If I wanted to race...
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JP_Midget said:
KingRichard said:
JP_Midget said:
KingRichard said:
VSCC?
Not raced with those. I expect that due to the age of the vehicles they would be rather costly, but there are often a few about, and they're always at the MGCC International event, or at least cars of that era.
Then I woke up
You stay AWAY from me while I'm sleeping
So you don't share the love for the old Bentleys and Bugattis then?
Does anyone here run anything approaching a vintage vehicle in a race series? I know people that race 60-70s cars (mostly MGs), but not actually any earlier.
I have a neighbour that was involved in the Blower Bentleys, but I don't know him that well (when I were a young lad he was the old grumpy sod!).
Does anyone here run anything approaching a vintage vehicle in a race series? I know people that race 60-70s cars (mostly MGs), but not actually any earlier.
I have a neighbour that was involved in the Blower Bentleys, but I don't know him that well (when I were a young lad he was the old grumpy sod!).
I'm involved with (I think "run" is too bold a claim) a 1954 Cooper.
If the OP is interested in historics, the most important element is working out what you want to drive. Issues to consider include:
If you want free drives in historics, there are three well-proven methods:
If the OP is interested in historics, the most important element is working out what you want to drive. Issues to consider include:
- What do you want to drive? Single-seaters, sports cars, saloons?
- How much money have you got? £20k will get you into some series. Others start at £100k and carry on almost indefinitely.
- How much mechanical nous have you got? Some cars are easier to work on, others take a bit of experience.
- How competitive do you want it to be? Some are very competitive, others are basically guys having a bit of fun. This can effect how much you actually enjoy it and how much it's going to cost.
If you want free drives in historics, there are three well-proven methods:
- The celeb route: Become a champion in a major national or international series. Retire. Put the word out that you'd like the occasional run out. Get pally with Charlie March.
- The Mark Hayles route: Become very pally with a rich car collector who's realising that he's getting a bit old or just can't do justice to his cars, or has more cars than he can use.
- The Tony Steele route: Build a business in vehicle restoration and preparation that's amongst the best in the series. Prove your ability to shakedown and set up cars. Become an indispensable aprt of the series. Eventually a satisfied customer will ask you to give their project a run-out before they use it.
HiRich said:
I'm involved with (I think "run" is too bold a claim) a 1954 Cooper.
If the OP is interested in historics, the most important element is working out what you want to drive. Issues to consider include:
If you want free drives in historics, there are three well-proven methods:
That's pretty cool. Cooper as in the GP car? If the OP is interested in historics, the most important element is working out what you want to drive. Issues to consider include:
- What do you want to drive? Single-seaters, sports cars, saloons?
- How much money have you got? £20k will get you into some series. Others start at £100k and carry on almost indefinitely.
- How much mechanical nous have you got? Some cars are easier to work on, others take a bit of experience.
- How competitive do you want it to be? Some are very competitive, others are basically guys having a bit of fun. This can effect how much you actually enjoy it and how much it's going to cost.
If you want free drives in historics, there are three well-proven methods:
- The celeb route: Become a champion in a major national or international series. Retire. Put the word out that you'd like the occasional run out. Get pally with Charlie March.
- The Mark Hayles route: Become very pally with a rich car collector who's realising that he's getting a bit old or just can't do justice to his cars, or has more cars than he can use.
- The Tony Steele route: Build a business in vehicle restoration and preparation that's amongst the best in the series. Prove your ability to shakedown and set up cars. Become an indispensable aprt of the series. Eventually a satisfied customer will ask you to give their project a run-out before they use it.
Any pics?
Maybe historics ain't such a good idea. Don't want to chuck more than a few grand a year at it really to start with.
Are there any dirt cheap (I realise this would be comparatively speaking!) series I could get involved in on circuits? I'm thinking of Mini's or 2CV's or Locosts or something that can just give me a flavour for a season...
I certainly can't throw £100k into a folly just yet
KingRichard said:
That's pretty cool. Cooper as in the GP car?
No, one of these little chappies:
£15k would get you a decent car. It might also be worth looking at our colleagues & rivals, the 750 Trophy racers. There are historic saloon series that offer similar or better value. And the atmosphere is very friendly. So don't rule out the lower rungs of historic racing.
KingRichard said:
wee_skids said:
A cheap way would be to buy a ready prep'd Mg Metro and do the Drayton manor championship.
But cheap isn't really cheap and that'll still cost you - especially if you don't do any spannering yourself.
What you looking at? £10k a season?But cheap isn't really cheap and that'll still cost you - especially if you don't do any spannering yourself.
Graham said:
KingRichard said:
wee_skids said:
A cheap way would be to buy a ready prep'd Mg Metro and do the Drayton manor championship.
But cheap isn't really cheap and that'll still cost you - especially if you don't do any spannering yourself.
What you looking at? £10k a season?But cheap isn't really cheap and that'll still cost you - especially if you don't do any spannering yourself.
http://www.mgmetrocup.co.uk/
Edited by nelson.tfr on Sunday 25th November 22:58
how about Porsche 924s? this year (our second season) cost us around £4k and ended with a win.
There are a few good cars for sale at the moment i believe for around £4k each.
www.porscheracingdrivers.co.uk
matt
There are a few good cars for sale at the moment i believe for around £4k each.
www.porscheracingdrivers.co.uk
matt
Can't believe you can do a championship season in anything for 2.5K unless you live next to a circuit like Lydden and only race in their SELOC championship so you have virtually no petrol costs.
I budget about around £500 per race weekend without testing.
That roughly includes race entry, fuel, food and accomodation if staying in a b&b.
It doesn't include repairs or consumables.
So if you do 10 rounds that's £5k absolute minimum - I'd have thought these costs were a minimum standard as race entry, fuel and food costs pretty much the same wether you enter a metro, mini, porsche or caterham.
The expense really comes in the preperation of the car, ongoing testing and repairs throughout the season - that's where the differences in cost really show themselves.
I budget about around £500 per race weekend without testing.
That roughly includes race entry, fuel, food and accomodation if staying in a b&b.
It doesn't include repairs or consumables.
So if you do 10 rounds that's £5k absolute minimum - I'd have thought these costs were a minimum standard as race entry, fuel and food costs pretty much the same wether you enter a metro, mini, porsche or caterham.
The expense really comes in the preperation of the car, ongoing testing and repairs throughout the season - that's where the differences in cost really show themselves.
custardtart said:
Can't believe you can do a championship season in anything for 2.5K unless you live next to a circuit like Lydden and only race in their SELOC championship so you have virtually no petrol costs.
I budget about around £500 per race weekend without testing.
That roughly includes race entry, fuel, food and accomodation if staying in a b&b.
It doesn't include repairs or consumables.
So if you do 10 rounds that's £5k absolute minimum - I'd have thought these costs were a minimum standard as race entry, fuel and food costs pretty much the same wether you enter a metro, mini, porsche or caterham.
The expense really comes in the preperation of the car, ongoing testing and repairs throughout the season - that's where the differences in cost really show themselves.
Thats about what I budget 500 per weekend or 500-1000 if its a double header. thats for entry fees, fuel, accomodation ( we tend to stay in the paddock) food, and consumables.I budget about around £500 per race weekend without testing.
That roughly includes race entry, fuel, food and accomodation if staying in a b&b.
It doesn't include repairs or consumables.
So if you do 10 rounds that's £5k absolute minimum - I'd have thought these costs were a minimum standard as race entry, fuel and food costs pretty much the same wether you enter a metro, mini, porsche or caterham.
The expense really comes in the preperation of the car, ongoing testing and repairs throughout the season - that's where the differences in cost really show themselves.
obviously from that you can see you can easily double the cost if you test before every round.
our entry fees varied from 190-260 so there is 2-3 grand straight away (10-12 meetings) and you've not turned a wheel yet...
Accident damage is probably where different series become more expensive. My jammed throttle at Cadwell endedup costing about 4 grand, where as you could buy a couple of race prepped metros for that !!!
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custardtart said:
Can't believe you can do a championship season in anything for 2.5K unless you live next to a circuit like Lydden and only race in their SELOC championship so you have virtually no petrol costs.
I budget about around £500 per race weekend without testing.
That roughly includes race entry, fuel, food and accomodation if staying in a b&b.
It doesn't include repairs or consumables.
So if you do 10 rounds that's £5k absolute minimum - I'd have thought these costs were a minimum standard as race entry, fuel and food costs pretty much the same wether you enter a metro, mini, porsche or caterham.
The expense really comes in the preperation of the car, ongoing testing and repairs throughout the season - that's where the differences in cost really show themselves.
Agree with the above - Repairs - If you have an off or a major blow up, the season costs ballooon. We've just had neither - come 6th in Mini Se7ens, competing in 9 of 10 rounds) on 4K. £400 a meeting. We do all our own prep including the motor. The rest of the budget is split between logistics and fuel, race fuel and feeding the animals. Overnight in tents and motorhome for the olds. Depends what you want to get out of it, the more you put in yourself the greater the rewards.I budget about around £500 per race weekend without testing.
That roughly includes race entry, fuel, food and accomodation if staying in a b&b.
It doesn't include repairs or consumables.
So if you do 10 rounds that's £5k absolute minimum - I'd have thought these costs were a minimum standard as race entry, fuel and food costs pretty much the same wether you enter a metro, mini, porsche or caterham.
The expense really comes in the preperation of the car, ongoing testing and repairs throughout the season - that's where the differences in cost really show themselves.
custardtart said:
I budget about around £500 per race weekend without testing.
I think that's a fair guide, but it does depend on exactly what you do. We can trailer to many of our races on the morning. Many of our people don't enter every round. We're a long way from cutting edge - some of our competitors are running tyres of very considerable vintage. Mechanics work for tea & sandwiches (and a free ride).So excluding an allowance for damage (quite rare), repairs (less rare), and major servicing, we probably squeak by closer to £250 per event.
HiRich said:
custardtart said:
I budget about around £500 per race weekend without testing.
I think that's a fair guide, but it does depend on exactly what you do. We can trailer to many of our races on the morning. Many of our people don't enter every round. We're a long way from cutting edge - some of our competitors are running tyres of very considerable vintage. Mechanics work for tea & sandwiches (and a free ride).So excluding an allowance for damage (quite rare), repairs (less rare), and major servicing, we probably squeak by closer to £250 per event.
For what I race I think the costs are about as low as you can go, Im also on year old tyres ( canvas
). I make my crew bring their own tea and sanwiches... and its surprising how comfy you can get kipping in the back of your carG
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