Aviva 'to fund £300m Circuit of Wales in Ebbw Vale'

[Stickyfinger]

010101 said:

A leisure facility in Wales would be less expensive than HS2.
A sort of better the devil you know.

But less people would use it

[MG CHRIS]

Stickyfinger said:

010101 said:

A leisure facility in Wales would be less expensive than HS2.
A sort of better the devil you know.

But less people would use it

but hs2 isn't needed where this track is needs funding/business and growth in the area it has been neglected for decades welsh valleys are crying out for big investments and this will start to turn the area around, Cardiff/Swansea and Newport has had vast sums of money on all 3 the valleys need the same.

[Stickyfinger]

MG CHRIS said:

all 3 the valleys need the same.

but nobody wants to go there, live there, employ people there, start a business there, invest their OWN money there or ect:

[MG CHRIS]

Stickyfinger said:

MG CHRIS said:

all 3 the valleys need the same.

but nobody wants to go there, live there, employ people there, start a business there, invest their OWN money there or ect:

Well that is hugely disrespectful to the people living in the valleys, business employing people in the area. Its people homes families have grown up in the area we where once the leading area during the industrial revolution business flocked to wales to create money via our resources. They may have gone but the familes still live there.
Also if people didn't want ti invest money in the area why are Aviva backing the project.

You may think the valleys is a st hole and some parts have dropped down a long way due to lack of investments but the business parks that are many mainly on old coal mines are busy employing people contrubiting to the local economy. There isn't many empty industrial estates at all so to say business don't want to come here is ridiculous and to say people don't want to go there is equally rubbish people flock to the area for its stunning scenery and history in the area.

Btw where do you live because if it isn't in wales you have no right in saying what you just said and what you said is factually wrong.

[Stickyfinger]

Well that is hugely disrespectful : nope realistic from the point of major investment, sorry if realism offends you.

Aviva like government cash, they will make anyway which way. ? 6000 full time jobs, having a laugh

Edited by Stickyfinger on Sunday 14th February 01:03

[MG CHRIS]

Stickyfinger said:

Well that is hugely disrespectful : nope realistic from the point of major investment, sorry if realism offends you.

Aviva like government cash, they will make anyway which way. ? 6000 full time jobs, having a laugh

Edited by Stickyfinger on Sunday 14th February 01:03

Ok then lets leave the valleys to fall even further into unemployment which costs the government even more. To state that nobody wants to place a business in the area you don't even live in smacks as you being an ignorant person.

You do know there isn't much government cash going into this something like 30 million and considering what the welsh assembly spunk on cash on stupid st this is small change that could bring back growth into the area.

I ask again where do you live.

[Stickyfinger]

South West

The valleys are as fked as other such places up north etc, the whole area is a sink hole. It has bugger all infrastructure, will not have any as the cost to get up there is prohibitive/other areas are easy to get to. It looks terrible with really crap housing etc etc etc (the list is endless).
To many "poor" people live there for it to be a holiday center/area of interest.

Will it just keep rotting, sorry to say yes.

Welsh Assembly is it seems a joke and is led by a donkey....just ASK TATA

Is the above a sad state of affairs, well Yes it is. Do I feel sorry for those forced by circumstance to be living there, Yes I do.

[MG CHRIS]

Stickyfinger said:

South West

The valleys are as fked as other such places up north etc, the whole area is a sink hole. It has bugger all infrastructure, will not have any as the cost to get up there is prohibitive/other areas are easy to get to. It looks terrible with really crap housing etc etc etc (the list is endless).
To many "poor" people live there for it to be a holiday center/area of interest.

Will it just keep rotting, sorry to say yes.

Welsh Assembly is it seems a joke and is led by a donkey....just ASK TATA

Is the above a sad state of affairs, well Yes it is. Do I feel sorry for those forced by circumstance to be living there, Yes I do.

The reason it has fk all infrastructure is neglect over decades by governments and the frankly useless parliament I agree jones is a muppet. But you cant simple leave an area to itself not everyone can go live in the south east. Many people like living in this area not all the valleys are a st hole there are some pretty nice area to live about the same standard as much of the rest of the country. Its affordable 3 bed houses are easy less than 100k with easy access to main city Cardiff.

Nobody is forced to live in the area I could move but ive built a good network of people in the area oh and theres only a few really rough areas around. Tbh I don't undserstand who you can come on here and tell business that they are stupid for being in this area and for the population that lives in this area.

You may think its a dump but it isn't the vast majority of it isn't but we do need investment which this will bring. Will it bring the numbers 6000 full time workers no but to build the facility will bring in jobs for the local people it will also help local business in the construction industry to build the track.
It seems in the uk we concentrate to much on the south east and not on the whole country and as for poor links not sure what the hell your talking about but I can be in London in 2.5hrs by train or by road so its not like we are a million miles away from anywhere.

[Stickyfinger]

Why are you arguing with me ?
I have not disagreed with you why the valleys are (mostly) dumps and why they will stay a dumps, I have just pointed out that being a dump has its consequences.

