Discussion
So much to discuss :
996GT3 / 997 GT3: I find myself (unusually) agreeing with 2priests, if the classes are based on power to weight which they should be (and are) then if it falls into the slot a 997GT3 cup car should be in the cup class (as a 996 GT3 cup car is). It`s quicker than a 996GT3 cup car but possibly not some of the BMW`s, Marcos`, Ferraris etc in the
The 996 / 997 GT3 RSR etc are the cars for GT3 class. A 20hp difference is nothing compared to the difference currently enjoyed by some of the cars out there at the moment. In power / weight difference I think there are some cars enjoying an advantage that is getting on for 100hp (a bit of weight saving combined with a bit more power). Certainly I don`t think we have fine tuned things down to the point where we are squabbling over the last 20hp !
Let`s not get caught up in the minutiae of technical regs, all I want to see is a simple class structure. Minimum weight for the car with driver sitting inside as it finishes the race (can be measured in seconds). Maximum power to weight ratio in kg/bhp with cars power tested (if need be cars taken away for power testing at the end of a meeting). Outside that is`s down to you to tinker, tweak, stick on bits of plywood and all the other things that make Britcar fun for teams.
Team think-tanks: A good idea and I think many of the championships mentioned by Steve consider input from outside sources. Either that or they are run by people or by people with access to people, who are extremely well versed in the technical aspects of motorsport. Potentially it may also help James have the confidence to enforce things knowing he has the support of people in the paddock. For instance: A couple of years ago I was sitting in a hotel in Barcelona when he called me to say Britcar wasn`t going to power test cars for fear of being sued if a car blew up on the dyno. What a load of old rubbish, obviously a team who didn`t want to have their cars tested had but the willies up him. A think tank of teams would have confirmed that every championship you enter reserves the right to ask you for a dyno run & if the car goes pop it`s your problem. If James has the support from half a dozen or so teams then it`s a brave man who suggests things are wrong. If it`s one man`s "vision" we may not have quite the same respect for things.
Henry
996GT3 / 997 GT3: I find myself (unusually) agreeing with 2priests, if the classes are based on power to weight which they should be (and are) then if it falls into the slot a 997GT3 cup car should be in the cup class (as a 996 GT3 cup car is). It`s quicker than a 996GT3 cup car but possibly not some of the BMW`s, Marcos`, Ferraris etc in the
The 996 / 997 GT3 RSR etc are the cars for GT3 class. A 20hp difference is nothing compared to the difference currently enjoyed by some of the cars out there at the moment. In power / weight difference I think there are some cars enjoying an advantage that is getting on for 100hp (a bit of weight saving combined with a bit more power). Certainly I don`t think we have fine tuned things down to the point where we are squabbling over the last 20hp !
Let`s not get caught up in the minutiae of technical regs, all I want to see is a simple class structure. Minimum weight for the car with driver sitting inside as it finishes the race (can be measured in seconds). Maximum power to weight ratio in kg/bhp with cars power tested (if need be cars taken away for power testing at the end of a meeting). Outside that is`s down to you to tinker, tweak, stick on bits of plywood and all the other things that make Britcar fun for teams.
Team think-tanks: A good idea and I think many of the championships mentioned by Steve consider input from outside sources. Either that or they are run by people or by people with access to people, who are extremely well versed in the technical aspects of motorsport. Potentially it may also help James have the confidence to enforce things knowing he has the support of people in the paddock. For instance: A couple of years ago I was sitting in a hotel in Barcelona when he called me to say Britcar wasn`t going to power test cars for fear of being sued if a car blew up on the dyno. What a load of old rubbish, obviously a team who didn`t want to have their cars tested had but the willies up him. A think tank of teams would have confirmed that every championship you enter reserves the right to ask you for a dyno run & if the car goes pop it`s your problem. If James has the support from half a dozen or so teams then it`s a brave man who suggests things are wrong. If it`s one man`s "vision" we may not have quite the same respect for things.
