Licensing backlog??
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I'm in exactly the same situation.
Apparently there is a batch of the new photo license cards which they have had a problem with. I managed to speak to someone last week who promised to send out a 1 month temporary license but surprise surprise, that hasn't arrived either.
They have debited my bank account though. Cheeky monkeys.
Apparently there is a batch of the new photo license cards which they have had a problem with. I managed to speak to someone last week who promised to send out a 1 month temporary license but surprise surprise, that hasn't arrived either.
They have debited my bank account though. Cheeky monkeys.
Eric Mc said:
I didn't bother reapplying this year. I had huge probelms getting my licence processed last year (mainly due to the fact that I am an Irish passport holder) that I just didn't feel like having another fight with them this year.
i must admit i dont see why there is such a problem with holding a licence with more than one asn to race in that country, especially when your only talking national level anway..
although when i was looking to do a couple of races in the states, the scca were fine and said they'd give me a licence no problem. the uk MSA would probably have had me hung drawn and quartered though if they'd found out though
Holding a licence in another country is against an FIA rule, which the MSA have to adhere to - so can't blame them for that. Maybe the SCCA don't have to do so.
They have had technical problems with the new type of licences but are now sending out temporary ones in the meantime. That's always a problem when introducing new IT systems...they always have glitches. Who here hasn't had technical/IT problems in their business?!
They have had technical problems with the new type of licences but are now sending out temporary ones in the meantime. That's always a problem when introducing new IT systems...they always have glitches. Who here hasn't had technical/IT problems in their business?!
Edited by touring fan on Friday 2nd March 15:25
The stupid thing is that I've lived in the UK 21 years and I have NEVER held any sort of motorsport licence apart from the MSA one - which I first held in 2000.
To satisfy the MSA requirements I had to write to Motorsport Ireland (the Irish equivalent to the MSA) and tell them to tell the MSA that I have never been disqualified from holding an Irish motorsport licence.
Of course, Motorsport Ireland have never heard of me and no nothing about me. The only people who hold my complete motorsport licencing career on file is the MSA themselves.
They really are a bureaucratic nightmare.
To satisfy the MSA requirements I had to write to Motorsport Ireland (the Irish equivalent to the MSA) and tell them to tell the MSA that I have never been disqualified from holding an Irish motorsport licence.
Of course, Motorsport Ireland have never heard of me and no nothing about me. The only people who hold my complete motorsport licencing career on file is the MSA themselves.
They really are a bureaucratic nightmare.
thunderbelmont said:
I sent my renewal off in January, thinking that there would be a rush pre-xmas, and hey, it's March, and no licence.
Can't get through on the licensing helpline - always engaged.
Rob.
Can't get through on the licensing helpline - always engaged.
Rob.
Same problem here. Had my acknowledgement on the 25th January saying I would have my licence in 15 working days. Still nothing
Eric Mc said:
The stupid thing is that I've lived in the UK 21 years and I have NEVER held any sort of motorsport licence apart from the MSA one - which I first held in 2000.
To satisfy the MSA requirements I had to write to Motorsport Ireland (the Irish equivalent to the MSA) and tell them to tell the MSA that I have never been disqualified from holding an Irish motorsport licence.
Of course, Motorsport Ireland have never heard of me and no nothing about me. The only people who hold my complete motorsport licencing career on file is the MSA themselves.
They really are a bureaucratic nightmare.
To satisfy the MSA requirements I had to write to Motorsport Ireland (the Irish equivalent to the MSA) and tell them to tell the MSA that I have never been disqualified from holding an Irish motorsport licence.
Of course, Motorsport Ireland have never heard of me and no nothing about me. The only people who hold my complete motorsport licencing career on file is the MSA themselves.
They really are a bureaucratic nightmare.
Like I said, it's FIA rules not the MSA's fault. They can only give a national licence to a driver according to their passport nationality - unless the governing body in that country states that they have no objection to the MSA issuing them one.
Can you imagine what would happen if that rule didn't exist? People would get all sorts of different licences from around the world and not be able to be penalised because they are racing on another country's national licence! (International licences are different).
By the way - why don't you just get a licence with Motorsport Ireland, if you are Irish?
Edited by touring fan on Friday 2nd March 17:01
Edited by touring fan on Friday 2nd March 17:03
Edited by touring fan on Friday 2nd March 17:04
touring fan said:
Like I said, it's FIA rules not the MSA's fault. They can only give a national licence to a driver according to their passport nationality - unless the governing body in that country states that they have no objection to the MSA issuing them one.
Can you imagine what would happen if that rule didn't exist? People would get all sorts of different licences from around the world and not be able to be penalised because they are racing on another country's national licence! (International licences are different).
No you couldnt because you can only race in the country that the licence was issued in.
for example with my national A i cant enter a national B or national A race in france organised by the french msa.
as i understand it to race in a french race i need an international licence, and even then i can only race there if the race is an international race. I still couldnt enter a french national race.
there is some obscure ruling about being classed a proffesional and competing in national races but i think that was forced on them by EU restriction of trade rules...
spectatorsam said:
some of our lads have had temporary licences faxed to them.
if you have the means
suggest this to them to avoid dissapointment, ( still not had mine yet though!!)
if you have the means
suggest this to them to avoid dissapointment, ( still not had mine yet though!!)
