Donnington 4th November
Discussion
The grid for both Britcar races was not what was advertised. I think James needs to relise that not everyone who shows intrest will turn up and race. I apologise for non starting in the night race but due to accident damage (down to me really!) and a broken manifold we could not get the car out for the second race.
In fact, with hindsight, the whole meeting was overly optimistic. A 40 minute practice then a 2 hour endurance followed by another 40 minute practice and a 2.5 hour race all within 10 hours on the same day is asking quite a lot really. Maybe it should just have been the night race or maybe it could have been spread over 2 days. Lets hope we all live and learn and lets hope 2007 is all is cracked up to be. I, for one, will be back.
James has been the focus of a lot of stick over the year and he has deserved most of it. However, it cannot be easy to organise the Series and I would like to thank him and all his team for their effort - without them racing would have been a little sparse this year.
Now, whens the party??
Richard.
In fact, with hindsight, the whole meeting was overly optimistic. A 40 minute practice then a 2 hour endurance followed by another 40 minute practice and a 2.5 hour race all within 10 hours on the same day is asking quite a lot really. Maybe it should just have been the night race or maybe it could have been spread over 2 days. Lets hope we all live and learn and lets hope 2007 is all is cracked up to be. I, for one, will be back.
James has been the focus of a lot of stick over the year and he has deserved most of it. However, it cannot be easy to organise the Series and I would like to thank him and all his team for their effort - without them racing would have been a little sparse this year.
Now, whens the party??
Richard.
935 said:
The grid for both Britcar races was not what was advertised. I think James needs to relise that not everyone who shows intrest will turn up and race.
This has happened an awful lot in Britcar over the years. If you make an enquiry you're automatically put down as an entry, which has led to some fabulous theoretical grids over the years but rarely translates into reality.
We were very disappointed to only have the Aston to race against in the night race - and you're quite right to suggest that perhaps there should have only been one race during the day, rather than two. One longer race, into the night, with a decent gap between qualifying and race, would have been ideal. There simply wasn't enough elasticity in the schedule to cope with the Porsche dumping its oil in night qualifying.
Incidentally, Richard, we met briefly on Thursday when I was peering under the back of your 935 and you asked if I'd spotted a leak. Nice car - and amazingly tiny in reality. The short wheelbase must make it quite a handful at times...
Steve @ Eclipse.
Edited by ahonen on Monday 6th November 11:30
935 said:
The grid for both Britcar races was not what was advertised. I think James needs to relise that not everyone who shows intrest will turn up and race. I apologise for non starting in the night race but due to accident damage (down to me really!) and a broken manifold we could not get the car out for the second race.
Hmm, saw the shunt, Richard, as we were watching at Goddards. The way you and Fluxie were hammering down the straight at several leptons, it was remarkable that you guys even managed to stop at all! Must have fabulous brakes on the Porsche (although obviously not quite as good as those on the Mosler
). I was impressed that you put your hands up and said 'my fault' though; nice to hear in this day and age. As I said before, I've often wondered where the EERC get their fanciful entry lists from. If it's just from saying 'I might do that race', then no wonder the programmes look like they do. Mind you, with 3 cars going round in the Britsports yesterday. I thought about grabbing a helmet and getting out there in my Elise! Would have probably got on the podium too!
In fact, I think our brakes are slightly better than the Moslers although the overall performance of both cars was remarkably similar. On the previous lap I was held up going onto the straight and Fluxie came past. On the next lap the tables were turned and I thought I would do the same to him! I got my front wheels level with his rear wheels but I could do no more! We were both braking as hard as possible and I knew it was going to end in tears as I was not far enough along side but I could not slow down any more either! Fluxie had to turn in and I had nowhere to go. I guess I should have been a little more patient but when presented with an opportunity its difficult not to take it!
I apologised to Kevin and Fluxie afterwards and I think they saw my side as well. Certainly there are no hard feelings on either side.
The good news for us is that mechanically the car ran well so we are hopeful of having solved the majority of the problems. We have a lot of work to do over the winter but I cant wait for next year!
Richard.
I apologised to Kevin and Fluxie afterwards and I think they saw my side as well. Certainly there are no hard feelings on either side.
The good news for us is that mechanically the car ran well so we are hopeful of having solved the majority of the problems. We have a lot of work to do over the winter but I cant wait for next year!
