Button !! 2007 F1 World champion ?

[egomeister]

For sure, Honda don't yet have the pedigree of Williams, but that can only come with time. I certainly don't think you can write them off due to not having a (recent) history as a constructor.

Williams were the class act of the 90's - they had the right staff, systems and resources for building a stunning F1 car in that era but they haven't made the transition to the new millennium too well. There have been to many silly errors such as the brake ducts in Canada (and I think somewhere else) a couple of years ago and more recently issues with tyres rubbing on rear wings. These are not signs of an organisation that is thinking and working as a unit.

Honda have had their setbacks but they in the ascendacy compared to Williams decline. I expect to see Honda clinching more race wins before Williams return to the top step. Williams can get back to the top but it'll take time and effort to get the team back to a state where they are competing with the top teams on all levels. As they say, past performance is not a guide to future performance. The sucess of an F1 team can go down as well as up and can't be guaranteed.

[baz1985]

Williams will be back one day. Finally got a title sponsor, and an impressive one too.

[D-Angle]

It's worth remebering that the Honda team today has evolved from the old Tyrell outfit, which was lower down the pecking order than Minardi when it was taken over. From there, in the space of 7 years, they have had a driver place 3rd in the drivers championship, and they have placed 2nd in the constructors championship. That's a heck of an achievement IMHO, and with that tracck record I wouldn't bet against them going further.

Williams will also do well, I don't think they will be a major challenger next year, but they will cause some surprises. They have used this year to consolidate, and should now have some more solid foundations to build on. They will bed all of that in next season, and after that, who knows...

[rubystone]

Stuttgartmetal, what planet are you on? Since when did Mansour Ojjeh contribute anything but hard dosh to any F1 team?...since Honda assumed control of BAR, the results have proven the point. All that bollox about Toyota "homologating their powerplant" - Honda are well ahead of them when it comes to power and relaiability. Toyota lack the heart and soul that Honda have.

BAR bought Tyrell's entry, nothing more. They squandered BAT's cash and did nothing with it. Honda bought into them and applied their technical knowhow - BAT finally got some results. FW fought hard for JB - why would he bother to do that if he thought JB was a lightweight? He still continues to respect JB.

I also believe that English is not your mother tongue and as such I accept that I may have misunderstood your comments - I find myself agreeing with some of your sentiments, but find issues with some of the substantive remarks you make

[jellison]

We need them all in the bloody same car - then we would know - never happen - but until it does it is all just so much pissing in the wind. Cars are just the tools to do the job - all need the same tools to start equal. Alsono started in a shitbox Minardi FCS.

[stuttgartmetal]

rubystone said:

Stuttgartmetal, what planet are you on? Since when did Mansour Ojjeh contribute anything but hard dosh to any F1 team?...since Honda assumed control of BAR, the results have proven the point. All that bollox about Toyota "homologating their powerplant" - Honda are well ahead of them when it comes to power and relaiability. Toyota lack the heart and soul that Honda have.

Planet Earth, Rubystone.
Do you imagine multimillionaires invest money, and have no input, they just lay it out ?
Does that sound sensible? Is that what you would do if you had the chance ?
Have you never seen Mansour Ojeh accept Trophies on the podium?
My point is that Jenson should have stayed and developed the Williams, and repayed them with some good old British loyalty.
How could anyone question Hondas improvement in form?
However, I think Honda treated FW very badly, and its interesting to see developments.
I agree Toyota don't seem to have the pedigree of Honda, and look rather sterile, but their powerplant looks tremendous, how can Toyota lose with a tie in to such a proven team.?

rubystone said:

BAR bought Tyrell's entry, nothing more. They squandered BAT's cash and did nothing with it. Honda bought into them and applied their technical knowhow - BAT finally got some results. FW fought hard for JB - why would he bother to do that if he thought JB was a lightweight? He still continues to respect JB.

Is that what happened ? Really ?
Didn't Mr Pollock blind BAT with an amazing powerpoint presentation, and therefore win control over the team over David Richards in a head to head ?. Didn't Mr Pollock tell all and sundry the car would win on its first outing, they subsequently never scored a single world championship point-losing millions in travel expense rebates ?
I'd put that down to BAT managements stupidity.
It lasted a while, until David usurped Pollock, and built a decent team.
Prodrive actually really are quite good'
I think Honda treated DR very shoddily also, he went in the blink of an eye.
Can you see a connection here ?
Do you wish to continue to support these chavs? per-lease.

rubystone said:

I also believe that English is not your mother tongue and as such I accept that I may have misunderstood your comments - I find myself agreeing with some of your sentiments, but find issues with some of the substantive remarks you make.

I think Ive been quite clear in my postings.
I'm not sure if your comment about my mother tongue was provocative or not, I'd like to think not.
I know every time Ive hit the submit reply button that the cat is firmly in with the pidgeons, however isn't this a forum for expressing views for good debate ?
Shouldn't we be adult, and not descend into mere insults? Shirley everyone should be allowed to express their opinion, otherwise why come here?

I don't like Honda, full stop.
A World Championship Team builds the car within a finely constructed matrix put in place by
the team principals. Intricate, delicate inviisible frameworks and cycles are directly proprtional to success. They don't just build a component.
I don't see it palatable comparing Honda with Williams, and I think JB's decision to double about turn was wrong, and was money motivated, Ill take it now, cos I can get it.
I don't think World Champions luck in, they have to be fast- super fast everywhere, you just don't luck-in to a world Championship, otherwise Irvine would have done it just after Schumi broke his leg.