Japanese GP

[deadslow]

andy355 said:

would have been interesting to see if schumi would have reverted to his banger car tactics if he had been carrying a lead into the last race.

[_Batty_]

just HOW many ads
poor old fisi, got to like the guy even though he's not on the same page as alonso.
so then a mixed weekend for mclaren, shame as that car LOOKS like a winner, obviously not quiet on the money though.
Spykers seemed relativly competetive, although this could be down to the lack of development @ Redbull.
am i right in saying they will be using Renualt and Ferrari engines next year could be good for comparison.

[simes205]

flemke said:

simes205 said:

Alonso annoys me with his ridiculous celebrations, I mean what the fcuk was that all about today?!

And Valentino Rossi's celebrations?

I like tyre burnouts and the spraying of the victory bubbly over the women!!

[D-Angle]

andy355 said:

would have been interesting to see if schumi would have reverted to his banger car tactics if he had been carrying a lead into the last race.

Headline after the Brazilian GP: "Massa loses control and crashes out of race with Alonso, Ferrari investigate 'mystery' of loss of traction."

Just kidding!

[flemke]

jacobyte said:

flemke said:

Alonso will be able to stroke it to 8th, rather than pushing for a win as MS did today.

What, and lose the opportunity not only to be on the top step to receive his Championship, but also to prevent MS standing on the top step at his last GP?

One may disapprove of Alonso's off-track demeanour of late, but it has to be said that the guy drives a very smart, disciplined race.

If it meant making it more likely that he'd retain the title, Alonso would let Scott Speed past (as painful a thought as that is! )

[ahonen]

simes205 said:

Alonso annoys me with his ridiculous celebrations, I mean what the fcuk was that all about today?!

That probably annoys you as much as Schumacher's standard leap in the air on every podium annoys me. That and the bit during the national anthem where MS points at an imaginary friend in the crowd. Every time. Grr.

Good to see Alonso getting a bit if luck for a change. I was very impressed with his performance this weekend - during the race he really drove well.

[VladD]

D-Angle said:

andy355 said:

would have been interesting to see if schumi would have reverted to his banger car tactics if he had been carrying a lead into the last race.

Headline after the Brazilian GP: "Massa loses control and crashes out of race with Alonso, Ferrari investigate 'mystery' of loss of traction."

Just kidding!

Nah, it will be "Schumi crashes out on first lap when the brakes appear to fail on the cars of Alonso, Barichello, Massa, Coulthard......"

[hut49]

Anyone seen odds against MSC winning in Brazil with Alonso failing to score? With MSC's determination to finish on a high, coupled with a Renault gremlin I think a 25 quid punt must be worth a try

[doobs]

flemke said:

(stuff and ... ) that one point that he was gifted at Hungary - a point that was so completely undeserved that it could only be "justified" when the FIA changed - a week after the race - their long-standing chicane-cutting rule, which change had the effect of permitting Schumacher's move even though at the time that he committed it it was still illegal.

This was the sort of nonsense that makes many of us (obviously including me) deplore Ferrari, Schumacher and especially the FIA.

A bit off-topic so apologies, but can I ask how the rule was changed?

I couldn't understand how he wasn't penalised for that unquestionable bit of rule breaking. I didn't know they had then changed the rules a week later (not that it makes any difference to when the offence occurred - he should still have been penalised - I would have made him wash all the cars in the car park ). There sould be a way the other teams can protest against the horrendous bias the FIA regularly display.

Edited by doobs on Monday 9th October 14:52

Edited by doobs on Monday 9th October 14:52

[ATG]

D-Angle said:

andy355 said:

would have been interesting to see if schumi would have reverted to his banger car tactics if he had been carrying a lead into the last race.

Headline after the Brazilian GP: "Massa loses control and crashes out of race with Alonso, Ferrari investigate 'mystery' of loss of traction."

Just kidding!

Ferrari unveils end of season special

[Pies]

Just thinking maybe Alonso might take MS off,now that would be good

[gtr-gaz]

Pies said:

Just thinking maybe Alonso might take MS off,now that would be good

That would be poetic justice, after all, is that not what MS did to Hill to win the championship one year?

[flemke]

doobs said:

flemke said:

(stuff and ... ) that one point that he was gifted at Hungary - a point that was so completely undeserved that it could only be "justified" when the FIA changed - a week after the race - their long-standing chicane-cutting rule, which change had the effect of permitting Schumacher's move even though at the time that he committed it it was still illegal.