Richard.
Hi Everyone,
Very seldom do i have to comment on a race meeting as most, not all, have been great.
BRITCAR/PRODUCTION S1/BRITSPORTS have over the year been growing. When the drivers were asked if they wanted a night race at Donington they were all in agreement. 44 Cars had provisionally entered 2 weeks before,then gradually the numbers tailed off. At this stage we had 38 when we went to print for the programme (10 days prior)
Arriving at the circuit last Friday i was told by two people - 'We have Blown Up the engine in testing!!!!!.......the word testing sums up one of the problems. 6 more didn;t turn up!!!!
The Night Race we had about 24 entered with others saying ...'if the car survives the day race we will do the night as well'!!
The V8'S' it started with 19, then on the tuesday of the Race meeting we had 11 of the 12 that were left, had not paid...'NO MONEY NO RACE' BRITSPORTS, 'ALL BUT THE SAME'!!!!
I do not think it is possible to go racing after Mid October.
I would like to thank all of you for all of your support in 2006 and will look forward to seeing you at Brands Hatch in two weeks time and during the season for the new Championships in 2007
SPORTINGLY
JAMES TUCKER
Very seldom do i have to comment on a race meeting as most, not all, have been great.
BRITCAR/PRODUCTION S1/BRITSPORTS have over the year been growing. When the drivers were asked if they wanted a night race at Donington they were all in agreement. 44 Cars had provisionally entered 2 weeks before,then gradually the numbers tailed off. At this stage we had 38 when we went to print for the programme (10 days prior)
Arriving at the circuit last Friday i was told by two people - 'We have Blown Up the engine in testing!!!!!.......the word testing sums up one of the problems. 6 more didn;t turn up!!!!
The Night Race we had about 24 entered with others saying ...'if the car survives the day race we will do the night as well'!!
The V8'S' it started with 19, then on the tuesday of the Race meeting we had 11 of the 12 that were left, had not paid...'NO MONEY NO RACE' BRITSPORTS, 'ALL BUT THE SAME'!!!!
I do not think it is possible to go racing after Mid October.
I would like to thank all of you for all of your support in 2006 and will look forward to seeing you at Brands Hatch in two weeks time and during the season for the new Championships in 2007
SPORTINGLY
JAMES TUCKER
James,
I agree with your comment that racing (or organising) past mid-October is impossible in this sceptred isle of ours.
Perhaps the decision to can the 2007 V8 Supercars may be a little hasty.
I feel that the 'Challenge' would have gained much more weight had Mr Rouse got his car(s) out at one or more of the meetings, and like you muted this year, V8's need to be on their own billing, away from Britcar dates to give more of the sceptics/doom mongers a chance to run in both.
My season has been blighted with technical problems, which hopefully will be all resolved before next season starts to loom over the horizon, and I'm still as keen as ever to be part of a V8 Supercar series.
Other than flying between Oz and the UK, what happened to Adam Sharpe with his Falcon(s)?
This year was always going to be a formative year, and you are to be applauded for what you have achieved.
With regards to the "spare" track time on the 18th, have you decided what to do with it? Run an "open sports/saloons" race???
I won't be able to do it, as I'm now under the doctor for at least a week with a lung infection, and that means zero work on the car, especially in cold draughty damp workshops! - there, I won't keep you strung along with a hyperthetical entry....
Regards
Rob.
I agree with your comment that racing (or organising) past mid-October is impossible in this sceptred isle of ours.
Perhaps the decision to can the 2007 V8 Supercars may be a little hasty.
I feel that the 'Challenge' would have gained much more weight had Mr Rouse got his car(s) out at one or more of the meetings, and like you muted this year, V8's need to be on their own billing, away from Britcar dates to give more of the sceptics/doom mongers a chance to run in both.
My season has been blighted with technical problems, which hopefully will be all resolved before next season starts to loom over the horizon, and I'm still as keen as ever to be part of a V8 Supercar series.
Other than flying between Oz and the UK, what happened to Adam Sharpe with his Falcon(s)?
This year was always going to be a formative year, and you are to be applauded for what you have achieved.
With regards to the "spare" track time on the 18th, have you decided what to do with it? Run an "open sports/saloons" race???
