Everyone's quitting - we'll threatening to !
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Mike Gascoyne has reportedly threatened to quit Force India if the Silverstone based team signs Ralf Schumacher for 2008 - LOL
And Jenson's making noises as well
"The car was a complete dog, and I'm just not interested in racing like this any more," Button told the Mail on Sunday.
"I'd love to win the title with Honda but I've got to start winning, and if I don't then I have to be ruthless," he added.
Button told the newspaper that an option on his long term contract allows him to "sit down and discuss the future" at the end of 2008, presumably if Honda does not meet certain performance targets.
He said: "It things don't work out, that's exactly what I'll be doing. I'm not saying I expect to win the title, but I do expect a dramatic improvement.
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The thing is with Honda is they are not in the business of losing, they are possibly one of the most ferociously competitive companies around, as in directors falling on their swords if they don't win. So much so that Jenson must have thought it would change and they would come good, in fact you'd have to be mad not to think they would and could start winning. The fact they haven't and messed up so badly this year is quite baffling especially as they finished so strongly last year. I think he has probably considered moving but the fact that Honda will demand success and do anything to achieve it perhaps is making him consider staying on, there would be no sicker feeling like moving only to find they have pulled their fingers out and done something to create a winning championship year the very year you decide to move on.
a friend told me a couple of days ago that Honda are so rubbish this year because Japan is having to sign off every change the UK team are making, and generally, the Japanese team are being too conservative. so everytime the UK guys put a new idea on the table the Japanese office turns it down.
(there was some interview somewhere about this)
(there was some interview somewhere about this)
Some would say that Jenson's getting in some media coverage in the hope that MacLaren might somehow be influenced while they're thinking about who to invite to race alongside golden bollox. But looking for media coverage to do this doesn't make any sense at all - his agent would have been all over the guys at MacLaren as soon as Alonso started throwing his toys of the pram. But I reckon Jenson has every right to be really frustrated about the POS that Honda gave him and RB this season - especially after they scored 86 points between them in 2006. But, giving Jenson some credit, and knowing as he certainly did from the getgo that it was a POS, he didn't moan and whine about it but got on with the job, gave his best under difficult circumstances and played the good corporate citizen, always trying to talk up the expectations but knowing in his heart that he was just there to make up the numbers.
I sincerely hope that Honda have got / are getting their act together for 2008. Jenson's certainly good enough to convert a potentially good car into one that consistently places in the top 5 and has the experience to convert some of those to podiums. Whether he has a WC in him even with the best car on the grid remains the stuff of fantasy but we are lucky to have a set of seriously good British drivers at the moment with several equally good candidates in the wings. But I for one would like to see Jenson wheel to wheel with golden bollox down to Turn 1 starting the final lap of the Australian GP next March. But enough of my fantasies.....
I sincerely hope that Honda have got / are getting their act together for 2008. Jenson's certainly good enough to convert a potentially good car into one that consistently places in the top 5 and has the experience to convert some of those to podiums. Whether he has a WC in him even with the best car on the grid remains the stuff of fantasy but we are lucky to have a set of seriously good British drivers at the moment with several equally good candidates in the wings. But I for one would like to see Jenson wheel to wheel with golden bollox down to Turn 1 starting the final lap of the Australian GP next March. But enough of my fantasies.....
That would definitely appear to be getting their act together - however I just hope the car Ross has to work with is adequate to get the job done otherwise it could be several years before he (and whoever is driving for Honda at that stage) gets to see the fruit of this appointment. Overall I think it great for F1 to have Ross Brawn back in the sport.
Too many corporations are trying to treat F1 like a business - to be profitable and that no-one is expendable.
Wrong.
This is a sport. If you want to win, you have to get the best. This means paying for them, putting up with someone who is not a nice guy or has odd working practices. You can't sack the best and expect someone else to do just as good a job. That may work in business, but not in sport. It also means sparing no expense on the time and effort required to win, the antithesis of being profitable.
Corporations who try to treat F1 this way (like Honda, Toyota) have completely underestimated the sport and managed to insult it in the same process. You're here to win races, not use it as an advertising scam to sell your road cars.
To those I say you deserve to lose, and I really hope you do until you change your attitude...
Wrong.
This is a sport. If you want to win, you have to get the best. This means paying for them, putting up with someone who is not a nice guy or has odd working practices. You can't sack the best and expect someone else to do just as good a job. That may work in business, but not in sport. It also means sparing no expense on the time and effort required to win, the antithesis of being profitable.
