Race of Champions on TV this Sunday

[JonRB]

I thought it was a great shame in the last races (the final) that whilst there were 3 races only two types of cars were used.

Schumacher was clearly faster in the buggies and the other chap clearly faster in the silhouette race cars, so why run the deciding tie-break round back in the latter? Why not the Aston N24s? They would have been perfect for the final race of the day.

Edited by JonRB on Monday 17th December 16:15

[jellison]

TonyHetherington said:

chris_w said:

Muller crossed the line sideways then spun it into the barrier (and the Astons were not seen again)

I thoguht that was Kovaleinen? And the Astons were seen in the semi final I think it was.

yep it was.

[TonyHetherington]

Someone earlier mentioned that drivers weren't all allowed to drive every car (something to do with their contracts). Don't know how true that is, but it would certainly explain the seemingly irratic choice of what cars to use.

[chris_w]

jellison said:

TonyHetherington said:

chris_w said:

Muller crossed the line sideways then spun it into the barrier (and the Astons were not seen again)

I thoguht that was Kovaleinen? And the Astons were seen in the semi final I think it was.

yep it was.

Aha, please excuse the brain freeze...

Agree about the final, N24's would have been perfect, they looked and sounded the business.

[AngryS3Owner]

TonyHetherington said:

Someone earlier mentioned that drivers weren't all allowed to drive every car (something to do with their contracts). Don't know how true that is, but it would certainly explain the seemingly irratic choice of what cars to use.

Yep, earlier in the thread and it'd make sense (however annoying it was), however the fact one of the Aston's got bashed wouldn't have made any difference as they said they'd bought 3 of each car with them.

[IforB]

I'm still confused as to why they didn't use the Fiats in the final race. Schumi is obviously a Ferrari driver so would have had no problem in them, but he wasn't able to drive the Astons or Fords. Not sure if Ekstrom had the same problem though in driving a Fiat....... What a load of cobblers. Talk about corporate nonsense getting in the way of having a bit of fun.

I enjoyed watching it all on telly, It was great to hear Murray Walker again, even if he was pretty dire to start with. He got into it, but he needed a bit of help from the co-commentators who were all very good. Even Keith Heuwen!


The cameras work was pretty shocking though, not the fault of the camera men, but the editing and direction was awful in some parts, especially the fmx's. There also seemed to be a lack of information being given to the presenters, maybe the event was a bit chaotic, but they didn't seem to know what was going on half the time.

Minor stuff really, it was great fun and I might head down to see it live next year if it is in Wembley.

[s.m.h.]

Shuey was under contract not allowed to drive the Astons, so once he qualified for the finals that was the end of them being in the draw.
The 2 cars raced are privately owned, loaned to AMR for the RoC, the third which was crashed in practice,was owned by someone at AM.
Havent found out what the damage to the Kov. crash car is yet but will find out tomorrow!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWkV-5rGeXw&fea...

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JonRB said:

I thought it was a great shame in the last races (the final) that whilst there were 3 races only two types of cars were used.

Schumacher was clearly faster in the buggies and the other chap clearly faster in the silhouette race cars, so why run the deciding tie-break round back in the latter? Why not the Aston N24s? They would have been perfect for the final race of the day.

Edited by JonRB on Monday 17th December 16:15

I agree, why not put them both in the Fiats???

Althought I did have a chuckle when they tried to stick Shuey back in the red car and he was having none of it and got the yellow car in the end.

[JonRB]

Anyone who was there wouldn't have failed to be impressed with the "flying" camera system. Attached by 4 cables - one at each corner of the stadium - with presumably a computer translating the operators inputs into the vector mathematics required to make the 4 winches wind in / wind out the correct amount of cable to put the camera in virtually any 3D co-ordinate required. Quite amazing - to a geek like me at least.

[jellison]

s.m.h. said:

Shuey was under contract not allowed to drive the Astons, so once he qualified for the finals that was the end of them being in the draw.
The 2 cars raced are privately owned, loaned to AMR for the RoC, the third which was crashed in practice,was owned by someone at AM.
Havent found out what the damage to the Kov. crash car is yet but will find out tomorrow!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWkV-5rGeXw&fea...

You R kidding - yopu are trackinng this down - Why would you give a stuff about a few Aston vantage scuffed wings (nothing more that that - the barrier was only dense foam!).

Fiat were the dullest cars - er why cos they wer FWD.

[AlexS]

jellison said:

s.m.h. said:

Shuey was under contract not allowed to drive the Astons, so once he qualified for the finals that was the end of them being in the draw.
The 2 cars raced are privately owned, loaned to AMR for the RoC, the third which was crashed in practice,was owned by someone at AM.
Havent found out what the damage to the Kov. crash car is yet but will find out tomorrow!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWkV-5rGeXw&fea...

You R kidding - yopu are trackinng this down - Why would you give a stuff about a few Aston vantage scuffed wings (nothing more that that - the barrier was only dense foam!).

Fiat were the dullest cars - er why cos they wer FWD.

I think you will find that the Fiats were 4WD.

[tank slapper]

JonRB said:

Anyone who was there wouldn't have failed to be impressed with the "flying" camera system. Attached by 4 cables - one at each corner of the stadium - with presumably a computer translating the operators inputs into the vector mathematics required to make the 4 winches wind in / wind out the correct amount of cable to put the camera in virtually any 3D co-ordinate required. Quite amazing - to a geek like me at least.

Yes I noticed that too - very cool toy. I expect that the camera carrying bit was gyro stabilised as well, as it didn't seem to swing around much at all.