Henry
Henry-F said:
If James has the support from half a dozen or so teams then it`s a brave man who suggests things are wrong. If it`s one man`s "vision" we may not have quite the same respect for things.
Henry
What gets me is that we have an EERC announcement on their website simply saying 2008 class structure, GT3, GT4, class 1, class2 a/b; but absolutely no detail as to what that means. So it could have said new classes being Elephant, Tiger, Cat and Mouse yellow/red.Henry
How can anyone plan around that??
I don't really know why we should be worrying about news such as these class re-names, it doesn't appear to me to be a way of excluding anyone, what's in a name as they say !! I'm sure all of us that want to race will be able to do so and in a class that suits the car we run, there again, perhaps I'm just being too laid back about it !!
The questions one should ask, and in my case the answers I would give are as follows;
Q. Is Britcar your preferred series to run in?
A. YES
Q. Is it exciting, friendly and basically fair to most?
A. YES
Q. Is it cost effective and value for money?
A. YES
Q. Has it got draconian rules and regs that keep you on the edge of your seat until you are sitting on the grid and even then, make you worried that if you pass wind you may be excluded?
A. NO
Q. Do you race because it is a passion and you love the sport?
A. YES
Q. Would you prefer to be intimately involved in the day to day running of the series, keeping everyone happy, dealing with the politics, the complaints, the moaning and whinging about this and that and effectively make it your full time job?
A. NO !!!! I'll let James and his crew do that and if I don't like what he does or the way he runs the series then I'll vote with my feet.
Simple really, Yes, I would like the opportunity to mention a few positive things if a driver/team meeting was arranged but only if it was genuinely accepted as being a good way of communicating ideas that would be properly considered as I'm not a great one for platitudes and lip service.
Just my humble opinion.
The questions one should ask, and in my case the answers I would give are as follows;
Q. Is Britcar your preferred series to run in?
A. YES
Q. Is it exciting, friendly and basically fair to most?
A. YES
Q. Is it cost effective and value for money?
A. YES
Q. Has it got draconian rules and regs that keep you on the edge of your seat until you are sitting on the grid and even then, make you worried that if you pass wind you may be excluded?
A. NO
Q. Do you race because it is a passion and you love the sport?
A. YES
Q. Would you prefer to be intimately involved in the day to day running of the series, keeping everyone happy, dealing with the politics, the complaints, the moaning and whinging about this and that and effectively make it your full time job?
A. NO !!!! I'll let James and his crew do that and if I don't like what he does or the way he runs the series then I'll vote with my feet.
Simple really, Yes, I would like the opportunity to mention a few positive things if a driver/team meeting was arranged but only if it was genuinely accepted as being a good way of communicating ideas that would be properly considered as I'm not a great one for platitudes and lip service.
Just my humble opinion.
Q1. Do you want to race against cars in the same class (or even the class below!) who have a significant speed advantage over you.
A. No
Q2. Do you want to race amongst a group of different cars which are controlled by a basic set of common, easy to understand rules that are policed for the good of all.
A. Yes
Q3.Do you think Britcar currently offers Q2.
A No
Q4. Do you want to race with a bunch of guys & guyettes that you can have a bit of fun with off the track, share some banter, nick the odd bit of kit off them when you`re in the shit and have a bite to eat with when you`re on the ferry going to Spa
A. Yes
Q5. Does Britcar currently offer Q4
A. Yes, most definately
I can not see why any competitor would shy away for increased policing unless they were currently cheating. It will give you closer racing and bring your costs down. There is a potential problem where competitors are frightened that they will play by the rules, the rules are not enforced properly (I think we all agree this is the current status) and they are then disadvantaged because others gambled on a lack of policing (and won).
At the moment everyone works away to find a bit of a power advantage and push the envelope a bit. Everyone else does the same so in effect the classes slowly creep upwards (remember Belcar). At the moment I think most of the class 3 cars (called class 1?) are about on a par with my 996 GT3 cup car, a class 2 (or GT3 Cup car).
My car weighs 1200kg empty ex driver and produces 380bhp at the flywheel on a fresh engine.
Just suppose a car in the next class down weighed 1100kg dry it would need to produce 348bhp at the flywheel to match mine.
Take off, say 40bhp to allow for drivechain if you want to use power at the wheels figures (much easier to measure on a dyno as well).
Obviously I am not privvy to other team`s information but you all know the truth in terms of exactly how your cars run.
Britcar is so nearly there, it`s got a great feel amongst it`s competitors, it just needs to sort out the missing link for world domination !
Henry
A. No
Q2. Do you want to race amongst a group of different cars which are controlled by a basic set of common, easy to understand rules that are policed for the good of all.
A. Yes
Q3.Do you think Britcar currently offers Q2.
A No
Q4. Do you want to race with a bunch of guys & guyettes that you can have a bit of fun with off the track, share some banter, nick the odd bit of kit off them when you`re in the shit and have a bite to eat with when you`re on the ferry going to Spa
A. Yes
Q5. Does Britcar currently offer Q4
A. Yes, most definately
I can not see why any competitor would shy away for increased policing unless they were currently cheating. It will give you closer racing and bring your costs down. There is a potential problem where competitors are frightened that they will play by the rules, the rules are not enforced properly (I think we all agree this is the current status) and they are then disadvantaged because others gambled on a lack of policing (and won).
At the moment everyone works away to find a bit of a power advantage and push the envelope a bit. Everyone else does the same so in effect the classes slowly creep upwards (remember Belcar). At the moment I think most of the class 3 cars (called class 1?) are about on a par with my 996 GT3 cup car, a class 2 (or GT3 Cup car).
My car weighs 1200kg empty ex driver and produces 380bhp at the flywheel on a fresh engine.
Just suppose a car in the next class down weighed 1100kg dry it would need to produce 348bhp at the flywheel to match mine.
Take off, say 40bhp to allow for drivechain if you want to use power at the wheels figures (much easier to measure on a dyno as well).
Obviously I am not privvy to other team`s information but you all know the truth in terms of exactly how your cars run.
Britcar is so nearly there, it`s got a great feel amongst it`s competitors, it just needs to sort out the missing link for world domination !
Henry
Henry, I agree with you. Britcar is so close but it misses by the very important point of policing - or lack of it!!!
I can't understand why people are frightened of policing the rules. Surely we are all in it to win it and its hardly fair when other teams are not playing by the book.
For the record, our car ran 510 to 520 flywheel horsepower and weighs 1200 kgs less driver. This puts is squarely in the top class and I dont have any arguements about that. Indeed, our data logger was extensively interrogated (because we asked it to be) and as we know the CdA (its been in a wind tunnel) the tech scruts were able to give it a clean bill of health. So, why don't other teams want to be open? We "bent" the rules (OK cheated) in that we have two air cooling ducts for the front brakes (the rules say only one - I can't fathom why as it is hardly a cost saving rule!) and I honestly think that's it.
Any championship that wants to thrive must have enforced rules - like it or not. If we dont want rules then lets come out and admit it. I would quite like a real free for all as it would allow us to really develop the car!
As for the people and the friendship Henry is absolutely correct. I for one would not do a championship if the paddock was full of long faced grey people - we race for fun and the atmosphere is as important as the racing.
Come on James. I know you read this forum so you are sooooooo nearly there, just go the last mile; get a person who understands the technicalities and enforce YOUR regulations. Then you will have a championship that will be the envy of the other organisers!
Here is to 2008.
Richard.
I can't understand why people are frightened of policing the rules. Surely we are all in it to win it and its hardly fair when other teams are not playing by the book.
For the record, our car ran 510 to 520 flywheel horsepower and weighs 1200 kgs less driver. This puts is squarely in the top class and I dont have any arguements about that. Indeed, our data logger was extensively interrogated (because we asked it to be) and as we know the CdA (its been in a wind tunnel) the tech scruts were able to give it a clean bill of health. So, why don't other teams want to be open? We "bent" the rules (OK cheated) in that we have two air cooling ducts for the front brakes (the rules say only one - I can't fathom why as it is hardly a cost saving rule!) and I honestly think that's it.
Any championship that wants to thrive must have enforced rules - like it or not. If we dont want rules then lets come out and admit it. I would quite like a real free for all as it would allow us to really develop the car!
As for the people and the friendship Henry is absolutely correct. I for one would not do a championship if the paddock was full of long faced grey people - we race for fun and the atmosphere is as important as the racing.
Come on James. I know you read this forum so you are sooooooo nearly there, just go the last mile; get a person who understands the technicalities and enforce YOUR regulations. Then you will have a championship that will be the envy of the other organisers!
Here is to 2008.
Richard.
Henry-F said:
Q1. Do you want to race against cars in the same class (or even the class below!) who have a significant speed advantage over you.
A. No
Q2. Do you want to race amongst a group of different cars which are controlled by a basic set of common, easy to understand rules that are policed for the good of all.
A. Yes
Q3.Do you think Britcar currently offers Q2.
A No
Q4. Do you want to race with a bunch of guys & guyettes that you can have a bit of fun with off the track, share some banter, nick the odd bit of kit off them when you`re in the shit and have a bite to eat with when you`re on the ferry going to Spa
A. Yes
Q5. Does Britcar currently offer Q4
A. Yes, most definately
I can not see why any competitor would shy away for increased policing unless they were currently cheating. It will give you closer racing and bring your costs down. There is a potential problem where competitors are frightened that they will play by the rules, the rules are not enforced properly (I think we all agree this is the current status) and they are then disadvantaged because others gambled on a lack of policing (and won).
At the moment everyone works away to find a bit of a power advantage and push the envelope a bit. Everyone else does the same so in effect the classes slowly creep upwards (remember Belcar). At the moment I think most of the class 3 cars (called class 1?) are about on a par with my 996 GT3 cup car, a class 2 (or GT3 Cup car).
My car weighs 1200kg empty ex driver and produces 380bhp at the flywheel on a fresh engine.
Just suppose a car in the next class down weighed 1100kg dry it would need to produce 348bhp at the flywheel to match mine.
Take off, say 40bhp to allow for drivechain if you want to use power at the wheels figures (much easier to measure on a dyno as well).
Obviously I am not privvy to other team`s information but you all know the truth in terms of exactly how your cars run.
Britcar is so nearly there, it`s got a great feel amongst it`s competitors, it just needs to sort out the missing link for world domination !
Henry
Fair points, well made, and I have no problem with any of them.A. No
Q2. Do you want to race amongst a group of different cars which are controlled by a basic set of common, easy to understand rules that are policed for the good of all.
A. Yes
Q3.Do you think Britcar currently offers Q2.
A No
Q4. Do you want to race with a bunch of guys & guyettes that you can have a bit of fun with off the track, share some banter, nick the odd bit of kit off them when you`re in the shit and have a bite to eat with when you`re on the ferry going to Spa
A. Yes
Q5. Does Britcar currently offer Q4
A. Yes, most definately
I can not see why any competitor would shy away for increased policing unless they were currently cheating. It will give you closer racing and bring your costs down. There is a potential problem where competitors are frightened that they will play by the rules, the rules are not enforced properly (I think we all agree this is the current status) and they are then disadvantaged because others gambled on a lack of policing (and won).
At the moment everyone works away to find a bit of a power advantage and push the envelope a bit. Everyone else does the same so in effect the classes slowly creep upwards (remember Belcar). At the moment I think most of the class 3 cars (called class 1?) are about on a par with my 996 GT3 cup car, a class 2 (or GT3 Cup car).
My car weighs 1200kg empty ex driver and produces 380bhp at the flywheel on a fresh engine.
Just suppose a car in the next class down weighed 1100kg dry it would need to produce 348bhp at the flywheel to match mine.
Take off, say 40bhp to allow for drivechain if you want to use power at the wheels figures (much easier to measure on a dyno as well).
Obviously I am not privvy to other team`s information but you all know the truth in terms of exactly how your cars run.
Britcar is so nearly there, it`s got a great feel amongst it`s competitors, it just needs to sort out the missing link for world domination !
Henry
I would be happier if everyone played by the rules and would be delighted to be checked at any time within reason, for in common with you chaps, we run a bog standard 996 GT3 Cup car,the specification of which is open for all to see. I just don't want to see "policing" as the be all and end all of a race weekend, random checks, fine, but pre race and after race, checks left right and centre would be a pain in the bum. I know you are not suggesting this but as they say, getting what you want is one thing, wanting what you get could be entirely different. If one allows regs to override everything else, then we will invite those with the power to enforce to maybe abuse, for this seems to be the trend in all walks of life, I say, put a man in uniform and you end up with an arsehole justifying his existence !!! don't we have enough of that??
I do understand, and to a large degree, share your point of view, just wish I could feel a little easier about it's implementation and effects if taken too far if it is to be assumed that everyone is cheating in one form or another, (which I seriously doubt), and nobody can be trusted to play with a straight bat.
You don`t need to be over jealous with the policing, done well the threat will discourage most from trying. You`ll need to test cars but you only need to check the ones at the pointy end from time to time. You don`t have to blow into a bag before setting off every time you go for a drive but the threat of being caught means you don`t drink & drive. I haven`t been breath tested for 15 years or more but I still wouldn`t risk it.
Henry
Henry
If they took the winning car from each class after each race in parc ferme, weighed and power tested them on a dyno then that would be a good deterent to stop cheating. If it did not meet power to weight then, no points! Simple....
I know that there is a potential liability over an engine going 'POP' when bing dyno'd but that should be the risk of the teams, if an engine is going to 'POP' on the dyno and there is some issue over liability then it is pretty clear that it would 'POP' the next time it got to circa 7000 rpm!
Not to difficult to do if they want to, look at KUMO, they weigh every car after every race!
Comes back to the issue that Britcar dont want tight regs.....
Are you back with us in 2008?
I know that there is a potential liability over an engine going 'POP' when bing dyno'd but that should be the risk of the teams, if an engine is going to 'POP' on the dyno and there is some issue over liability then it is pretty clear that it would 'POP' the next time it got to circa 7000 rpm!
Not to difficult to do if they want to, look at KUMO, they weigh every car after every race!
Comes back to the issue that Britcar dont want tight regs.....
Are you back with us in 2008?
Bellly said:
If they took the winning car from each class after each race in parc ferme, weighed and power tested them on a dyno then that would be a good deterent to stop cheating. If it did not meet power to weight then, no points! Simple....
I know that there is a potential liability over an engine going 'POP' when bing dyno'd but that should be the risk of the teams, if an engine is going to 'POP' on the dyno and there is some issue over liability then it is pretty clear that it would 'POP' the next time it got to circa 7000 rpm!
Not to difficult to do if they want to, look at KUMO, they weigh every car after every race!
Comes back to the issue that Britcar dont want tight regs.....
Are you back with us in 2008?
It`s as simple as that. Minimum weight as you finish the race with driver in the car.I know that there is a potential liability over an engine going 'POP' when bing dyno'd but that should be the risk of the teams, if an engine is going to 'POP' on the dyno and there is some issue over liability then it is pretty clear that it would 'POP' the next time it got to circa 7000 rpm!
Not to difficult to do if they want to, look at KUMO, they weigh every car after every race!
Comes back to the issue that Britcar dont want tight regs.....
Are you back with us in 2008?
I`d like to be back for 2008, depends if my 620bhp engine and trick ECU arrive in time, ooops......
Waiting to see how the regs pan out and if the series is going to be policed but it doesn`t look that hard to win so would be another trophy for the mantlepiece
Henry
Henry-F said:
It`s as simple as that. Minimum weight as you finish the race with driver in the car.
I`d like to be back for 2008, depends if my 620bhp engine and trick ECU arrive in time, ooops......
Waiting to see how the regs pan out and if the series is going to be policed but it doesn`t look that hard to win so would be another trophy for the mantelpiece
Henry
Seems OK to me if that's the way forward, check the car if you get a class podium position, as you say, simple !!!I`d like to be back for 2008, depends if my 620bhp engine and trick ECU arrive in time, ooops......
Waiting to see how the regs pan out and if the series is going to be policed but it doesn`t look that hard to win so would be another trophy for the mantelpiece
Henry
As to the regs etc, if we can now "drop" a bad result round, it will offset against the reliability issue that you and I currently have a slight advantage with as we run 996's, so one of our possible "levelers" against the faster cars in our class will be removed, guess we will just have to be a touch quicker
Never understood fully why you were so keen on this ?? Unless you plan to race something other then a Porsche
When all said and done, I'm fine with the dropped round proposal if the majority of competitors welcome it, teams that have "bad luck" regardless of the reason, will still feel they have a chance and not get too disheartened, but I think it will make it harder for us with "reliability" driven car choices to even up against the quicker yet supposedly less reliable cars. Under these circumstances, the policing proposals now becomes quite important in order to ensure that no additional advantages are taken.
Don't clear the mantelpiece yet !!!!
The dropped round proposal is, I imagine, designed to keep more teams in the championship for the entire season. It stops people thinking, for example, I won't bother going to far flung circuit X as I effectively have no chance now after that DNF at circuit Y
Its not just about reliability though is it - this helps the guys who get punted off through no fault of their own, or who just can't make a meeting due to an immovable other commitment
Its not just about reliability though is it - this helps the guys who get punted off through no fault of their own, or who just can't make a meeting due to an immovable other commitment
teamHOLDENracing said:
The dropped round proposal is, I imagine, designed to keep more teams in the championship for the entire season. It stops people thinking, for example, I won't bother going to far flung circuit X as I effectively have no chance now after that DNF at circuit Y
Its not just about reliability though is it - this helps the guys who get punted off through no fault of their own, or who just can't make a meeting due to an immovable other commitment
Or chaps that run TVR's Its not just about reliability though is it - this helps the guys who get punted off through no fault of their own, or who just can't make a meeting due to an immovable other commitment
You are absolutely right Andy me old mucker, it will help in other areas other then reliability, however, you are a prime example of the point I was making as you could well be in Cup class next season, unless you know otherwise, and with 450bhp and 900kg ish in weight and being a far superior driver, yeah !!!, I just may have to sweat a little to kick your arse in me little porker
Mind you, as you are running the TVR, I could pit, have a coffee, go off and book a holiday and still rely on the fact that you will be parked up somewhere with a conked out TVR
Edited by Racing Rod on Tuesday 25th September 14:06
Racing Rod said:
teamHOLDENracing said:
The dropped round proposal is, I imagine, designed to keep more teams in the championship for the entire season. It stops people thinking, for example, I won't bother going to far flung circuit X as I effectively have no chance now after that DNF at circuit Y
Its not just about reliability though is it - this helps the guys who get punted off through no fault of their own, or who just can't make a meeting due to an immovable other commitment
Or chaps that run TVR's Its not just about reliability though is it - this helps the guys who get punted off through no fault of their own, or who just can't make a meeting due to an immovable other commitment
You are absolutely right Andy me old mucker, it will help in other areas other then reliability, however, you are a prime example of the point I was making as you could well be in Cup class next season, unless you know otherwise, and with 450bhp and 900kg ish in weight and being a far superior driver, yeah !!!, I just may have to sweat a little to kick your arse in me little porker
Mind you, as you are running the TVR, I could pit, have a coffee, go off and book a holiday and still rely on the fact that you will be parked up somewhere with a conked out TVR
450bhp & 900kg wouldn`t be a cup class car. 1100? kg min weight & power as per the class power / weight ratio.
