Hamilton awarded title?

[Knick Pee]

cougarracing said:

basically if bmw and williams are disqualified, then hamilton gets bumped up 2 places .

3 places.....both BMWs and a Williams.

I hope it does happen. If only to stick it right up Ferrarsi.

[chris_w]

motormania said:

chris_w said:

motormania said:

Then we can start 2008 with a brighter future for F1

But the most hated champ in history unfortunately. I actually think that would be the worst thing for Hamilton if he was given the title now.

Edited by chris_w on Friday 16th November 13:29

Read my post, I would be happy because Bernie would resign if Lewis was given the title, and then we'd just hppe that Mad Max would follow shortly after

I couldn't agree more (about getting rid of Bernie and Max) but find it all very sad that such a hard fought for title is now so tarnished that the teams are throwing it back and forth like a hot potato.

You should have heard the crowds cheering when Hamilton slowed up in Brazil - he already isn't popular beyond these shores and having this attached to him would only make that worse.

[TonyHetherington]

Something's occured to me though. Ok so Hamilton's on the up and possibly the next best thing. But thing's can change. Look how well Button did 2 seasons ago in the Honda with "promise for next year" to then be back(ish) of the grid.

So, even though things are looking great, with huge changes in rules this year (specifically TC) even though, yes, he's not winning it directly on track surely every man no matter how "on the up" they are would say "yes please thanks" to "would you like to be world driver's champion". If you see what I mean?

[Podie]

motormania said:

Then we can start 2008 with a brighter future for F1

F1 is dead. The regs have killed the racing, and the teams would rather fight it out in the courtroom or squeal to the FIA than win it on the track.

Would rather watch paint dry…

[stockhatcher]

why would the title be tarnished if hamilton won it 'this way'

markku alen was world rally champion for 11 days in 1986, then peugeot ( mr todt) appealed the results of the san remo rally, and kankkunen was declarded champ... do we think any less of kankkunen now ???

seems like poetic justice, todt screws fiat in '86, gets screwed with fiat in '07.

i so hope its true... schadenfreud anyone?

[Heebeegeetee]

Podie said:

F1 is dead. The regs have killed the racing, and the teams would rather fight it out in the courtroom or squeal to the FIA than win it on the track.

The regs are fine, absolutely nothing wrong with them. Its the FIA who have screwed up, they've totally lost control of the sport, and Max, and others, has to go.

It will be a disaster if Bernie goes (which he won't, anyway). Within a year or two of Bernie going F1 could start to implode and break up. It needs a strong hand to run this ship, and we all owe Bernie a tremendous debt.

[Woody]

I hope this doesn't happen.
Kimi was the better driver in the last part of the season, Lewis and Mclaren made too many mistakes - and the whinging spaniard was rubbish.....
Let Kimi keep the title - he's deserved it this year.

If Bernie did go - who'd run F1? Hopefully not SRO - he's fk the GT's up good & proper IMO - imagine what he'd do to F1!!!!

If it's decided in the courts then I'll have to seriously reconsider watching / attending any F1 races next year.

Chris

[Marki]

Heebeegeetee said:

[and we all owe Bernie a tremendous debt.

In fairness yes Bernie "did" do a lot of good but to suggest we owe him a debt of gratitude is hilarious i feel he has been renumerated quite nicely for his trouble over the years

[Knick Pee]

TonyHetherington said:

Something's occured to me though. Ok so Hamilton's on the up and possibly the next best thing. But thing's can change. Look how well Button did 2 seasons ago in the Honda with "promise for next year" to then be back(ish) of the grid.

So, even though things are looking great, with huge changes in rules this year (specifically TC) even though, yes, he's not winning it directly on track surely every man no matter how "on the up" they are would say "yes please thanks" to "would you like to be world driver's champion". If you see what I mean?

of course.

and it would be a massive two fingers if Lewis says "oh i dont really want it, i'll have it another time when I choose"

[TonyHetherington]

Yup, I couldn't agree more; it would be a huge embarrasement for the FIA.

But 3 titles, rather than 2 (for example). Maybe 7 titles rather than 6. Number 1 on the car next year. It will be forgotten about by race number 2 next year.

What if something big happens and this is his only ever chance of being WDC?

As great as it would be, I wonder if he'll "take it"...

[Knick Pee]

TonyHetherington said:

Yup, I couldn't agree more; it would be a huge embarrasement for the FIA.

But 3 titles, rather than 2 (for example). Maybe 7 titles rather than 6. Number 1 on the car next year. It will be forgotten about by race number 2 next year.

What if something big happens and this is his only ever chance of being WDC?

As great as it would be, I wonder if he'll "take it"...

I would hope so.

He is a worthy winner IMO. What he has done for the sport over the last year in England is amazing......it's like Mansellmania but better and bigger.