This was the sort of nonsense that makes many of us (obviously including me) deplore Ferrari, Schumacher and especially the FIA.

A bit off-topic so apologies, but can I ask how the rule was changed?

I couldn't understand how he wasn't penalised for that unquestionable bit of rule breaking. I didn't know they had then changed the rules a week later (not that it makes any difference to when the offence occurred - he should still have been penalised - I would have made him wash all the cars in the car park ). There sould be a way the other teams can protest against the horrendous bias the FIA regularly display.

At the time of the offences at Hungary, they were allowed by the stewards.

At the next drivers' meeting, (I cannot recall whether it was for the Turkish GP or for a testing session) the FIA delegate informed the drivers that, henceforth, if a driver cut a chicane and maintained or improved his position by virtue of doing so - which until that point had been grounds for a penalty - but by doing so he avoided a potential collision with another car, then that move would be permitted.
On the surface this might seem reasonable, but actually if the other driver has the racing line - as de la Rosa and Heidfeld did at Hungary - and you try to overtake him or fight him off, by definition you are at risk of hitting him. Therefore, according to this new interpretation, you are entitled to cut the chicane whenever someone else has got the better of you.

At the time of the announcement of the new interpretation, there were comments by several of the drivers that they were amazed by the FIA's declaration, but that they would take full advantage of it in future.

Please note that this new interpretation was announced only after Schumie had been allowed - directly contrary to many years' precedents - to cut chicanes at Hungary and went unpenalised for doing so.


I wonder why some of us are cynical about the FIA/Ferrari relationship?;rolleyes:

[ferrisbueller]

flemke said:

doobs said:

flemke said:

(stuff and ... ) that one point that he was gifted at Hungary - a point that was so completely undeserved that it could only be "justified" when the FIA changed - a week after the race - their long-standing chicane-cutting rule, which change had the effect of permitting Schumacher's move even though at the time that he committed it it was still illegal.

This was the sort of nonsense that makes many of us (obviously including me) deplore Ferrari, Schumacher and especially the FIA.

A bit off-topic so apologies, but can I ask how the rule was changed?

I couldn't understand how he wasn't penalised for that unquestionable bit of rule breaking. I didn't know they had then changed the rules a week later (not that it makes any difference to when the offence occurred - he should still have been penalised - I would have made him wash all the cars in the car park ). There sould be a way the other teams can protest against the horrendous bias the FIA regularly display.

At the time of the offences at Hungary, they were allowed by the stewards.

At the next drivers' meeting, (I cannot recall whether it was for the Turkish GP or for a testing session) the FIA delegate informed the drivers that, henceforth, if a driver cut a chicane and maintained or improved his position by virtue of doing so - which until that point had been grounds for a penalty - but by doing so he avoided a potential collision with another car, then that move would be permitted.
On the surface this might seem reasonable, but actually if the other driver has the racing line - as de la Rosa and Heidfeld did at Hungary - and you try to overtake him or fight him off, by definition you are at risk of hitting him. Therefore, according to this new interpretation, you are entitled to cut the chicane whenever someone else has got the better of you.

At the time of the announcement of the new interpretation, there were comments by several of the drivers that they were amazed by the FIA's declaration, but that they would take full advantage of it in future.

Please note that this new interpretation was announced only after Schumie had been allowed - directly contrary to many years' precedents - to cut chicanes at Hungary and went unpenalised for doing so.


I wonder why some of us are cynical about the FIA/Ferrari relationship?;rolleyes:

Can I suggest the removal of the run off roads, or at least the fitment of car damaging, but non dangerous bollards. That'll fix it.

[Pies]

ferrisbueller said:

flemke said:

doobs said:

flemke said:

(stuff and ... ) that one point that he was gifted at Hungary - a point that was so completely undeserved that it could only be "justified" when the FIA changed - a week after the race - their long-standing chicane-cutting rule, which change had the effect of permitting Schumacher's move even though at the time that he committed it it was still illegal.

This was the sort of nonsense that makes many of us (obviously including me) deplore Ferrari, Schumacher and especially the FIA.

A bit off-topic so apologies, but can I ask how the rule was changed?