As has been said already dropped scores don`t just help reliability, weddings, getting knocked off, driver error & so on all play their part. The longer a championship is kept open the fun it is for everyone. No one wants to go racing for 2 hours with only a dozen cars on the grid.
I thought that encouraging people to attend the Spa round was a good idea (although it wasn`t enforced), offer more points for that round (1.5 or 2.0 times normal) to reflect the level of commitment required to attend.
I`m also a big fan of 2 races per weekend on different days. The effort required is no more than a single day meeting but if you have any problems in the first race you still have a chance to go racing the next day. It would also work very well with the proposed hospitality.
Henry
As has been said already dropped scores don`t just help reliability, weddings, getting knocked off, driver error & so on all play their part. The longer a championship is kept open the fun it is for everyone. No one wants to go racing for 2 hours with only a dozen cars on the grid.
I thought that encouraging people to attend the Spa round was a good idea (although it wasn`t enforced), offer more points for that round (1.5 or 2.0 times normal) to reflect the level of commitment required to attend.
I`m also a big fan of 2 races per weekend on different days. The effort required is no more than a single day meeting but if you have any problems in the first race you still have a chance to go racing the next day. It would also work very well with the proposed hospitality.
Henry
Henry-F said:
I`m also a big fan of 2 races per weekend on different days. The effort required is no more than a single day meeting but if you have any problems in the first race you still have a chance to go racing the next day. It would also work very well with the proposed hospitality.
Agree with that!Henry-F said:
450bhp & 900kg wouldn`t be a cup class car. 1100? kg min weight & power as per the class power / weight ratio.
Henry
Quite right, he would be in GT3 or whatever it's called now, just as well as whippersnapper Holden as I call him has got a quick car there and if he puts a Chevy lump in it, he may well last the race Henry
Not a bad driver either although it pains me to say it, as you can guess, we go back to Tuscan days so he is used to having the urine extracted
Henry-F said:
450bhp & 900kg wouldn`t be a cup class car. 1100? kg min weight & power as per the class power / weight ratio....
I`m also a big fan of 2 races per weekend on different days. The effort required is no more than a single day meeting but if you have any problems in the first race you still have a chance to go racing the next day. It would also work very well with the proposed hospitality.
Henry, the dear old Rodney chap is a little confused. My pert and beautifully formed new car would be firmly in GT3 or whatever the top class is called, just as we are in the Dutch Schoooper Cars. We should slot in nicely at the top end of the PTW limit depending on losses through the drive train - we'll restrict a little if we need to, or add aircon/more cupholders rather than ballast. I`m also a big fan of 2 races per weekend on different days. The effort required is no more than a single day meeting but if you have any problems in the first race you still have a chance to go racing the next day. It would also work very well with the proposed hospitality.
Poor Rodney is still living in 2003 when he actually did have half a chance against us. I think he is also struggling to accept that the pile of spares he saw in my workshop last Christmas has finally emerged as a functional racecar which is quicker than his Pork.
I am also a big fan of two races in a weekend for exactly the same reasons - it is the same effort but spread over a longer period (i.e. less effort per day). It also makes the whole thing far more sociable, especially if you don't spend the whole night changing an engine. I suspect that two races in a weekend means each of the races is shorter, which is fine by me but not if you want 4 hour races.
I'm not a fan of meetings where everything is squashed into one day. I'd much rather have optional free practice or testing on a Friday, pratice/qually on Sat morning, Race 1 Sat afternoon, a couple of quiet sherberts with me mates in the evening, Race 2 Sunday, home for tea and muffins Sunday night
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