Licensing backlog??
Discussion
Eric Mc said:
touring fan - the DVLA have no such qualms.
Why is the passport the "controlling feature" of their licencing? Proof of residency - as required by mortgage companies, banks, HM Revenue and Customs, the police, and virtually every other institution in the country seems to be suuficient for much more important legal and financial situations than furthering a hobby.
Up to a point I can understand this when considering serious competitors. But at a fairly low, non-racing, amateur level I do think it is rather over the top.
As I understand it, the main reason they do require this in case I had coimitted infringements and been banned from competing in Ireland. This was clarified with the MSA when I first applied on 2000 and for the next four years that initial confirmation was deemed sufficient. What has happened is that they chave changed the rules so that I would now have to verify the position about "Non-Infringement of an Irish Licenec I have never held" EVERY year I reapply for the MSA licence.
And, not having lived in Ireland for such a long time, the authorities over there, including Motorsport Ireland (who I have NEVER dealt with at ANY level) do not really know who I am any more. All the important security, and personal record details surrounding me are here in the UK - and have been for two decades.
Why is the passport the "controlling feature" of their licencing? Proof of residency - as required by mortgage companies, banks, HM Revenue and Customs, the police, and virtually every other institution in the country seems to be suuficient for much more important legal and financial situations than furthering a hobby.
Up to a point I can understand this when considering serious competitors. But at a fairly low, non-racing, amateur level I do think it is rather over the top.
As I understand it, the main reason they do require this in case I had coimitted infringements and been banned from competing in Ireland. This was clarified with the MSA when I first applied on 2000 and for the next four years that initial confirmation was deemed sufficient. What has happened is that they chave changed the rules so that I would now have to verify the position about "Non-Infringement of an Irish Licenec I have never held" EVERY year I reapply for the MSA licence.
And, not having lived in Ireland for such a long time, the authorities over there, including Motorsport Ireland (who I have NEVER dealt with at ANY level) do not really know who I am any more. All the important security, and personal record details surrounding me are here in the UK - and have been for two decades.
With respect you seem to have forgotten what was mentioned earlier - it's not a unique MSA rule. It is an FIA rule that the MSA has to comply with.
Your beef isn't with the MSA, it's with the FIA.
Both actually.
It was explained to me last year that it was indeedthe FIA who were pushing the stringent enforcement of this regulation. However, when I spoke to the girl at Motorsport Ireland she laughed saying it was a totally stupid rule and one they were having lots of problems with.
It seems to me that this year the MSA have not been able to cope with the added administration burden this rule causes as it means that they have to contact EVERY motorsport agency in the world whenever one of a non-UK national requires a UK licence - even at very basic levels of involvement. If the check was required every five years or so it wouldn't be so bad but every year is just too much.
Anyway, i cannot ever recall an FIA ruling that ever did motor sport any benefit.
It was explained to me last year that it was indeedthe FIA who were pushing the stringent enforcement of this regulation. However, when I spoke to the girl at Motorsport Ireland she laughed saying it was a totally stupid rule and one they were having lots of problems with.
It seems to me that this year the MSA have not been able to cope with the added administration burden this rule causes as it means that they have to contact EVERY motorsport agency in the world whenever one of a non-UK national requires a UK licence - even at very basic levels of involvement. If the check was required every five years or so it wouldn't be so bad but every year is just too much.
Anyway, i cannot ever recall an FIA ruling that ever did motor sport any benefit.
Only just realised this forum existed having been pointed to it by Mr Kiltie from the Scotland one!! Opps!!
What drove me to add my pennorth is the fact that clubs applying late for permits are financially penalised - can't remember if it's a fine or a higher fee - yet the MSA treat competitors like a money raising machine and we can do nowt about it!!
What drove me to add my pennorth is the fact that clubs applying late for permits are financially penalised - can't remember if it's a fine or a higher fee - yet the MSA treat competitors like a money raising machine and we can do nowt about it!!
And mine! I had a temporary last week, and now the proper one!
Perhaps if they hadn't gone for the hologram, and had a mag-strip, or smart card, making signing on an electronic affair, then they could have used bespoke off the shelf equipment, and we would have all had our licences a long long time ago..
Upgrading could be much easier then - as the data would be held on your licence file, and once you're eligable, a quick phonecall, a credit/debit card payment, and you get your new one.
Perhaps if they hadn't gone for the hologram, and had a mag-strip, or smart card, making signing on an electronic affair, then they could have used bespoke off the shelf equipment, and we would have all had our licences a long long time ago..
Upgrading could be much easier then - as the data would be held on your licence file, and once you're eligable, a quick phonecall, a credit/debit card payment, and you get your new one.
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