Corporations who try to treat F1 this way (like Honda, Toyota) have completely underestimated the sport and managed to insult it in the same process. You're here to win races, not use it as an advertising scam to sell your road cars.
To those I say you deserve to lose, and I really hope you do until you change your attitude...
I think Jenson was having his say before the announcement of Ross Braun, a bit of a warm up for the media to remember who he is!
I'm probably a bit biased as a Frome girl, but I think Jenson has behaved admirably this year. A few years back he may have thrown his toys out of the pram due to the rubbish car he had, but he kept it very professional and has only now said what he has said as he knew something was being done about it.
Maybe next year might be too soon, but with Ross Braun on board, he would need a seriously better offer to go elsewhere, IMHO.
That bit about Honda management was probably the interview with Nick Fry in F1 Magazine (posibly Sept) about his role and how he copes with the "dual management" from Japan and the UK.
I'm probably a bit biased as a Frome girl, but I think Jenson has behaved admirably this year. A few years back he may have thrown his toys out of the pram due to the rubbish car he had, but he kept it very professional and has only now said what he has said as he knew something was being done about it.
Maybe next year might be too soon, but with Ross Braun on board, he would need a seriously better offer to go elsewhere, IMHO.
That bit about Honda management was probably the interview with Nick Fry in F1 Magazine (posibly Sept) about his role and how he copes with the "dual management" from Japan and the UK.
Miss Pitstop said:
I'm probably a bit biased as a Frome girl, but I think Jenson has behaved admirably this year. A few years back he may have thrown his toys out of the pram due to the rubbish car he had, but he kept it very professional and has only now said what he has said as he knew something was being done about it.
i'm not a Button fan, but even I felt for him this year. the car was embarrasingly bad. it must of been soul destroying to look at that lump of algae at each race thinking that it would be nice if you could get ahead of the Spykers.even the poor old team - i mean - whats the point? doing a pit stop must of been comical considering their car was probably at the back of the race in the first place. they could of spent a couple of minutes changing the tyres and it wouldn't make any difference to the race.
first thing they need to do is lose the limp wristed green environmental livery. if they want to make an environmental statement - why didn't they withdraw from F1 this season?
Ecclestone threatens to quit over McLaren appeal
Formula One boss clear on his championship stance
14/11/07 09:25
F1 Chief Executive Bernie Ecclestone has threatened to walk away from the sport if Kimi Raikkonen's newly-won world championship is on Thursday snatched away.
McLaren appealed Brazilian GP stewards' decision last month to not penalise four rival cars despite their fuel being found arguably cooler than the regulations allow.
Should the FIA Court of Appeal in London exclude three of the four cars and promote Lewis Hamilton up the Interlagos finishing-order, the 22-year-old rookie could be belatedly handed the championship.
Briton Hamilton, however, has said he does not want to win a title away from the race tracks, and Ecclestone now reveals that such a scenario could compel him into retirement, 35 years after he bought the Brabham team in 1972.
"If anyone thinks that's the best thing for Formula One then I'd have very serious thoughts about me retiring," the 77-year-old is quoted as saying by The Guardian.
Told you everyone's quitting !!!
Formula One boss clear on his championship stance
14/11/07 09:25
F1 Chief Executive Bernie Ecclestone has threatened to walk away from the sport if Kimi Raikkonen's newly-won world championship is on Thursday snatched away.
McLaren appealed Brazilian GP stewards' decision last month to not penalise four rival cars despite their fuel being found arguably cooler than the regulations allow.
Should the FIA Court of Appeal in London exclude three of the four cars and promote Lewis Hamilton up the Interlagos finishing-order, the 22-year-old rookie could be belatedly handed the championship.
Briton Hamilton, however, has said he does not want to win a title away from the race tracks, and Ecclestone now reveals that such a scenario could compel him into retirement, 35 years after he bought the Brabham team in 1972.
"If anyone thinks that's the best thing for Formula One then I'd have very serious thoughts about me retiring," the 77-year-old is quoted as saying by The Guardian.
Told you everyone's quitting !!!
900T-R said:
10 Pence Short said:
That's just disgusting from Ecclestone, entirely prejudicing the appeal before it's even begun.
Yeah, now everyone will want the appeal to be granted, even if they like Kimi more than Lewis...Gassing Station | General Motorsport | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff