Who's next on Mad Max's list...?
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WTF is this prick on?
Jackie Stewart, 3 x times world champion labelled an idiot
Wants to ban all development in engines for 10 years!! Don't forget this was the Prick who forced through refueuling and grooved tyres and look what that did for the racing!!!
Martin Brundle, unprecedented 6 Royal Television Society Awards for his broadcasting is being sued (for his Sunday Times column) for questioning Mad Max's judgement
Now we hear that Ron Dennis, one of the most successful bosses in the history of F1 is being called a liar
It seems there is no stopping this guy. I know many of us brandish James Allen as 'The Cock' but I'm beginning to feel that there is a bigger Prick at the helm of the FIA!
Someone has to do something now before the start of the 08 season...
How could we prove to all the other manufacturers and teams that a split would be great for the sport and unlike in the US, a breakaway series would be the best thing for real Grand Prix racing on proper European circuits and not the mickey mouse ones that keep popping up in the Far East.
Jackie Stewart, 3 x times world champion labelled an idiot
Wants to ban all development in engines for 10 years!! Don't forget this was the Prick who forced through refueuling and grooved tyres and look what that did for the racing!!!
Martin Brundle, unprecedented 6 Royal Television Society Awards for his broadcasting is being sued (for his Sunday Times column) for questioning Mad Max's judgement
Now we hear that Ron Dennis, one of the most successful bosses in the history of F1 is being called a liar
It seems there is no stopping this guy. I know many of us brandish James Allen as 'The Cock' but I'm beginning to feel that there is a bigger Prick at the helm of the FIA!
Someone has to do something now before the start of the 08 season...
How could we prove to all the other manufacturers and teams that a split would be great for the sport and unlike in the US, a breakaway series would be the best thing for real Grand Prix racing on proper European circuits and not the mickey mouse ones that keep popping up in the Far East.
The Hypno-Toad said:
If you check your history books you'll find that certain members of his family had both ideas above their station, a tendancey towards arrogance & shall we say, a need to have everything go their own way with no questions asked...
I don't like a lot of the things Max Mosely does but I think the regular mentioning on this forum of his ancestors and the suggestion, subtle or not, that he has fascist or Nazi tendencies is unnecessary.SamHH said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
If you check your history books you'll find that certain members of his family had both ideas above their station, a tendancey towards arrogance & shall we say, a need to have everything go their own way with no questions asked...
I don't like a lot of the things Max Mosely does but I think the regular mentioning on this forum of his ancestors and the suggestion, subtle or not, that he has fascist or Nazi tendencies is unnecessary.Some might, however, find a great deal to criticise in his own behaviour. If one's critics believe that there are similarities between one's own behaviour and a particular political philosophy or mentality, they should be entitled to express their opinions - even Martin Brundle.
SamHH said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
If you check your history books you'll find that certain members of his family had both ideas above their station, a tendancey towards arrogance & shall we say, a need to have everything go their own way with no questions asked...
I don't like a lot of the things Max Mosely does but I think the regular mentioning on this forum of his ancestors and the suggestion, subtle or not, that he has fascist or Nazi tendencies is unnecessary.Just because history is unpalatable doesn't mean it shouldn't be mentioned.
SamHH said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
If you check your history books you'll find that certain members of his family had both ideas above their station, a tendancey towards arrogance & shall we say, a need to have everything go their own way with no questions asked...
I don't like a lot of the things Max Mosely does but I think the regular mentioning on this forum of his ancestors and the suggestion, subtle or not, that he has fascist or Nazi tendencies is unnecessary.Edited by kevin ritson on Monday 10th December 08:45
People should of course be entitled to express their opinions. My first post probably didn't convey my sentiment properly. I have no objection to the discussion of Oswald Mosely (although the Pie and Piston forum would be a better place for this), nor to the discussion of the fact the he was the father of Max Mosely.
However, when the latter is discussed, it seems that most often there is no attempt to talk about the relationship between the two people, nor even any serious attempt to look the characteristics of Max in comparison to those of Oswald, more just a vague implication that Max is predisposed to fascism or Nazism or that his actions are comparable to those of a fascist or Nazi supporter.
I have no objection to the discussion per se of the racing drivers and their sons that Piglet mentioned. When waffle or nonsense is talked about those people, there aren't any accusations of fascism or Nazism made.
However, when the latter is discussed, it seems that most often there is no attempt to talk about the relationship between the two people, nor even any serious attempt to look the characteristics of Max in comparison to those of Oswald, more just a vague implication that Max is predisposed to fascism or Nazism or that his actions are comparable to those of a fascist or Nazi supporter.
I have no objection to the discussion per se of the racing drivers and their sons that Piglet mentioned. When waffle or nonsense is talked about those people, there aren't any accusations of fascism or Nazism made.
