Australian V8 Supercars
Discussion
More like the V8 Snorecars...
I find them incredibly dull to watch. The lack of variety is frustrating and the way the rules are written prevents any other manufacturers entering.
It is targetted at yer V8 owning bogan aussie who thinks his falcoon or dunnydoor is just like the race car when nothing could befurther from the truth.
I find them incredibly dull to watch. The lack of variety is frustrating and the way the rules are written prevents any other manufacturers entering.
It is targetted at yer V8 owning bogan aussie who thinks his falcoon or dunnydoor is just like the race car when nothing could befurther from the truth.
deviant said:
More like the V8 Snorecars...
I find them incredibly dull to watch. The lack of variety is frustrating and the way the rules are written prevents any other manufacturers entering.
It is targetted at yer V8 owning bogan aussie who thinks his falcoon or dunnydoor is just like the race car when nothing could befurther from the truth.
I find them incredibly dull to watch. The lack of variety is frustrating and the way the rules are written prevents any other manufacturers entering.
It is targetted at yer V8 owning bogan aussie who thinks his falcoon or dunnydoor is just like the race car when nothing could befurther from the truth.
I tihnk only having two manufacturers is a great idea plus all the teams may have either the commodore or the falcon, but the engineering beneath isall different.
If you think V8's are boring, then what sport do you find interesting?
deviant said:
More like the V8 Snorecars...
I find them incredibly dull to watch. The lack of variety is frustrating and the way the rules are written prevents any other manufacturers entering.
It is targetted at yer V8 owning bogan aussie who thinks his falcoon or dunnydoor is just like the race car when nothing could befurther from the truth.
I find them incredibly dull to watch. The lack of variety is frustrating and the way the rules are written prevents any other manufacturers entering.
It is targetted at yer V8 owning bogan aussie who thinks his falcoon or dunnydoor is just like the race car when nothing could befurther from the truth.
Garbage deviant. Its designed to give close racing. The following for the sport is incidental. If it was only bogs who followed the V8s and "normal people" wanted something different, how come the 2.0l SuperTourer series died in the arse? How many domestic series from Countrys with such a small population have races in markets like China and the Middle East?
V8 Supercars still has the essence of "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday". It feeds and markets for FPV and HSV (bought new mainly by young/middle aged, well heeled, self-made business men) and it provides some of the best racing in the world. You may not know it but the British motorsport fraternity actually holds the V8 Supercar series in quite high regard.
The fact your local yobs dont understand the engineering underneath the shell is not the sport's fault and the same thing happens here, young blokes do their cars up like BTCC cars and emulate their heroes.
If another manufacturer wanted to join the fight and use the series as a marketing tool, all it has to do is produce a car in the right platform.
308mate said:
deviant said:
More like the V8 Snorecars...
I find them incredibly dull to watch. The lack of variety is frustrating and the way the rules are written prevents any other manufacturers entering.
It is targetted at yer V8 owning bogan aussie who thinks his falcoon or dunnydoor is just like the race car when nothing could befurther from the truth.
I find them incredibly dull to watch. The lack of variety is frustrating and the way the rules are written prevents any other manufacturers entering.
It is targetted at yer V8 owning bogan aussie who thinks his falcoon or dunnydoor is just like the race car when nothing could befurther from the truth.
Garbage deviant. Its designed to give close racing. The following for the sport is incidental. If it was only bogs who followed the V8s and "normal people" wanted something different, how come the 2.0l SuperTourer series died in the arse? How many domestic series from Countrys with such a small population have races in markets like China and the Middle East?
V8 Supercars still has the essence of "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday". It feeds and markets for FPV and HSV (bought new mainly by young/middle aged, well heeled, self-made business men) and it provides some of the best racing in the world. You may not know it but the British motorsport fraternity actually holds the V8 Supercar series in quite high regard.
The fact your local yobs dont understand the engineering underneath the shell is not the sport's fault and the same thing happens here, young blokes do their cars up like BTCC cars and emulate their heroes.
