing board for years, too.
REALIST123 said:
thiscocks said:
Scuffers said:
on this basis, you would class bumper-cars as close racing?
racing is not supposed to be a contract sport.
If you need to understand what close racing is, watch GP2 or formula Ford.
The last time I watched Formula Ford I fell into unconciousness, GP2 is ok but no closer than F1 imo and have seen plenty of contact in the races this season. Guess you totally diaprove of the Villneuve/Arnoux battle 79 also? Really dont understand why people seem to hate FE so much for no particular reason.racing is not supposed to be a contract sport.
If you need to understand what close racing is, watch GP2 or formula Ford.
They're very slow. No faster than, if as fast as, a fairly average road car.
They have very poor power capacity.
The noise they make grates.
The circuits are poorly contrived to mask the lack of speed and power.
The race format is poorly contrived in an effort to mask the shortcomings in capacity.
They deliberately have no grip, again to mask their shortcomings in terms of motor performance.
These failings cannot be compensated for by encouraging reckless attempts to overtake and the subsequent accidents, except for a certain type of viewer.
I'll each FE when they're capable of running 20 minutes or more, at full power, on a proper circuit at a higher speed than FF.
PS.The FE has to be one of the ugliest single seaters to come off the drawing board for years, too.
To be honest I think the interest in FE is because of the novelty value. People could watch GP2 or club racing most weekends and see much better racing - without the drivers having to swap cars when their batteries run down. REALIST123 said:
They're very slow. No faster than, if as fast as, a fairly average road car
I'm willing to accept they are slow compared to other racing cars, but to state they are on a part with any road car is just daft. To compare with an average road car is about as wrong as you can be.REALIST123 said:
I'll each FE when they're capable of running 20 minutes or more, at full power, on a proper circuit at a higher speed than FF.
As the owner/driver of the fastest model of Formula Ford ever produced and a spectator at the Formula E event, I am absolutely certain that Formula E is faster than Formula Ford in qualifying trim. I would expect them to be able to maintain this performance for 20 minutes within 2 years (they already do 25 minutes on their circuits).andylaurence said:
As the owner/driver of the fastest model of Formula Ford ever produced and a spectator at the Formula E event, I am absolutely certain that Formula E is faster than Formula Ford in qualifying trim. I would expect them to be able to maintain this performance for 20 minutes within 2 years (they already do 25 minutes on their circuits).
look up the donington test times, qualifying trim, they are marginally faster, in race trim (to make the 20 mins+) they are not.andylaurence said:
REALIST123 said:
They're very slow. No faster than, if as fast as, a fairly average road car
I'm willing to accept they are slow compared to other racing cars, but to state they are on a part with any road car is just daft. To compare with an average road car is about as wrong as you can be.REALIST123 said:
I'll each FE when they're capable of running 20 minutes or more, at full power, on a proper circuit at a higher speed than FF.
As the owner/driver of the fastest model of Formula Ford ever produced and a spectator at the Formula E event, I am absolutely certain that Formula E is faster than Formula Ford in qualifying trim. I would expect them to be able to maintain this performance for 20 minutes within 2 years (they already do 25 minutes on their circuits).Your point, as has already been pointed out, about qualifying trim is unfair. The maximum of 270 bhp goes down to 202.5 in race trim. Then there is an awful lot of lifting and coasting.
Yes, they're doing 25 minutes now, with a 25% reduction from their, unremarkable, full power and with battery saving techniques in play they've a long way to go to be able to run at full power for 20 minutes, but as said, when they get there and put them on a real circuit, I'll give them a look.
thiscocks said:
The last time I watched Formula Ford I fell into unconciousness, GP2 is ok but no closer than F1 imo and have seen plenty of contact in the races this season. Guess you totally diaprove of the Villneuve/Arnoux battle 79 also? Really dont understand why people seem to hate FE so much for no particular reason.
I quite clearly gave my reasons 
The race in London was only close because the track was so narrow and b
d hard to pass on!As said I will give the sport another chance when full development is allowed.
REALIST123 said:
Two cars out of three in my garage have an equal or better power to weight ratio than a FE in race trim. There are many, many road cars just the same. Last year's FF had a much higher PTW ratio too, I doubt if a FE in race spec would be anywhere near as quick.
Your point, as has already been pointed out, about qualifying trim is unfair. The maximum of 270 bhp goes down to 202.5 in race trim. Then there is an awful lot of lifting and coasting.
Lots of road cars have a higher power to weight ratio. It doesn't make them faster. I was on a test day at Combe on Thursday and the Ferrari F430 GT car there was just about keeping pace with with the FF1600s. My Ecoboost was 4 seconds a lap faster with just 200bhp, which is somewhat similar to the FE cars.Your point, as has already been pointed out, about qualifying trim is unfair. The maximum of 270 bhp goes down to 202.5 in race trim. Then there is an awful lot of lifting and coasting.
The Donington test days can't be compared for a few reasons including the fact that there were chicanes on the straights and that the cars had not been driven before. Lifting and coasting doesn't make much difference, especially when you consider that it's also used in the hallowed F1, which is also energy-limited.
andylaurence said:
REALIST123 said:
Two cars out of three in my garage have an equal or better power to weight ratio than a FE in race trim. There are many, many road cars just the same. Last year's FF had a much higher PTW ratio too, I doubt if a FE in race spec would be anywhere near as quick.
Your point, as has already been pointed out, about qualifying trim is unfair. The maximum of 270 bhp goes down to 202.5 in race trim. Then there is an awful lot of lifting and coasting.
Lots of road cars have a higher power to weight ratio. It doesn't make them faster. I was on a test day at Combe on Thursday and the Ferrari F430 GT car there was just about keeping pace with with the FF1600s. My Ecoboost was 4 seconds a lap faster with just 200bhp, which is somewhat similar to the FE cars.Your point, as has already been pointed out, about qualifying trim is unfair. The maximum of 270 bhp goes down to 202.5 in race trim. Then there is an awful lot of lifting and coasting.
The Donington test days can't be compared for a few reasons including the fact that there were chicanes on the straights and that the cars had not been driven before. Lifting and coasting doesn't make much difference, especially when you consider that it's also used in the hallowed F1, which is also energy-limited.
As you point out, your eco boost has 200bhp. What does it weigh? Not 900kg I suspect........
However, I didn't mention circuit times because the FE doesn't race on proper circuits. I appreciate my comments were a little specious but given a weight of 900Kg, albeit with a driver, and only 200bhp, it can't be called quick in comparison with any other single seater, and, as I've said, lots of road cars.
What do you think they had chicanes out at Donington? It wasn't to slow them down........
Whatever, if it satisfies your aspirations, you watch it. I again repeat, I'll watch it when they're capable of running flat out for 20 minutes on a real circuit.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 11th July 21:57
REALIST123 said:
As you point out, your eco boost has 200bhp. What does it weigh? Not 900kg I suspect........
About 550kg with me sat in it, which isn't much different to a FF1600 and that's only about 100bhp on road tyres with no aero ... And still faster than a road car. All in all, FE has a similar power to weight to a FF1600 and would most likely complete a race distance with those at a faster pace.More race power being considered for next year, which starts this year on Oct 17th - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/119995
From 150 to 170 kw, perhaps, at some point in a race or "at certain times in the lap or maybe in particular phases of the race".
Woooo exciting.
From 150 to 170 kw, perhaps, at some point in a race or "at certain times in the lap or maybe in particular phases of the race".
Woooo exciting.
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