I won't be able to do it, as I'm now under the doctor for at least a week with a lung infection, and that means zero work on the car, especially in cold draughty damp workshops! - there, I won't keep you strung along with a hyperthetical entry....
Regards
Rob.
James, just as easy to drop you a line here as you seem to be popping into PH. Being only a small (and new) team we have found the last two years that the 24 Hours is the pinnacle of our season - after which our resources, cars and team run out of steam!!
We intend changing this next year, but I think I may speak for others also when requesting as much notice as possible of the CONFIRMED Britcar calendar for next year. I cannot stress enough that we (small) teams need as much notice as possible as to circuits, dates and length of races. Any idea of when you may be able to release a confirmed calendar?
Jemco Racing have thoroughly enjoyed supporting you and Britcar these past two years and we look forward to the new championship next year - you'll see us there for sure.
Andy
Jemco Racing
jemco andy said:
James, I've caught up with Kevin - thanks for the info. Schedule looks fantastic!
Are we able to share in that information?
Graham - that must be last week's Autosport.... the subject we're discussing here too.
Hyperthetical question time....
IF there was a V8 Supercar series next year, run as per this year, say 4 or 5 meetings, but with no Winter Series, with 1 x 30min Qualifying, 2 x 30min races, and warm-up/free practice if time allows, WHO is willing to put their hands up and say "I'm in" rather than "errrr I think so"
I'll start the ball rolling... "I'M IN"
Rob.
Then we should seek them out, press the kings penny into their hand and lead them to the grid.... kicking and screaming if we must!
I agree Andy,
We ain't the problem.
I'm sure that had the next V8 race been in March, and not ffffffreezing November, James would have had a dozen or more real entries ahead of the meeting.
Here's an idea to kick off next season.
The series registration fee includes a full entry to the first round. Or 50% off the second one. Or lose it.
Maybe Dunlop could be convinced to throw a pair of free tyres at a competitor who enters and races in the first round.
More incentive.
When I entered the Formula Saloon Championship, we got a pair of free Dunlops if we raced in the series, which effectively offset our registration cost.
Then add some bonuses. The entry fee is £400, based on 15 on the grid. If the numbers reach 20, you can have a rebate, or discount off the next entry, maybe collect enough rebate to get one race F.O.C.????. If you can get 25 on the grid, you get more.... etc...
I'm just throwing ideas in the hat here, anyone else is welcome to try....
Rob.
I agree Andy,
We ain't the problem.
I'm sure that had the next V8 race been in March, and not ffffffreezing November, James would have had a dozen or more real entries ahead of the meeting.
Here's an idea to kick off next season.
The series registration fee includes a full entry to the first round. Or 50% off the second one. Or lose it.
Maybe Dunlop could be convinced to throw a pair of free tyres at a competitor who enters and races in the first round.
More incentive.
When I entered the Formula Saloon Championship, we got a pair of free Dunlops if we raced in the series, which effectively offset our registration cost.
Then add some bonuses. The entry fee is £400, based on 15 on the grid. If the numbers reach 20, you can have a rebate, or discount off the next entry, maybe collect enough rebate to get one race F.O.C.????. If you can get 25 on the grid, you get more.... etc...
I'm just throwing ideas in the hat here, anyone else is welcome to try....
Rob.
thunderbelmont said:
Then we should seek them out, press the kings penny into their hand and lead them to the grid.... kicking and screaming if we must!
I agree Andy,
We ain't the problem.
I'm sure that had the next V8 race been in March, and not ffffffreezing November, James would have had a dozen or more real entries ahead of the meeting.
Here's an idea to kick off next season.
The series registration fee includes a full entry to the first round. Or 50% off the second one. Or lose it.....
I agree Andy,
We ain't the problem.
I'm sure that had the next V8 race been in March, and not ffffffreezing November, James would have had a dozen or more real entries ahead of the meeting.
Here's an idea to kick off next season.
The series registration fee includes a full entry to the first round. Or 50% off the second one. Or lose it.....
Love the positive attitude Rob and it would be great to get the V8 Series up and running next year. Do we know from James who the other interested drivers were, other than those who already participate in Britcar? If so, we could perhaps start corresponding by e mail amongst this group to confirm what perople want and gather some momentum towards making it happen. Cheers,
Steve
P.S. - I'm one of the TVR drivers Andy is refering to about having committed to race at Donington etc...
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