[Marki]

Knick Pee said:

[and it would be a massive two fingers if Lewis says "oh i dont really want it, i'll have it another time when I choose"

I would love to see that happen that would realy be saying you Max

[tempus]

Unfortunately people in positions of power tend to stay beyond their sell by date and so whilst i may have owed him something once, he has now reduced the "sport" to a point that is lower than when he became involved in running it and it will only get worse when he announces that he is going to stay to sort it out.Tempus

[Knick Pee]

tempus said:

Unfortunately people in positions of power tend to stay beyond their sell by date and so whilst i may have owed him something once, he has now reduced the "sport" to a point that is lower than when he became involved in running it and it will only get worse when he announces that he is going to stay to sort it out.Tempus

totally agree....he has destroyed F1 with his meddling

[Heebeegeetee]

Marki said:

Heebeegeetee said:

[and we all owe Bernie a tremendous debt.

In fairness yes Bernie "did" do a lot of good but to suggest we owe him a debt of gratitude is hilarious i feel he has been renumerated quite nicely for his trouble over the years

True i s'pose. There is another saying that goes 'you don't know what you've got til its gone', and maybe after bernie has gone, and F1 has split into 1,2 or 3 different series, with drivers and teams spread amongst them, and no-hopers making up the numbers, people thn might realise the job bernie has done.

I was at a mates house t'other night, and he'd recorded an old F1 race at Silverstone. A ferrari had run of the track, and got bogged down in mud (yes, mud). The first marshal to run out to the car also got completely stuck in the mud. The driver (might have been Lauda) sat on the roll over hoop behind the cockpit, and sat there wondering however was he going to get to dry land without getting covered in gloop.

I said "Here you are, F1 pre-Bernie" and we all fell about in stitches.

Pre-Bernie the Beeb used to mix the gp coverage with the cricket. You moan about the adverts today, but at least you still do get to see everything, but all we used to get was, just as Jones was lining Villeneuve up for a pass, we'd suddenly go to Headingly where they were just coming out from tea.

When i went to a gp in those days, absolutely nothing happened between F1 sessions, and the races never started on time. The tracks would be shabby, weed infested places and the fire marshals would be in t-shirts, and so on.

I dare say, those who moan about Bernie are young, and are unable to appreciate what they've got. They think once Bernie has gone, things will automatically get better. I say that view is naive.

Edited by Heebeegeetee on Friday 16th November 14:35

[Marki]

Heebeegeetee said:

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True i s'pose. There is another saying that goes 'you don't know what you've got til its gone', and maybe after bernie has gone, and F1 has split into 1,2 or 3 different series, with drivers and teams spread amongst them, and no-hopers making up the numbers, people thn might realise the job bernie has done.

I can remember the F1 coverage stoping for the cricket

I doubt it would implode as you suggest too many manufacturers in it now and the stakes are too high now for that to happen ,Bernis has done his job made a fortune out of it , its time the little ttt fed off

[Heebeegeetee]

Marki said:

Heebeegeetee said:

[
True i s'pose. There is another saying that goes 'you don't know what you've got til its gone', and maybe after bernie has gone, and F1 has split into 1,2 or 3 different series, with drivers and teams spread amongst them, and no-hopers making up the numbers, people thn might realise the job bernie has done.

I can remember the F1 coverage stoping for the cricket

I doubt it would implode as you suggest too many manufacturers in it now and the stakes are too high now for that to happen ,Bernis has done his job made a fortune out of it , its time the little ttt fed off

Well it nearly split up just recently, and look whats happened to Indycars. Indeed, is there any top race series in the world that hasn't got worse over the years? I'm thinking Nascar, but is there much else? Touring cars is crap compared to what it was, and rallying is just dead in the water.

I can recall that the bike world thought that Bernie was going to get involved with their racing some time ago, and they were tremendously excited at the thought. But he didn't, and bikes has gone through many changes since.

Since i mentioned rallying though, maybe Dave Richards will take over from Bernie. He gained control of the tv rights to rallying, and boy, didn't he do a fantastic job.

[patmahe]

I hope it happens exactly as the article says. That Mclaren were awarded the title but declined it - then I hope Ron Dennis and Lewis issue a press release congratulating Kimi Raikkonen on the title and saying he is a deserving world champion but that they hope to beat him next year.

Then I hope he calls for the resignation of Max Mosley and that other teams have the balls to back him up.

It would begin to restore my faith in my beloved sport, which has lost its way so badly in recent years.

[BJG1]

What's to say Hamilton will be bumped up 3 places? Surely they can disqualify the racers, but keep the positions as they are?

[Munter]

BJG1 said:

What's to say Hamilton will be bumped up 3 places? Surely they can disqualify the racers, but keep the positions as they are?

They could give the championship to the guy who finished last, it's their sport. However precident is that if after a race someone is found to have run an illegal car they are removed as if they didn't run and everybody below them shuffles up a place.

Unless your ferrari and have a flexible floor, then it's rule book 2 you need. The ink's still wet on that one as they are currently making it up as they go along.