Trouble is you have to be able to get through to them ..... onthe phone first...
I understood the actual problem was the production of the new photo cards thats sub contracted out ...
G
Touring fan - I haven't lived in Ireland for 21 years. I wasn't competing in motorsport activities back then so I never applied for an Irish competition licence - ever. I doubt I will ever compete in a competitive sporting event in Ireland - ever. I am a permanent UK resident. I have a UK National Insurance number and tax number.
I've looked into the technicalities of becominhg a UK citizen and passport holder but the instructions issued by the Home Office are so complex and obtuse that I gave up after about Page 11 (God knows how non English speaking applicants manage to become British citizens).
The FIA rule is aimed at mainstream competitors competing in major series. I only wanted to compete in local sprints. It just wasn't worth the effort anymore.
I've looked into the technicalities of becominhg a UK citizen and passport holder but the instructions issued by the Home Office are so complex and obtuse that I gave up after about Page 11 (God knows how non English speaking applicants manage to become British citizens).
The FIA rule is aimed at mainstream competitors competing in major series. I only wanted to compete in local sprints. It just wasn't worth the effort anymore.
Edited by Eric Mc on Saturday 3rd March 16:30
Eric Mc said:
Touring fan - I haven't lived in Ireland for 21 years. I wasn't competing in motorsport activities back then so I never applied for an Irish competition licence - ever. I doubt I will ever compete in a competitive sporting event in Ireland - ever. I am a permanent UK resident. I have a UK National Insurance number and tax number.
I've looked into the technicalities of becominhg a UK citizen and passport holder but the instructions issued by the Home Office are so complex and obtuse that I gave up after about Page 11 (God knows how non English speaking applicants manage to become British citizens).
The FIA rule is aimed at mainstream competitors competing in major series. I only wanted to compete in local sprints. It just wasn't worth the effort anymore.
I've looked into the technicalities of becominhg a UK citizen and passport holder but the instructions issued by the Home Office are so complex and obtuse that I gave up after about Page 11 (God knows how non English speaking applicants manage to become British citizens).
The FIA rule is aimed at mainstream competitors competing in major series. I only wanted to compete in local sprints. It just wasn't worth the effort anymore.
Edited by Eric Mc on Saturday 3rd March 16:30
There is an agreement between Motorsport Ireland and the UK that allows each licence to be used in each country. So you can have a Motorsport Ireland licence and use it over here (without ever having to compete in Ireland).
Be fair... it's hardly the MSA's problem if you are not a UK citizen - they simply can't give a UK national licence to a non-UK citizen.
Edited by touring fan on Sunday 4th March 13:19
924racer said:
i was sent an email saying my new licence would arrive in two weeks....
no sign of it yet though
(a month later)
no sign of it yet though
(a month later)EeeeeeeK!
I feel like sticking a pencil up each nostril, a pair y-fronts on my head, and uttering "wibble"
I'll start to panic at the end of this month, no, I WILL panic at the end of this month as I'm doing rookie training at Rockingham easter weekend.
It's nice to see that Alan Gow's operation of the helm is steering us towards either a bloody great iceberg, or the sargasso sea (we sink and all die, or we find the doldrums and sod all happens for ages!)
Like Tony the Tiger said.. Grrrrrreat! (not)
touring fan - the DVLA have no such qualms.
Why is the passport the "controlling feature" of their licencing? Proof of residency - as required by mortgage companies, banks, HM Revenue and Customs, the police, and virtually every other institution in the country seems to be suuficient for much more important legal and financial situations than furthering a hobby.
Up to a point I can understand this when considering serious competitors. But at a fairly low, non-racing, amateur level I do think it is rather over the top.
As I understand it, the main reason they do require this in case I had coimitted infringements and been banned from competing in Ireland. This was clarified with the MSA when I first applied on 2000 and for the next four years that initial confirmation was deemed sufficient. What has happened is that they chave changed the rules so that I would now have to verify the position about "Non-Infringement of an Irish Licenec I have never held" EVERY year I reapply for the MSA licence.
And, not having lived in Ireland for such a long time, the authorities over there, including Motorsport Ireland (who I have NEVER dealt with at ANY level) do not really know who I am any more. All the important security, and personal record details surrounding me are here in the UK - and have been for two decades.
Why is the passport the "controlling feature" of their licencing? Proof of residency - as required by mortgage companies, banks, HM Revenue and Customs, the police, and virtually every other institution in the country seems to be suuficient for much more important legal and financial situations than furthering a hobby.
Up to a point I can understand this when considering serious competitors. But at a fairly low, non-racing, amateur level I do think it is rather over the top.
As I understand it, the main reason they do require this in case I had coimitted infringements and been banned from competing in Ireland. This was clarified with the MSA when I first applied on 2000 and for the next four years that initial confirmation was deemed sufficient. What has happened is that they chave changed the rules so that I would now have to verify the position about "Non-Infringement of an Irish Licenec I have never held" EVERY year I reapply for the MSA licence.
And, not having lived in Ireland for such a long time, the authorities over there, including Motorsport Ireland (who I have NEVER dealt with at ANY level) do not really know who I am any more. All the important security, and personal record details surrounding me are here in the UK - and have been for two decades.
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