Another Sad example of money not talent buying rides.....!
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waynepixel said:
This is the problem with Motor-racing, you need money and very good contact to succeed. And there are not allot of people who are lucky to have one, let alone both options.
Yep. There's only one way to sort that out. Free karting for kids. Like a football academy but for motorsport. I know how to do this too, but I'm kinda lacking the £50m to start it off. A talent spotting series located in one place in the country, say in the name of Lewis Hamilton 
, would attract it's own sponsorship and funding, especially with some TV rights.
Heebeegeetee said:
waynepixel said:
It is a privilege for the Rich. And yes, Lewis got lucky, if it was not for Mclaren, I really do not think his racing career would have made it past Karting.
In fairness, i think its only DC who has made it to the top from a wealthy family background.Neither Mansell, Hill, Button or Hamilton had any proper family money behind them, but they did have a lot of talent and a lot of self belief. In fact in Mansells case, possibly more self belief (and downright belligerence, often) than talent, but he did up his game at each step up the ladder.
jellison said:
Mansell was one of the few that could really had it out to Senna when both were at there Peak - some of their Ding Dong Battle were the best ever.
Yes, i agree, for my money he became one of the most exciting race drivers of all time. I mean, somehow, somewhere, there was always controversy wherever he went, whether he was racing in F1 or just filling a celebrity slot in a touring car race. 
But that was all rather difficult to foresee from what he was doing in his early days, so my point is, we shouldn't get so heavy on those who may appear to be talentless early on.
(and in fact on the whole, i don't agree that their are rich, spoilt brats in motorsport. There may be the odd one, but its not an issue in a big way imo. Whether you're rich or not, only talent will get you there in the end)
Oh and of course, we've forgotten to mention a certain other driver who did alright without family money. One certain Mr M. Schumacher.
Heebeegeetee said:
jellison said:
NM was a front funner on limited budget in f3 Balls to the wall even then - hence the bust back.
I seem to recall him being beaten by a team mate called Brett Riley, at the time. Balls to the wall even then - hence the bust back.mattikake]Agree that the junior Mansells haven't really shone at all. It's this off their name [that I guess attracts sponsors said:
. Is that off their name primarily or money secondarily?!
Anyway, I think Nige got it wrong. He should've bought Leo a Kart as soon as he turned 5yo (a bit like our Nige himself), rather than denying them the chance to get into motorspot because he figured it was too dangerous.
What you are is a result of what you have learned. Genetics has a much smaller part to play than is generally accepted...
So Mansell SNR might as well use the name while he has it for his kids racing benefit.Anyway, I think Nige got it wrong. He should've bought Leo a Kart as soon as he turned 5yo (a bit like our Nige himself), rather than denying them the chance to get into motorspot because he figured it was too dangerous.
What you are is a result of what you have learned. Genetics has a much smaller part to play than is generally accepted...
Quinny said:
Jellison,
I've sent Mansell an email, with a link to this thread
He's had a think about it and he says your so right, he's going to stop giving his lads money and, he's going to set you up instead.
He said he'd much rather support a total stranger with no family connections than his own boys.
I think you should keep an eye on the post over the next few days. Expect a big cheque
Excellent NewsI've sent Mansell an email, with a link to this thread
He's had a think about it and he says your so right, he's going to stop giving his lads money and, he's going to set you up instead.
He said he'd much rather support a total stranger with no family connections than his own boys.
I think you should keep an eye on the post over the next few days. Expect a big cheque
jellison said:
Quinny said:
Jellison,
I've sent Mansell an email, with a link to this thread
He's had a think about it and he says your so right, he's going to stop giving his lads money and, he's going to set you up instead.
He said he'd much rather support a total stranger with no family connections than his own boys.
I think you should keep an eye on the post over the next few days. Expect a big cheque
Excellent NewsI've sent Mansell an email, with a link to this thread
He's had a think about it and he says your so right, he's going to stop giving his lads money and, he's going to set you up instead.
He said he'd much rather support a total stranger with no family connections than his own boys.
I think you should keep an eye on the post over the next few days. Expect a big cheque
Pity his sons won't follow suit in this matter. But if he thinks that hurts, he should try being a nobody who could've been, but never had the chance, nor was ever going to have the chance to try it properly...
Edited by mattikake on Thursday 15th November 12:31
Jellison,
I had a squiz at your profile and it appears youve been in or around enough motorsport to know the way things work. So Ive no idea why this is such a surprise to you. Stockhatcher has it bang on. Of course motorsport is full of people with Daddies money. If I was loaded and my kids had an interest, MY kids would be there on Daddies money too.
The number of motorsport Dynasties, here and in the US and in Australia, are too numerous to mention.
