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PMR are in the wars this year because both of their drivers are a liability. Last year they have Newsham and Cook, how many big shunts then?
Not sure if it's just me but there's ALWAYS someone walking out with a Chevrolet bumper under their arm whenever I go to a meeting, and even the traders have an abundance of PMR broken bits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJgLTAtnY70
Can't even get around the Goodwood hill without crashing.
Not sure if it's just me but there's ALWAYS someone walking out with a Chevrolet bumper under their arm whenever I go to a meeting, and even the traders have an abundance of PMR broken bits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJgLTAtnY70
Can't even get around the Goodwood hill without crashing.
Janesy B said:
PMR are in the wars this year because both of their drivers are a liability. Last year they have Newsham and Cook, how many big shunts then?
Not sure if it's just me but there's ALWAYS someone walking out with a Chevrolet bumper under their arm whenever I go to a meeting, and even the traders have an abundance of PMR broken bits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJgLTAtnY70
Can't even get around the Goodwood hill without crashing.
Tbf to abbott he showing pace at times and did qualify well 7th I think but just always seems to be involved with accidents on the other fletcher is so far out of his depth.Not sure if it's just me but there's ALWAYS someone walking out with a Chevrolet bumper under their arm whenever I go to a meeting, and even the traders have an abundance of PMR broken bits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJgLTAtnY70
Can't even get around the Goodwood hill without crashing.
Janesy B said:
There's another vid on youtube which clearly shows Welch pushing Ollie off because he failed to see him on the outside throughout the whole corner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8pMQyF4rAc&t=...
Hmm, yes, I see your point. The Proton, on the inside, ahead of the Jackson car on the outside, should obviously have slowed down and allowed Jackson to overtake.
Jackson, now disadvantaged from his position of superiority from outside and behind, had no alternative than to turn right and collide with the Proton. Top driving, top tactics, clearly not to blame. If Jackson was so fast, why was he behind anyway?
andygo said:
Hmm, yes, I see your point.
The Proton, on the inside, ahead of the Jackson car on the outside, should obviously have slowed down and allowed Jackson to overtake.
Jackson, now disadvantaged from his position of superiority from outside and behind, had no alternative than to turn right and collide with the Proton. Top driving, top tactics, clearly not to blame. If Jackson was so fast, why was he behind anyway?
You can't say that on here, the brown nosers of the racing God that graces this topic will be offended! The Proton, on the inside, ahead of the Jackson car on the outside, should obviously have slowed down and allowed Jackson to overtake.
Jackson, now disadvantaged from his position of superiority from outside and behind, had no alternative than to turn right and collide with the Proton. Top driving, top tactics, clearly not to blame. If Jackson was so fast, why was he behind anyway?
shake n bake said:
You can't say that on here, the brown nosers of the racing God that graces this topic will be offended!
Exactly, it's similar to welch / austins fan pages at times on here, some people have blinkered vision because someone from the tv acknowledges them.As usual there are 3 sides to the story, Jacksons, welchs and the truth
FWIW said:
So at about 1.29 you can see that there is no way on this earth that Ollie Jackson was to blame in any way...................Muppets! andygo said:
Hmm, yes, I see your point.
The Proton, on the inside, ahead of the Jackson car on the outside, should obviously have slowed down and allowed Jackson to overtake.
Jackson, now disadvantaged from his position of superiority from outside and behind, had no alternative than to turn right and collide with the Proton. Top driving, top tactics, clearly not to blame. If Jackson was so fast, why was he behind anyway?
There is some bThe Proton, on the inside, ahead of the Jackson car on the outside, should obviously have slowed down and allowed Jackson to overtake.
Jackson, now disadvantaged from his position of superiority from outside and behind, had no alternative than to turn right and collide with the Proton. Top driving, top tactics, clearly not to blame. If Jackson was so fast, why was he behind anyway?
ks spouted on here, at 0.56 you can see the other car push its way inside the Red car, therefore pushing the Red car to the outside.or in your world maybe the Red car should have slowed down and let it past.
andygo said:
The Proton, on the inside, ahead of the Jackson car on the outside, should obviously have slowed down and allowed Jackson to overtake.
Don't push someone off the track and cry when it goes tits up? Of course Jackson could have backed off, I'm sure in hindsight he'd agree.Adrian W said:
FWIW said:
So at about 1.29 you can see that there is no way on this earth that Ollie Jackson was to blame in any way...................Muppets! acer12 said:
shake n bake said:
You can't say that on here, the brown nosers of the racing God that graces this topic will be offended!
Exactly, it's similar to welch / austins fan pages at times on here, some people have blinkered vision because someone from the tv acknowledges them.As I said above I'd love to see it from all the angles and seeing one of the YouTube vidoes shows Welch further forward on the track than I thought from the TV footage.
No disrespect to Wookie but I don't care whether he drives a racing car or a shopping trolley but I was interested in his opinion and on this occasion it tied up with what I saw on ITV.
All that said I agree whole-heartedly with this:
acer12 said:
As usual there are 3 sides to the story, Jacksons, welchs and the truth
andygo said:
Janesy B said:
There's another vid on youtube which clearly shows Welch pushing Ollie off because he failed to see him on the outside throughout the whole corner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8pMQyF4rAc&t=...
Hmm, yes, I see your point. The Proton, on the inside, ahead of the Jackson car on the outside, should obviously have slowed down and allowed Jackson to overtake.
Jackson, now disadvantaged from his position of superiority from outside and behind, had no alternative than to turn right and collide with the Proton. Top driving, top tactics, clearly not to blame. If Jackson was so fast, why was he behind anyway?
You are supposed to leave sufficient room for your competitors to race, plus it is entirely possible to overtake somebody without punting them off the circuit.
Welch could have moved over and still maintained position, without causing a massive accident and writing his own car off...
The AUDI was 4 wheels off, if that'd been me I'd have dropped in behind the proton and lived to fight another corner...
IMO the AUDI left the 'door open' and retaliated in an un profession and dangerous manner. This can't be good for the sport hence the punishment.
As one of my fellow competitors said many moons ago after we came together...........
We will never aggree on this one!!
IMO the AUDI left the 'door open' and retaliated in an un profession and dangerous manner. This can't be good for the sport hence the punishment.
As one of my fellow competitors said many moons ago after we came together...........
We will never aggree on this one!!
FWIW said:
Jesus that bloke dithering around in the blue jumper was an inch from being crushed/impaled!roddo said:
IMO the AUDI left the 'door open' and retaliated in an un profession and dangerous manner. This can't be good for the sport hence the punishment.
Those with longer memories will recall at the very same meeting last year that 'AUDI' could be replaced with 'Ginetta'Same driver - same modus operandi
Willhire89 said:
Those with longer memories will recall at the very same meeting last year that 'AUDI' could be replaced with 'Ginetta'
Same driver - same modus operandi
I've stated my position on last weekend but I'm not having that, I most certainly did not retaliate! In fact I was in the reverse position on the inside and was penalised for leaning against the car on the exit, even though I backed out of it before he ran out of track, basically exactly what I expected from the Proton. The other driver was penalised for retaliating against me by ramming me down the next straight and breaking my suspension. Same driver - same modus operandi
To say it was me that retaliated is an absolute, verifiable lie!
The Wookie said:
Willhire89 said:
Those with longer memories will recall at the very same meeting last year that 'AUDI' could be replaced with 'Ginetta'
Same driver - same modus operandi
I've stated my position on last weekend but I'm not having that, I most certainly did not retaliate! In fact I was in the reverse position on the inside and was penalised for leaning against the car on the exit, even though I backed out of it before he ran out of track, basically exactly what I expected from the Proton. The other driver was penalised for retaliating against me by ramming me down the next straight and breaking my suspension. Same driver - same modus operandi
To say it was me that retaliated is an absolute, verifiable lie!
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