Edited by SamHH on Monday 10th December 10:34
SamHH said:
People should of course be entitled to express their opinions. My first post probably didn't convey my sentiment properly. I have no objection to the discussion of Oswald Mosely (although the Pie and Piston forum would be a better place for this), nor to the discussion of the fact the he was the father of Max Mosely.
However, when the latter is discussed, it seems that most often there is no attempt to talk about the relationship between the two people, nor even any serious attempt to look the characteristics of Max in comparison to those of Oswald, more just a vague implication that Max is predisposed to fascism or Nazism or that his actions are comparable to those of a fascist or Nazi supporter.
I have no objection to the discussion per se of the racing drivers and their sons that Piglet mentioned. When waffle or nonsense is talked about those people, there aren't any accusations of fascism or Nazism made.
Oswald gets the bulk of the attention, although his wife, Max's mum Diana, appears to have been the primary force behind the couple's political and social values.However, when the latter is discussed, it seems that most often there is no attempt to talk about the relationship between the two people, nor even any serious attempt to look the characteristics of Max in comparison to those of Oswald, more just a vague implication that Max is predisposed to fascism or Nazism or that his actions are comparable to those of a fascist or Nazi supporter.
I have no objection to the discussion per se of the racing drivers and their sons that Piglet mentioned. When waffle or nonsense is talked about those people, there aren't any accusations of fascism or Nazism made.
SamHH said:
flemke said:
Oswald gets the bulk of the attention, although his wife, Max's mum Diana, appears to have been the primary force behind the couple's political and social values.
I vaguely remembered that but wasn't quite sure, or wasn't sure about who Max's mother was.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Mitford
If I could get my finger out I'd email the FIAa dn others to complain about the current shambles.
Oh and I'd also email the Daily Mail who had an article on Saturday which totally towed the FIA line.
I am sure there probably are faults on the McLaren side but the recent decisions of the FIA just stink.
Oh and I'd also email the Daily Mail who had an article on Saturday which totally towed the FIA line.
I am sure there probably are faults on the McLaren side but the recent decisions of the FIA just stink.
SamHH said:
flemke said:
Oswald gets the bulk of the attention, although his wife, Max's mum Diana, appears to have been the primary force behind the couple's political and social values.
I vaguely remembered that but wasn't quite sure, or wasn't sure about who Max's mother was.It always amuses me that whenever someone pops up saying how dreadful it is that the N word is mentioned it creates more discussion than the original post that contained the N word or reference to N'ism
SamHH said:
However, when the latter is discussed, it seems that most often there is no attempt to talk about the relationship between the two people, nor even any serious attempt to look the characteristics of Max in comparison to those of Oswald, more just a vague implication that Max is predisposed to fascism or Nazism or that his actions are comparable to those of a fascist or Nazi supporter.
Interestingly Wikipedia mentions that he was heavily involved (when he was 19) in canvassing for his fathers political party and that during a fracas he was charged with threating behaviour, later aquitted.There is also a mention on wiki that various newspapers linked him with Organisation de l'armée secrète (a far right french nationalist organisation involved in assassinations etc in Algeria).
Seems that the acorn really doesn't fall far from the tree?
Piglet said:
I don't wish to be rude but it seems odd SamHH that you're waving your hands about what ought or ought not to be discussed yet you seem to have a very scant knowledge of the subject?
It always amuses me that whenever someone pops up saying how dreadful it is that the N word is mentioned it creates more discussion than the original post that contained the N word or reference to N'ism
I don't know what you mean by "waving your hands". I'm not attempting to dictate what topics should or should not be discussed here. If that's what you think, then I may have miscommunicated. As I said before, I think discussion of Oswald Mosley, or Oswald Mosley's fatherhood of Max Mosley is fine. I think the same about discussion about any of Max's relatives and his relationships with them. I don't think it's dreadful to use the word Nazi. However, it seems to me that when Max's relatives are mentioned on here, most often it is in order to imply that because of those relatives and/or because of his actions as President of the FIA, Max has fascist or Nazi tendencies. I don't think it is fair to make this accusation on such a basis, although I do think it is right that people are allowed to make it. He does things that could be considered immoral or bad, but I don't think they are comparable with fascism or Nazism.It always amuses me that whenever someone pops up saying how dreadful it is that the N word is mentioned it creates more discussion than the original post that contained the N word or reference to N'ism
I think I know enough about Max Mosley's family to form valid opinions on the topic. In what way do you think my lack of knowledge about Max Mosley's family makes my opinions incorrect?
As it is know that Max Mosley campaigned on behalf of his Fathers party directly implying his support of their point of view, and to the best of my knowledge has never publicly stated that he was wrong to do so I am not sure how it can be wrong to suggest that he still holds those views. If there is evidence to the contrary I am happy to be corrected.
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