I couldn't understand how he wasn't penalised for that unquestionable bit of rule breaking. I didn't know they had then changed the rules a week later (not that it makes any difference to when the offence occurred - he should still have been penalised - I would have made him wash all the cars in the car park ). There sould be a way the other teams can protest against the horrendous bias the FIA regularly display.

At the time of the offences at Hungary, they were allowed by the stewards.

At the next drivers' meeting, (I cannot recall whether it was for the Turkish GP or for a testing session) the FIA delegate informed the drivers that, henceforth, if a driver cut a chicane and maintained or improved his position by virtue of doing so - which until that point had been grounds for a penalty - but by doing so he avoided a potential collision with another car, then that move would be permitted.
On the surface this might seem reasonable, but actually if the other driver has the racing line - as de la Rosa and Heidfeld did at Hungary - and you try to overtake him or fight him off, by definition you are at risk of hitting him. Therefore, according to this new interpretation, you are entitled to cut the chicane whenever someone else has got the better of you.

At the time of the announcement of the new interpretation, there were comments by several of the drivers that they were amazed by the FIA's declaration, but that they would take full advantage of it in future.

Please note that this new interpretation was announced only after Schumie had been allowed - directly contrary to many years' precedents - to cut chicanes at Hungary and went unpenalised for doing so.


I wonder why some of us are cynical about the FIA/Ferrari relationship?;rolleyes:

Can I suggest the removal of the run off roads, or at least the fitment of car damaging, but non dangerous bollards. That'll fix it.

Them spikes the BiB use to slow cars down will do nicely

[Nick_F]

Massa takes Alonso off, Schumacher wins.

That way MS retires from the top step with his fairytale 8th Championship, Alonso gets nothing to take to McLaren and Renault win the Manufacturers Championship so can still use F1 in their marketing next year.

It's showbusiness, not sport, remember.

[flemke]

Nick_F said:

Massa takes Alonso off, Schumacher wins.

That way MS retires from the top step with his fairytale 8th Championship, Alonso gets nothing to take to McLaren and Renault win the Manufacturers Championship so can still use F1 in their marketing next year.

It's showbusiness, not sport, remember.

Even Ferrari cannot be that low (although one must admit that they have exceeded themselves before!).

If that were to happen, one can hope only that the other 19 drivers would collectively work to take out Schumie too.

[fidgits]

flemke said:

Nick_F said:

Massa takes Alonso off, Schumacher wins.

That way MS retires from the top step with his fairytale 8th Championship, Alonso gets nothing to take to McLaren and Renault win the Manufacturers Championship so can still use F1 in their marketing next year.

It's showbusiness, not sport, remember.

Even Ferrari cannot be that low (although one must admit that they have exceeded themselves before!).

If that were to happen, one can hope only that the other 19 drivers would collectively work to take out Schumie too.

Coffee on keyboard monitor moment then...


Of course Ferrari would stoop that low, hell, Schumi's probably offered Massa a couple million Euro's to do it - i imagine he'd do anything to retire as champion...

[rustybin]

Nick_F said:

Massa takes Alonso off, Schumacher wins.

That way MS retires from the top step with his fairytale 8th Championship, Alonso gets nothing to take to McLaren and Renault win the Manufacturers Championship so can still use F1 in their marketing next year.

It's showbusiness, not sport, remember.

I would like to see it happen. Just to see how many people actually physically exploded in indignant rage. The prospect of one front running car taking out another is not after all that unlikely but were it to be those two I can't imagine there would be more than one or two people on the planet that would believe it was an accident.

[flemke]

fidgits said:

flemke said:

Nick_F said:

Massa takes Alonso off, Schumacher wins.

That way MS retires from the top step with his fairytale 8th Championship, Alonso gets nothing to take to McLaren and Renault win the Manufacturers Championship so can still use F1 in their marketing next year.

It's showbusiness, not sport, remember.

Even Ferrari cannot be that low (although one must admit that they have exceeded themselves before!).

If that were to happen, one can hope only that the other 19 drivers would collectively work to take out Schumie too.

Coffee on keyboard monitor moment then...


Of course Ferrari would stoop that low, hell, Schumi's probably offered Massa a couple million Euro's to do it - i imagine he'd do anything to retire as champion...

Well, Phil Hill did win his Championship in '61 because his Ferrari teammate purposefully took out Graham Hill, so I suppose there is a precedent...