Button !! 2007 F1 World champion ?
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Locoblade said:
johnfelstead said:
There are no T cars in 2007, only 2 cars per team, that can be used by upto 3 drivers during the weekend.
The 2 car limit is only for the Friday practice sessions, they still have a T car for the race weekend.
Rubens after qualifying on Saturday said:
Immediately before the session we had the problem with my race car so I had to switch to the spare car. That car wasn't set up for me, so in many ways it was like starting from the beginning again.
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OK, thanks for that, i misunderstood the rule change then.
How dumb is that rule, take 3 cars but can only use 2 for the test day, yet you can have 3 drivers during that test session. Bizarre.
rubystone said:
...a bloke in the Dog & Duck in Leafield told me that Super Aguri have a spiffing new aero package ready to go on the car but for some strange reason appear unable to bolt it on to their car at this precise moment....
seems like someone was earwigging our conversation
... www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=31220
Did anyone pick up on the in car radio a Bahrain, they were about to send Rubens out when they stopped him last second "Hang on mate, we've noticed a bit of a bump in the engine cover, we just need to change it"
How the fudge did that make it through QC, let alone fitted to a race car.
How the fudge did that make it through QC, let alone fitted to a race car.
Badly worded and over-egged it maybe but much of it is sadly very true.
If Buttons stock isn't going down then it for sure isn't rising. The media in the UK - who are the very people that made him initially - have a new darling. He has no loyalty, neither to team nor management.
In fact I don't think it has ever really been explained why Button ditched the Robertsons whose only failings I can see are bringing Button into F1 after an average F3 year and making him a multi millionaire. Oh how they must be laughing at him now...
Nick Fry his all at sea, Honda don't seem able or willing to grasp the nettle and so the whole sorry saga rolls on. This thread will be telling the same story in 2008 and beyond.
If Buttons stock isn't going down then it for sure isn't rising. The media in the UK - who are the very people that made him initially - have a new darling. He has no loyalty, neither to team nor management.
In fact I don't think it has ever really been explained why Button ditched the Robertsons whose only failings I can see are bringing Button into F1 after an average F3 year and making him a multi millionaire. Oh how they must be laughing at him now...
Nick Fry his all at sea, Honda don't seem able or willing to grasp the nettle and so the whole sorry saga rolls on. This thread will be telling the same story in 2008 and beyond.
2priestsferrari said:
Badly worded and over-egged it maybe but much of it is sadly very true.
Yes and no. It all very sensationalist, and I think they may be getting a bit over-excited at the prospect of a bit of the oh-so-popular Button-bashing. They make some fairly good points, but I think they're overstating the situation (in terms of Button's supposed plans to leave Honda) a bit.
2priestsferrari said:
If Buttons stock isn't going down then it for sure isn't rising. The media in the UK - who are the very people that made him initially - have a new darling.
In the mainstream media, yes. But I think anyone who knows anything about F1 can see that Button till has great potential - given the right car.
2priestsferrari said:
He has no loyalty, neither to team nor management.
Questionable, since he has stuck with Honda so far, and his management to this point has been pretty poor.
2priestsferrari said:
In fact I don't think it has ever really been explained why Button ditched the Robertsons whose only failings I can see are bringing Button into F1 after an average F3 year and making him a multi millionaire. Oh how they must be laughing at him now...
Hardly average, three wins and third overall in his first season and top rookie.
2priestsferrari said:
This thread will be telling the same story in 2008 and beyond.
We'll see... I guess it depends how well Honda's poaching of some decent technical staff goes.
2priestsferrari said:
Nick Fry is all at sea
"And the award for understatement of the year goes to.... 2priestsferrari!"
Sure Button can do a good job in a good car but then so can most drivers...take Hamilton..
You can't say his management to this point have been poor given Robertsons performance...what did they do wrong??
My comments re: F3 performance relate to many other drivers who haven't had half the worship of Button at the same stage of their careers. Antonio Pizzonia in 2000 won in his rookie year of F3. So against that back drop 3rd isn't so stellar is it?
You can't say his management to this point have been poor given Robertsons performance...what did they do wrong??
My comments re: F3 performance relate to many other drivers who haven't had half the worship of Button at the same stage of their careers. Antonio Pizzonia in 2000 won in his rookie year of F3. So against that back drop 3rd isn't so stellar is it?
2priestsferrari said:
Sure Button can do a good job in a good car but then so can most drivers...take Hamilton..
You can't say his management to this point have been poor given Robertsons performance...what did they do wrong??