Do you think they all worked their way up from flipping burgers and washing cars?
Youre clearly a person who competes and puts alot of your personal income into your sport and thats to be applauded and far preferrable to being an arm chair observer. But all your posts and this thread just sound like sour grapes or jealousy. You think youre the only one who thinks youve could have made better use of an F3 seat than them if you'd just had the money/breaks?
Hopefully Im preaching to the choir here but motorsport is an expensive hobby - thats all. I would say 90% of the F3 field are there thanks to Daddies money. Why pick on the Mansells?
I had a squiz at your profile and it appears youve been in or around enough motorsport to know the way things work. So Ive no idea why this is such a surprise to you. Stockhatcher has it bang on. Of course motorsport is full of people with Daddies money. If I was loaded and my kids had an interest, MY kids would be there on Daddies money too.
The number of motorsport Dynasties, here and in the US and in Australia, are too numerous to mention.
Do you think they all worked their way up from flipping burgers and washing cars?
Youre clearly a person who competes and puts alot of your personal income into your sport and thats to be applauded and far preferrable to being an arm chair observer. But all your posts and this thread just sound like sour grapes or jealousy. You think youre the only one who thinks youve could have made better use of an F3 seat than them if you'd just had the money/breaks?
Hopefully Im preaching to the choir here but motorsport is an expensive hobby - thats all. I would say 90% of the F3 field are there thanks to Daddies money. Why pick on the Mansells?
Edited by 308mate on Thursday 15th November 15:13
308mate said:
Jellison,
I had a squiz at your profile and it appears youve been in or around enough motorsport to know the way things work. So Ive no idea why this is such a surprise to you. Stockhatcher has it bang on. Of course motorsport is full of people with Daddies money. If I was loaded and my kids had an interest, MY kids would be there on Daddies money too.
The number of motorsport Dynasties, here and in the US and in Australia, are too numerous to mention.
Do you think they all worked their way up from flipping burgers and washing cars?
Youre clearly a person who competes and puts alot of your personal income into your sport and thats to be applauded and far preferrable to being an arm chair observer. But all your posts and this thread just sound like sour grapes or jealousy. You think youre the only one who thinks youve could have made better use of an F3 seat than them if you'd just had the money/breaks?
Hopefully Im preaching to the choir here but motorsport is an expensive hobby - thats all. I would say 90% of the F3 field are there thanks to Daddies money. Why pick on the Mansells?
Why pick on the Mansells?I had a squiz at your profile and it appears youve been in or around enough motorsport to know the way things work. So Ive no idea why this is such a surprise to you. Stockhatcher has it bang on. Of course motorsport is full of people with Daddies money. If I was loaded and my kids had an interest, MY kids would be there on Daddies money too.
The number of motorsport Dynasties, here and in the US and in Australia, are too numerous to mention.
Do you think they all worked their way up from flipping burgers and washing cars?
Youre clearly a person who competes and puts alot of your personal income into your sport and thats to be applauded and far preferrable to being an arm chair observer. But all your posts and this thread just sound like sour grapes or jealousy. You think youre the only one who thinks youve could have made better use of an F3 seat than them if you'd just had the money/breaks?
Hopefully Im preaching to the choir here but motorsport is an expensive hobby - thats all. I would say 90% of the F3 field are there thanks to Daddies money. Why pick on the Mansells?
Edited by 308mate on Thursday 15th November 15:13
Cos he was bit of a hero of mine - well chuffed to be at TG the day he was on (the day the Veyron was on it the first time). Just a pity he is bank rolling loosers - he was alot better than they are at the stage they are at on alot less cash.
I do the lotto alot and yes I do sink alot of cash into cars - but most of the time it pays off (at my level). I never said I would be anything in a formual car. But so many people woul be back marker without the cahss to have by far the fastest cars - alittle bit faster car can be beaten by a driver with more skill but not when the other drivers car is miles ahead.
Fingers crossed for saturday.............
jellison said:
Just a pity he is bank rolling loosers
Losers to you maybe, but they're his pride and joy! It's his money and he is at least a motorsport 'enthusiast'. They might not make the top grade, but that just goes to prove that money and influence doesn't actually get you to the top. Thing is jelly, there's only a handful of really talented great drivers out there, if no-one bankrolls the others, who are they gonna race?
And where does the money come from to run motorsport, if its not going to come from the entrants?
And, the other driver in that champ car team the Mansells are going to join, maybe he's got no money but they can run him now 'cos the Mansells are bank rolling the operation.
And where does the money come from to run motorsport, if its not going to come from the entrants?
And, the other driver in that champ car team the Mansells are going to join, maybe he's got no money but they can run him now 'cos the Mansells are bank rolling the operation.
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