If another manufacturer wanted to join the fight and use the series as a marketing tool, all it has to do is produce a car in the right platform.
hmm, have to disagree with you PB. The V8 series is designed for MASS market appeal, and that does mean luring the bogans from the football. Most real enthusiasts I know much preferred super tourers, or the old BTCC.
I doubt if either Ford, Holden OR AVESCO would allow another manufacturer in, even with a suitable car. Anyway, neither the Falcon or Commodore have anything in common with the road cars, except the basic shape.
Everyone I talk to says the same thing; identical cars following each other very closely does not make good racing. That is why the old BTCC was so great; different cars with different strengths and weaknesses, and PASSING on the track!
ianthebruce said:
I tihnk only having two manufacturers is a great idea plus all the teams may have either the commodore or the falcon, but the engineering beneath isall different...
Not sure what you mean? The only difference between the cars is the colour. EVERYTHING is controlled and identical.
FourWheelDrift said:
I wonder if a ex-V8 Supercar would be eligible for Britcar or one of the Belgian/Dutch Supercar Challenges? Edited by FourWheelDrift on Friday 16th March 15:06
Good point. Is there a series for older touring cars? Or is Brit car such a series? There were VL Commodores (or were they VKs?) that Brock raced at Spa under Group A rules (as per the Egenberger Sierras et al racing at Bathurst in '87). Surely they would be fine for any series that still recognises those? Would make a great project if won euro millions.
FourWheelDrift said:
It's like Nascar but raced on proper circuits with an spectator emphasis on racing not crashing 
I wonder if a ex-V8 Supercar would be eligible for Britcar or one of the Belgian/Dutch Supercar Challenges?
I wonder if a ex-V8 Supercar would be eligible for Britcar or one of the Belgian/Dutch Supercar Challenges? Edited by FourWheelDrift on Friday 16th March 15:06
There were two Falcons, of different vintages/years/models, at last years Britcar 24 Hours.
madazrx7 said:
308mate said:
deviant said:
More like the V8 Snorecars...
I find them incredibly dull to watch. The lack of variety is frustrating and the way the rules are written prevents any other manufacturers entering.
It is targetted at yer V8 owning bogan aussie who thinks his falcoon or dunnydoor is just like the race car when nothing could befurther from the truth.
I find them incredibly dull to watch. The lack of variety is frustrating and the way the rules are written prevents any other manufacturers entering.
It is targetted at yer V8 owning bogan aussie who thinks his falcoon or dunnydoor is just like the race car when nothing could befurther from the truth.
Garbage deviant. Its designed to give close racing. The following for the sport is incidental. If it was only bogs who followed the V8s and "normal people" wanted something different, how come the 2.0l SuperTourer series died in the arse? How many domestic series from Countrys with such a small population have races in markets like China and the Middle East?
V8 Supercars still has the essence of "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday". It feeds and markets for FPV and HSV (bought new mainly by young/middle aged, well heeled, self-made business men) and it provides some of the best racing in the world. You may not know it but the British motorsport fraternity actually holds the V8 Supercar series in quite high regard.
The fact your local yobs dont understand the engineering underneath the shell is not the sport's fault and the same thing happens here, young blokes do their cars up like BTCC cars and emulate their heroes.
If another manufacturer wanted to join the fight and use the series as a marketing tool, all it has to do is produce a car in the right platform.
hmm, have to disagree with you PB. The V8 series is designed for MASS market appeal, and that does mean luring the bogans from the football. Most real enthusiasts I know much preferred super tourers, or the old BTCC.
I doubt if either Ford, Holden OR AVESCO would allow another manufacturer in, even with a suitable car. Anyway, neither the Falcon or Commodore have anything in common with the road cars, except the basic shape.
Everyone I talk to says the same thing; identical cars following each other very closely does not make good racing. That is why the old BTCC was so great; different cars with different strengths and weaknesses, and PASSING on the track!
Yeah, I agree, its for mass market appeal, but you cant blame the sport for the people who take interest in it.
