Is this the end for Lewis?

[Scuffers]

Chassis 33 said:

If what Ron Dennis said about turning the wick down on Lewis' car to preserve the engine for the race in Germany, it shows what a strong position Lewis is in for the Championship, not the the bubble has burst.

Food for thought...if Kimi were to win every one of the 8 remaining races and Lewis to come second, Lewis would with the Championship by 2 points. (By my calculations, someone please check the working! 8 races, 18point gap, 2pts clawed back per race, 16 points total, Lewis has 2points in hand.). The point being that Lewis doesn't have to win, only score points consistently, which lets admit he seems to be bloody good at.

Regards
Iain

Actually, that's a good point.... not great from our (viewers) perspective, but a very sound stratergy....

[sunnydelight]

Have to ask really why so many Hamilton haters out there? Weren’t you proud of the fact that there was a British driver on the podium at Silverstone, its been a long time since that has happened

[JonRB]

Chassis 33 said:

Food for thought...if Kimi were to win every one of the 8 remaining races and Lewis to come second, Lewis would with the Championship by 2 points. (By my calculations, someone please check the working! 8 races, 18point gap, 2pts clawed back per race, 16 points total, Lewis has 2points in hand.). The point being that Lewis doesn't have to win, only score points consistently, which lets admit he seems to be bloody good at.

Which just goes to show that the points rules now favour consistency (even mediocrity?) and reliability over winning. There isn't the reward to overcome the risk of a balls-out bid for a win that once there was.

(This comment isn't aimed at any driver, BTW)

[ewenm]

JonRB said:

Chassis 33 said:

Food for thought...if Kimi were to win every one of the 8 remaining races and Lewis to come second, Lewis would with the Championship by 2 points. (By my calculations, someone please check the working! 8 races, 18point gap, 2pts clawed back per race, 16 points total, Lewis has 2points in hand.). The point being that Lewis doesn't have to win, only score points consistently, which lets admit he seems to be bloody good at.

Which just goes to show that the points rules now favour consistency (even mediocrity?) and reliability over winning. There isn't the reward to overcome the risk of a balls-out bid for a win that once there was.

(This comment isn't aimed at any driver, BTW)

I'd class mediocrity as where Button finds himslef at the moment, so mid-field. I think the points system as it is works well. The best team over the season will usually triumph. A team that only performs for half the season will not.

As a modification you could give the winner a set number of points and the next few places get points based on how far behind the winner they were, so a bigger time gap means fewer points for second place than being right on the gearbox of the winner. Could produce some interesting team tactics.

[Marki]

Or the starting grid determined by the previous race finish results

[Chassis 33]

Marki said:

Or the starting grid determined by the previous race finish results

Or the reverse thereof?

Regards
Iain

[german tony]

sunnydelight said:

Have to ask really why so many Hamilton haters out there? Weren’t you proud of the fact that there was a British driver on the podium at Silverstone, its been a long time since that has happened

I was proud. I suspect MOST other Brits were too. Sadly all the Brits in Scotland are never to happy to see a man from the South of the island do well & neither are their cousins in Wales.

As for the rest of the world's English speakers (as a mother tongue) they just love it when it goes wrong for England/Britain.

As do all of out European neighbours, everybody we've ever won a war against, all those whose countries were part of our empire without us having enough manners to ask if they wanted to be part of it or not & people whose countries have been subjected to adverse publicity in James Bond films.

[Fidgits]

Chassis 33 said:

Marki said:

Or the starting grid determined by the previous race finish results

Or the reverse thereof?

Regards
Iain

that'd be great - except for everyone from 9 downwards would pretty much stop on the last few laps to try and be as high for the next race!!!

(perhaps a DNF previso puts you at the back of the grid)

[Chassis 33]

The first retirement starts behind the previous winner, second retirement behind him etc etc.
It's never going to happen, but would be bloody interesting to see who can actually race and who hasn't the balls to pass.
Regards
Iain

[rubystone]

I personally don't like success ballast or reversed grids - I think it puts even more obstacles in the way of good racing. What I do think is a no-brainer is to offer a point for pole and one for fastest lap.

[sunnydelight]

german tony said:

sunnydelight said:

Have to ask really why so many Hamilton haters out there? Weren’t you proud of the fact that there was a British driver on the podium at Silverstone, its been a long time since that has happened

I was proud. I suspect MOST other Brits were too. Sadly all the Brits in Scotland are never to happy to see a man from the South of the island do well & neither are their cousins in Wales.

As for the rest of the world's English speakers (as a mother tongue) they just love it when it goes wrong for England/Britain.

As do all of out European neighbours, everybody we've ever won a war against, all those whose countries were part of our empire without us having enough manners to ask if they wanted to be part of it or not & people whose countries have been subjected to adverse publicity in James Bond films.

Sad but kind of true I suspect, unless it football! Which I hate by the way

[fozzi]

rubystone said:

I personally don't like success ballast or reversed grids - I think it puts even more obstacles in the way of good racing. What I do think is a no-brainer is to offer a point for pole and one for fastest lap.

If we go down that route then they should also consider extra points for most on-track passes for position and/or most places gained during the race (excluding out of position cars starting from the back of the grid or the pitlane).

[stephen300o]

Fidgits said:

lets see...

A podium in every single Formula 1 race, in his Debut season.

2 wins.

leading the world championship at the half way point...


I'm not into the Hysteria surrounding him - but I think he's got a pretty significant career ahead of him...

As there are only really two teams in the championship, and his in the one with one hundred percent reliability, fourth is as bad as it can get, finish ahead of one of the other three, oh look another podium, not going to be as easy now Alonso is up to speed and Ferrari have repaired their tunnel.

[Marki]

Chassis 33 said:

The first retirement starts behind the previous winner, second retirement behind him etc etc.
It's never going to happen, but would be bloody interesting to see who can actually race and who hasn't the balls to pass.
Regards
Iain

Thats why Massa was the star for me on Sunday

[Apache]

german tony said:

Sadly all the Brits in Scotland are never to happy to see a man from the South of the island do well & neither are their cousins in Wales.

Not all of them Tony, not all of them

[Jon Ison]

loneranger said:

For two successive GPs now he has lost grid position during the race.
French GP he lost one place. British GP he lost 2 places and was overtaken by his team mate.

Is this good enough for a driver in one of the very best cars on the grid?

What ? Do you make headlins up for the sun ?

[mattrm]

I can't quite make up my mind if this is taking the piss or being serious. It does sound like the sorta thing you'd expect to see in the papers. "OMG Lewis came 3rd! Why didn't he win!" Waaaaa. I really hope the OP is taking the mick.

[jbudgie]

Went into work today and a guy there says to me 'that new british lad didn't do too well did he?'

WTF --(dont blame the guy at work he is not into motor racing) but just shows how the media projects the wrong idea to the general public.

[skinny]

Chassis 33 said:

If what Ron Dennis said about turning the wick down on Lewis' car to preserve the engine for the race in Germany, it shows what a strong position Lewis is in for the Championship, not the the bubble has burst.

Regards
Iain

i definitely wouldn't give too much thought to that particular comment... he was struggling from fairly early on. i'm guessing they didn't turn the engine down after lap 10...

[anonymous-user]

He was struggling with getting a good balance all weekend, and he/the team made a mistake in the setup change at the first pitstop, taking off front wing when he wanted more. That was game over from then on, so he cruised the rest of the race.

It was good to see Lewis on stage at the post race concert, top bloke.

Edited by johnfelstead on Tuesday 10th July 00:15