My comments re: F3 performance relate to many other drivers who haven't had half the worship of Button at the same stage of their careers. Antonio Pizzonia in 2000 won in his rookie year of F3. So against that back drop 3rd isn't so stellar is it?
You can't say his management to this point have been poor given Robertsons performance...what did they do wrong??
My comments re: F3 performance relate to many other drivers who haven't had half the worship of Button at the same stage of their careers. Antonio Pizzonia in 2000 won in his rookie year of F3. So against that back drop 3rd isn't so stellar is it?
You're really getting boring now mate.
45 out of your 111 posts to date have been diatribe against Jenson Button or Honda or both, but mainly against Button.
Has he got a restraining order against you, or do you just fancy him from afar?
Edited by FNG on Monday 30th April 20:43
2priestsferrari said:
Sure Button can do a good job in a good car but then so can most drivers...take Hamilton..
Er... Fisi? Vile-nerve?
2priestsferrari said:
You can't say his management to this point have been poor given Robertsons performance...what did they do wrong??
'Over-entouraging', poor contractual decisions, lack of paying attention to clauses on contracts? You can't blame Button for all his bad fortune in that respect.
2priestsferrari said:
My comments re: F3 performance relate to many other drivers who haven't had half the worship of Button at the same stage of their careers. Antonio Pizzonia in 2000 won in his rookie year of F3. So against that back drop 3rd isn't so stellar is it?
Different years, different competition. And results in lower series don't always translate into results in F1. It's true in every sport - the transition between the junior and senior series is always harder on some more than others.
Sato in the Super Aguri 2nd quickest in day one of the Barcelona test, with new aero package on the car.
1. Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari-Ferrari 1min 21.195secs 98 laps
2. Takuma Sato Super Aguri-Honda 1min 21.858secs 99 laps
3. Pedro de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes 1min 21.906secs 101 laps
4. Ralf Schumacher Toyota-Toyota 1min 21.983secs 92 laps
5. Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1min 22.114secs 74 laps
6. Rubens Barrichello Honda-Honda 1min 22.655secs 132 laps
7. Nelson Piquet Jr Renault-Renault 1min 22.763secs 125 laps
8. Vitantonio Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1min 22.771secs 56 laps
9. David Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 1min 22.973secs 47 laps
10. Adrian Valles Spyker-Ferrari 1min 23.699secs 44 laps
11. Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1min 24.248secs 43 laps
12. Giedo van der Garde Spyker-Ferrari 1min 24.997secs 37 laps
1. Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari-Ferrari 1min 21.195secs 98 laps
2. Takuma Sato Super Aguri-Honda 1min 21.858secs 99 laps
3. Pedro de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes 1min 21.906secs 101 laps
4. Ralf Schumacher Toyota-Toyota 1min 21.983secs 92 laps
5. Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1min 22.114secs 74 laps
6. Rubens Barrichello Honda-Honda 1min 22.655secs 132 laps
7. Nelson Piquet Jr Renault-Renault 1min 22.763secs 125 laps
8. Vitantonio Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1min 22.771secs 56 laps
9. David Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 1min 22.973secs 47 laps
10. Adrian Valles Spyker-Ferrari 1min 23.699secs 44 laps
11. Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1min 24.248secs 43 laps
12. Giedo van der Garde Spyker-Ferrari 1min 24.997secs 37 laps
FNG said:
2priestsferrari said:
Sure Button can do a good job in a good car but then so can most drivers...take Hamilton..
You can't say his management to this point have been poor given Robertsons performance...what did they do wrong??
My comments re: F3 performance relate to many other drivers who haven't had half the worship of Button at the same stage of their careers. Antonio Pizzonia in 2000 won in his rookie year of F3. So against that back drop 3rd isn't so stellar is it?
You can't say his management to this point have been poor given Robertsons performance...what did they do wrong??
My comments re: F3 performance relate to many other drivers who haven't had half the worship of Button at the same stage of their careers. Antonio Pizzonia in 2000 won in his rookie year of F3. So against that back drop 3rd isn't so stellar is it?
You're really getting boring now mate.
45 out of your 111 posts to date have been diatribe against Jenson Button or Honda or both, but mainly against Button.
Has he got a restraining order against you, or do you just fancy him from afar?
Edited by FNG on Monday 30th April 20:43
How is saying Button can do a good job negative towards the bloke? The fact you counted the number of Button/Honda posts says more about you than me...
