The 2016 Rallying thread (WRC, ERC, RX, etc)
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Good stuff, hope it goes well for you!
Vw have been out testing their 2017 beast again!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qKJhTFei3Y
Vw have been out testing their 2017 beast again!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qKJhTFei3Y
With the on going safety review, Natural Resource Wales putting up stage fees by %100 has given rallying in the Uk yet another huge kick in the b
ks..
https://www.msauk.org/Open-letter-from-the-MSA-Chi...
ks..https://www.msauk.org/Open-letter-from-the-MSA-Chi...
The 2017, Yaris Wrc lives!
https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/7277950552...
Needs a bigger wing Imo..
https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/7277950552...
Needs a bigger wing Imo..
Allyc85 said:
The 2017, Yaris Wrc lives!
https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/7277950552...
Needs a bigger wing Imo..
Thats uglllly!https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/status/7277950552...
Needs a bigger wing Imo..
Allyc85 said:
With the on going safety review, Natural Resource Wales putting up stage fees by %100 has given rallying in the UK yet another huge kick in the bks..
https://www.msauk.org/Open-letter-from-the-MSA-Chi...
Motorsport News this week lead with 'Rallying in Crisis' - lets be honest, its been in crisis for over 10 years, and not helped by the MSA who don't seem to have a clue about the sport...ks..https://www.msauk.org/Open-letter-from-the-MSA-Chi...
Serious issue this one though, there is a very real possibility there will no Forest Rallying in Wales anymore, apart from Rally GB (which will go ahead regardless of the increase in cost), which is all most people on here think about anyway.
Bit harsh to blame the MSA this time though. Its a political problem really, NRW clearly don't want Rallying and have managed to manipulate the figures to justify a way of making it financially untenable. England and Scotland will be next once they realise how it can be done.
Bit harsh to blame the MSA this time though. Its a political problem really, NRW clearly don't want Rallying and have managed to manipulate the figures to justify a way of making it financially untenable. England and Scotland will be next once they realise how it can be done.
The issue will centre around the actual repair costs and if they are genuine or not. The rallying community will struggle to prove it isn't.
What isn't taken in to account is the money being brought into the rural communities by the visitors attending each event. Those figures swamp the repair costs but don't go into the purse of NRW at least not directly.
Like I said its all about politics
What isn't taken in to account is the money being brought into the rural communities by the visitors attending each event. Those figures swamp the repair costs but don't go into the purse of NRW at least not directly.
Like I said its all about politics
Rallying is a small community - and proving that they bring in lots of money for local businesses in Wales is hard to quantify.
Other sports/ leisure pursuits that use the forests, could argue that they bring in as much, and they don't destroy the roads.
This issue is not something new - and has been hanging around for quite a while.
Other sports/ leisure pursuits that use the forests, could argue that they bring in as much, and they don't destroy the roads.
This issue is not something new - and has been hanging around for quite a while.
Allyc85 said:
What I don't get is why this has all been left to the last minute. Surely Nrw gave some kind of hint that prices were to go up massively from next month?
Well clearly from the information available it's been coming for at least a year because NRW put the decision off for a year to try and find a solution, so they say.Perhaps the resources at the MSA have been otherwise engaged trying to sort out the legacy of the health and safety review and working on the closed road bill.
Plus of course applying most of there attention to circuit racing as usual.
quite a simple answer for me regarding repair costs on rally stages. abolish the rule of the centrally located service park open it up to a wider area of forestry and run a stage once. doing this multi use of a stage malarkey, especially under the new running order regs of no gaps between classes or the lower class cars first, makes for rough stages by the end of the event! many 1400/1600 class drivers have sat out the championship this year due to fear of breaking the car just trying to finish a stage.
You've just got to look at some of the retirements caused by running a stage twice. Meeke in Monte - lost a sump and holed the engine on a massive lump of bedrock that simply wouldn't have been an issue had the stage only run once.
A stage run once will not have half as much damage to the surface to repair, thus requiring less cost in regrading.
On the subject of regrading, the NRW have hardly been using good product to regrade recently, parts of stages have been dumped with stones you'd likely see on a railway line more than you'd find in a forest! I can assure you that the stages aren't great when I've gone through some 2hrs previous to the 1st competitive car!
If this issue isn't resolved soon and an agreement met by both parties the likes of Walters Grp are going to be making a killing as demand for the use of their private forestry is going to increase tenfold. And the MOD ranges!
You've just got to look at some of the retirements caused by running a stage twice. Meeke in Monte - lost a sump and holed the engine on a massive lump of bedrock that simply wouldn't have been an issue had the stage only run once.
A stage run once will not have half as much damage to the surface to repair, thus requiring less cost in regrading.
On the subject of regrading, the NRW have hardly been using good product to regrade recently, parts of stages have been dumped with stones you'd likely see on a railway line more than you'd find in a forest! I can assure you that the stages aren't great when I've gone through some 2hrs previous to the 1st competitive car!
If this issue isn't resolved soon and an agreement met by both parties the likes of Walters Grp are going to be making a killing as demand for the use of their private forestry is going to increase tenfold. And the MOD ranges!
I think under the present system, double useage means the club pays substantially less per mile.
Going to be easier to marshal too.
Agree about all the disadvantages though.
Just read that the Nicky Grist stages won't run, despite being mostly on military land. They can't use the small amount of route planned to be in the NRW forest, so can't get the mileage to make it worth while.
Going to be easier to marshal too.
Agree about all the disadvantages though.
Just read that the Nicky Grist stages won't run, despite being mostly on military land. They can't use the small amount of route planned to be in the NRW forest, so can't get the mileage to make it worth while.
Allyc85 said:
What I don't get is why this has all been left to the last minute. Surely Nrw gave some kind of hint that prices were to go up massively from next month?
They were certainly talking about doubling the charge at the end of last year. I think most rally people, and certainly the rally media, were so engrossed in dribbling about "new BRC" that they didn't notice. Ah, the rally media; basically PR people, not journalists. Very few rally journos ask the questions that need asking, especially about the governance/ future of the sport, etc
If this was known about last year, what were the MSA doing? And excuse my cynicism - but it seems they're only bothered about their cash cow - RallyGB...when the club/ national events are the ones that they should be more concerned about.
If this was known about last year, what were the MSA doing? And excuse my cynicism - but it seems they're only bothered about their cash cow - RallyGB...when the club/ national events are the ones that they should be more concerned about.
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