[spaximus]

I know the Valleys well and deal with many customers up their. It has some major problems that is for sure but it needs help to get back on it's feet. The area surrounding is beautiful but it has never recovered from the pits closing and it is true that external investment is not high, it has some good large employers in the area.
The big issue for me and this is not meant to offend, too many people are dwelling on the past and having a "victim" mentality instead of portraying the future as one of opportunities for people and business. Road wise it is much better than it was and if the circuit gets built it is the other elements that will make a return for investors.
When Rockingham was built people said it would close, it didn't. It might not have had the success it should have but it survives.
I think this will as it will allow other events as well as racing to be held and is far enough away from housing to not be a noise issue in an area that needs it. Look at what happens at the Eden Project, it is now a multi function site, in an area similarly blighted.
I look forward to going there and seeing the area more vibrant than it is now

[MG CHRIS]

spaximus said:

I know the Valleys well and deal with many customers up their. It has some major problems that is for sure but it needs help to get back on it's feet. The area surrounding is beautiful but it has never recovered from the pits closing and it is true that external investment is not high, it has some good large employers in the area.
The big issue for me and this is not meant to offend, too many people are dwelling on the past and having a "victim" mentality instead of portraying the future as one of opportunities for people and business. Road wise it is much better than it was and if the circuit gets built it is the other elements that will make a return for investors.
When Rockingham was built people said it would close, it didn't. It might not have had the success it should have but it survives.
I think this will as it will allow other events as well as racing to be held and is far enough away from housing to not be a noise issue in an area that needs it. Look at what happens at the Eden Project, it is now a multi function site, in an area similarly blighted.
I look forward to going there and seeing the area more vibrant than it is now

I agree with the victim mentalilty a lot of people of 30 year plus age group do still hold on to that fact but it is slowly changing my age group 20s are getting on with things and not blaming other on the failings in the area. I was sceptical of but as things go on seems like it has got some real bases to be built and the area its being built in has no wildlife at all apart from sheep that uses the land so no concerns on that front.

When the track is built I do hope they do a open day allow members on the public to run track sessions along with race team demonstrations etc get it kicked off to a good start. It be nice as well to not need to wake up so early to attend a track day.

[b0rk]

MG CHRIS said:

You do know there isn't much government cash going into this something like 30 million and considering what the welsh assembly spunk on cash on stupid st this is small change that could bring back growth into the area.

30 million is probably the actual cost of the track and a good percentage of the pit/paddock complex, WAG may as well be honest and call it a grant for enabling works. It would at least be better value than the WDA funded Gwent Business Park/Celtic Lakes fiasco of the 90's in terms of cost per job created.

Still don't understand how the "complex" needs a £300 million budget or £92m per mile this makes it more expensive per mile than HS2.

Anyway the bulk of the £300m+ budget will really be spent on the 200,000sqm of business park that comes with the scheme and will likely be built as tenants sign leases so could see construction dragged out over many years, business parks are the kind of things Aviva investors (and similar funds) specialise in.

The construction jobs will be transient and not "local" you do not simply find 3,000 unemployed people and ask them to build stuff, rather you appoint a main contractor who then lets it to specialists in form of packages e.g. super structures, drainage, groundworks, surfacing. The bidders (and winners) of the packages will use their own existing labour these may be local or may more likely come into the area from the wider South Wales and South West region. Construction projects rarely create jobs rather they maintain them by enabling the contractors to continue to employ existing staff/labour.

Permanent employment generated by the scheme will based on the planning use class consents be heavily weighted towards the unskilled end of the scale with most of the area down as use class B8 (warehousing/storage) and the remainder as B2 (general industrial). The retail and showroom spaces seem very speculative in terms of if franchised dealers would be interested in setting up in a location away from the regional population centres.

[Frimley111R]

Great that this is being built and from a local community aspect this is also good. Of course the area has challenges but so did many palces on the UK that have now been revived, this part of Wales could be revived too.

The only disappointment for me is that, IIRC, it was hailed as the 'UK Nurburgring' but its just another new track which is different but doesn't have anything special.

[ukaskew]

If this goes ahead I will have 3 circuits within 90 minutes of me despite living in the middle of nowhere in Wiltshire (Castle Combe is 30 mins, Thruxton is 45).

No complaints here as neither currently attract major series such as GT racing (Thruxton gets BTCC).

[spaximus]

Frimley111R said:

Great that this is being built and from a local community aspect this is also good. Of course the area has challenges but so did many palces on the UK that have now been revived, this part of Wales could be revived too.

The only disappointment for me is that, IIRC, it was hailed as the 'UK Nurburgring' but its just another new track which is different but doesn't have anything special.

It has a range of elevation changes which makes it a bit different from the airfield tracks, like Silverstone, but no way comparable with Nurburgring

[Sylvaforever]

Looking positive here, it's good to see a Motorsport venue being created.

How it pans out long term, well that's up to the managers.

[otolith]

I had the impression that it was meant for automotive R&D, not just motorsport? There is already a significant automotive industry in Wales.

[010101]

Stickyfinger said:

010101 said:

A leisure facility in Wales would be less expensive than HS2.
A sort of better the devil you know.

But less people would use it

Yes, but for normal everyday A-B kind of stuff, not 0-60 in 3 seconds and sideways G.

The human spirit defies quantification.
Central planners would have the whole place running in perfect harmony if people would just obey the results of their statistical analysis and policy projections.
Pesky serfs and their damned determination to have a mind of their own, ruining the country with their hopes and dreams of a life less ordinary. Damn them.

[ngdragon]

http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/14408010.Wel...

looks like that's it then. Useless WAG have apparently already wasted £9m on this. Suppose the end of TVR as well.

[andy97]

Why the end of TVR as well? That had nothing to do with the CofW, isn't it going to a site at RAF St Athan?