Maybe the point has been overstated but funny how in recent weeks more mainstream journos are starting to ask the same questions of Button that are on here months ago...
You keep sticking the head in the sand and believe it will all turn out in the end..If I'm Rubens then you're Nick Fry! Another few weeks and we will see another Honda/Button disaster, another heap of excuses, only this time it will come on the back of these so called developments..
Bit OTT dont you think 'toops ?
The Honda has been well dissected on this thread, virtually every areas been looked at.
Its obvious to me that their are profound problems within the team that need to be addressed. Its far more important for them to solve these initially, before the car gets sorted, believe it or not. Any changes made now are a waste of time, as the management and design structure problems within the team need to be solved, before Honda can move on.
Of course write Jensons season off, and thats really what he should primarily do.
Spend the season enduring the steep learning curve, enjoy his racing and concentrate on improving his car developing skills.
The Honda has been well dissected on this thread, virtually every areas been looked at.
Its obvious to me that their are profound problems within the team that need to be addressed. Its far more important for them to solve these initially, before the car gets sorted, believe it or not. Any changes made now are a waste of time, as the management and design structure problems within the team need to be solved, before Honda can move on.
Of course write Jensons season off, and thats really what he should primarily do.
Spend the season enduring the steep learning curve, enjoy his racing and concentrate on improving his car developing skills.
Stutgart they are really in the shit, the Honda F1 car is a total piece of shit. Front geometry, roll stiffness and rear end all up the creak. They have focused totally on aero and ignored everything else.
Fair enough JB hasn't got the equipment to win in '07 but he should be beating his team mate at the least and IMO if he really wants to be "World Champion" then he needs to push the team to give him a winning car. No more excuses and frankly some people should never be able to work in F1 again with this shambles.
Fair enough JB hasn't got the equipment to win in '07 but he should be beating his team mate at the least and IMO if he really wants to be "World Champion" then he needs to push the team to give him a winning car. No more excuses and frankly some people should never be able to work in F1 again with this shambles.
2priestsferrari said:
funny how in recent weeks more mainstream journos are starting to ask the same questions of Button that are on here months ago...
Who are these guys? Forget the likes of Stan Piecha...I'm not aware of anyone making noises about Button - in fact, in the specialist press, the general consensus is that Button and Barrichello are driving the wheels off the thing to keep it in front of anyone.
Agree with what you say but then motorsport journalism in the specialist press is always very positive towards the people.
Drivers and team managers come and go but you have probably never read anything totally negative towards anyone who is still within the sport - why - because then the journalist finds working in that field very hard..
Take Autosport as an example. The Honda F1 car is very obviously a terrible piece of work, Button (whilst I agree is made to look worse than his ability) has failed to better his team mate in the first 3 races and as team leader should be playing his part in driving things forward.
Yet all Autosport can give the reader is PR from Honda, Button and the management...Where is the actual journalism in that? Its just copying whatever comes via the fax/email.
Now given these supposed updates to the Honda for the next race lets see how they fare. But surely if the thing is still a crock of shit and Button is still beaten by his team mate then questions should be asked.
Can you imagine any other sport where the media would let such failure pass?
Drivers and team managers come and go but you have probably never read anything totally negative towards anyone who is still within the sport - why - because then the journalist finds working in that field very hard..
Take Autosport as an example. The Honda F1 car is very obviously a terrible piece of work, Button (whilst I agree is made to look worse than his ability) has failed to better his team mate in the first 3 races and as team leader should be playing his part in driving things forward.
Yet all Autosport can give the reader is PR from Honda, Button and the management...Where is the actual journalism in that? Its just copying whatever comes via the fax/email.
Now given these supposed updates to the Honda for the next race lets see how they fare. But surely if the thing is still a crock of shit and Button is still beaten by his team mate then questions should be asked.
Can you imagine any other sport where the media would let such failure pass?
2priestsferrari said:
Take Autosport as an example. The Honda F1 car is very obviously a terrible piece of work, Button (whilst I agree is made to look worse than his ability) has failed to better his team mate in the first 3 races and as team leader should be playing his part in driving things forward.
Yet all Autosport can give the reader is PR from Honda, Button and the management...Where is the actual journalism in that? Its just copying whatever comes via the fax/email.
Yet all Autosport can give the reader is PR from Honda, Button and the management...Where is the actual journalism in that? Its just copying whatever comes via the fax/email.
If you're not a journo, I suggest you reserve judgement on the journalistic abilities of Autosport. Reporting on F1 is a lot harder than it seems.
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