I think it depends on your definition of real enthusiasts as well. Perth has a big sub-culture of PitStop bookshop loving, "we're off to Goodwood this year", ex-pat enthusiasts who may not be mad on the V8s (and I can count some of them as my friends), but your average Australian bred car-nut will be into his V8s. Whether he is a company director with an HSV Grange or a tyre fitter for beaurepairs with a hotted up Gemini.
You may be right though, even if AVESCO were ok with letting other FRWD cars into the series, Ford and Holden may close ranks. Im sure they wont want a repeat of the Godzilla days for instance, but if they stuck to the platform?? Toyota swing a pretty large bat in Australia afterall...Id like to think its a possibility.
For my money, V8 racing isnt too processional for me enjoy it. I'd like to be excited by the BTCC but I find the rules frustrating. Add ballast to the winners OR start them from the back, but both is just a bit too contrived. Its like banger racing sometimes.
FourWheelDrift said:
kjr said:
There were two Falcons, of different vintages/years/models, at last years Britcar 24 Hours.
Just checked, looks like a Falcon AU. (2001'ish vintage)
And what looks like an older Falcon run by RML
Nice.
Edited by FourWheelDrift on Friday 16th March 20:42
Thats an AU ('98-'02) in the first and the model previous to it in the second which is an EL ('96-'98).
Sadly for Ford, they were both piles of dung compared to what Holden, Toyota and even mitsubishi had to offer at the same times. It was especially unfortunate in the case of the AU because it was supposed to be the car that put big Ford sedans back in serious contention while Holden cleaned up with the Commodore and non Holden buyers started to take up Magnas and even Camrys instead of Falcons.
The EL ended up as the fleet/company car of the late 90s in a bid to lift sales but all that did was send residuals through the floor and damage the image even more. The prestige model Fairlane devalued by 60% of its purchase price in the first 2 years during this time, making it one of the worst on the Australian market for resale.
The WA Police force had a number of AU Falcons to go along with their VT commodores. They quickly had to stop using the Falcons in pursuits because during hard cornering, the body flexed so much that sometimes the rear windscreen would shatter.
308mate said:
Thats an AU ('98-'02) in the first and the model previous to it in the second which is an EL ('96-'98).
Sadly for Ford, they were both piles of dung compared to what Holden, Toyota and even mitsubishi had to offer at the same times. It was especially unfortunate in the case of the AU because it was supposed to be the car that put big Ford sedans back in serious contention while Holden cleaned up with the Commodore and non Holden buyers started to take up Magnas and even Camrys instead of Falcons.
The EL ended up as the fleet/company car of the late 90s in a bid to lift sales but all that did was send residuals through the floor and damage the image even more. The prestige model Fairlane devalued by 60% of its purchase price in the first 2 years during this time, making it one of the worst on the Australian market for resale.
The WA Police force had a number of AU Falcons to go along with their VT commodores. They quickly had to stop using the Falcons in pursuits because during hard cornering, the body flexed so much that sometimes the rear windscreen would shatter.
Sadly for Ford, they were both piles of dung compared to what Holden, Toyota and even mitsubishi had to offer at the same times. It was especially unfortunate in the case of the AU because it was supposed to be the car that put big Ford sedans back in serious contention while Holden cleaned up with the Commodore and non Holden buyers started to take up Magnas and even Camrys instead of Falcons.
The EL ended up as the fleet/company car of the late 90s in a bid to lift sales but all that did was send residuals through the floor and damage the image even more. The prestige model Fairlane devalued by 60% of its purchase price in the first 2 years during this time, making it one of the worst on the Australian market for resale.
The WA Police force had a number of AU Falcons to go along with their VT commodores. They quickly had to stop using the Falcons in pursuits because during hard cornering, the body flexed so much that sometimes the rear windscreen would shatter.
The AU Falcon, besides being a horrible looking car in it's own right, also had to compete against the new shape VT Commodore, which most considered to be the best looking Commodore yet. The Falcon didn't stand a chance...
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