[Adrian W]

1 said:

JonRB said:

I thought it was a great shame in the last races (the final) that whilst there were 3 races only two types of cars were used.

Schumacher was clearly faster in the buggies and the other chap clearly faster in the silhouette race cars, so why run the deciding tie-break round back in the latter? Why not the Aston N24s? They would have been perfect for the final race of the day.

Edited by JonRB on Monday 17th December 16:15

I agree, why not put them both in the Fiats???

Althought I did have a chuckle when they tried to stick Shuey back in the red car and he was having none of it and got the yellow car in the end.

You could see that he really didnt like the way it turned in under braking and hated the car in the first heat of the final.

[stephen300o]

Adrian W said:

1 said:

JonRB said:

I thought it was a great shame in the last races (the final) that whilst there were 3 races only two types of cars were used.

Schumacher was clearly faster in the buggies and the other chap clearly faster in the silhouette race cars, so why run the deciding tie-break round back in the latter? Why not the Aston N24s? They would have been perfect for the final race of the day.

Edited by JonRB on Monday 17th December 16:15

I agree, why not put them both in the Fiats???

Althought I did have a chuckle when they tried to stick Shuey back in the red car and he was having none of it and got the yellow car in the end.

You could see that he really didnt like the way it turned in under braking and hated the car in the first heat of the final.

Those cars were understeering piles of junk, not very entertaining to watch at all.

[jellison]

stephen300o said:

Adrian W said:

1 said:

JonRB said:

I thought it was a great shame in the last races (the final) that whilst there were 3 races only two types of cars were used.

Schumacher was clearly faster in the buggies and the other chap clearly faster in the silhouette race cars, so why run the deciding tie-break round back in the latter? Why not the Aston N24s? They would have been perfect for the final race of the day.

Edited by JonRB on Monday 17th December 16:15

I agree, why not put them both in the Fiats???

Althought I did have a chuckle when they tried to stick Shuey back in the red car and he was having none of it and got the yellow car in the end.

You could see that he really didnt like the way it turned in under braking and hated the car in the first heat of the final.

Indeed - why else would I think they were FWD. S2000 regs seem to be peakier revers that do not have the GRUNT to drift like a big Turbo WRC - hope they are not the future - CRAP.

MORE ANTI-LAG MONSTERS (God those Focus's were the NUTS).

Those cars were understeering piles of junk, not very entertaining to watch at all.

[RichB]

jellison said:

Got duffed up by a EVO on the way home - top bloke on the A40. My car was just spinning up at 70 - 80mph and going sideways in 4th!

So you should've sorted the handling out Jelly instead of stuffing a yank block in there

[TonyHetherington]

JonRB said:

Anyone who was there wouldn't have failed to be impressed with the "flying" camera system. Attached by 4 cables - one at each corner of the stadium - with presumably a computer translating the operators inputs into the vector mathematics required to make the 4 winches wind in / wind out the correct amount of cable to put the camera in virtually any 3D co-ordinate required. Quite amazing - to a geek like me at least.

Hello fellow geek. I spent ages looking at that and working out all the bits and pieces how it was controlled, how they'd control it (if you see what I mean). Thought it was superb, and not intrusive at all!

Amazing to think that just a couple of years ago they really only had them running rigidly down the cnetre, for example. I thought it was excellent

[jellison]

RichB said:

jellison said:

Got duffed up by a EVO on the way home - top bloke on the A40. My car was just spinning up at 70 - 80mph and going sideways in 4th!

So you should've sorted the handling out Jelly instead of stuffing a yank block in there

[s.m.h.]

jellison said:

s.m.h. said:

Shuey was under contract not allowed to drive the Astons, so once he qualified for the finals that was the end of them being in the draw.
The 2 cars raced are privately owned, loaned to AMR for the RoC, the third which was crashed in practice,was owned by someone at AM.
Havent found out what the damage to the Kov. crash car is yet but will find out tomorrow!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWkV-5rGeXw&fea...

You R kidding - yopu are trackinng this down - Why would you give a stuff about a few Aston vantage scuffed wings (nothing more that that - the barrier was only dense foam!).

Fiat were the dullest cars - er why cos they wer FWD.

Have a look on my website, notice any similarity?? Thats why I know...
Had a meeting with the owners yesterday, AMR are repairing them before returning. Foam walls or not, if the impact can spin the car round like that it can crack the composite wings very easily.

[jellison]

s.m.h. said:

jellison said:

s.m.h. said:

Shuey was under contract not allowed to drive the Astons, so once he qualified for the finals that was the end of them being in the draw.
The 2 cars raced are privately owned, loaned to AMR for the RoC, the third which was crashed in practice,was owned by someone at AM.
Havent found out what the damage to the Kov. crash car is yet but will find out tomorrow!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWkV-5rGeXw&fea...

You R kidding - yopu are trackinng this down - Why would you give a stuff about a few Aston vantage scuffed wings (nothing more that that - the barrier was only dense foam!).

Fiat were the dullest cars - er why cos they wer FWD.

Have a look on my website, notice any similarity?? Thats why I know...
Had a meeting with the owners yesterday, AMR are repairing them before returning. Foam walls or not, if the impact can spin the car round like that it can crack the composite wings very easily.

Far enough so all smacks sorted by the Manuafacturers as you would expect!

Just publicity for flogging a few more cars. Did sounds nice. Mate has one - nice ride (needs a Supercharger / couple of Turbos obviously).