Formula One Drivers aren't as good as....
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Nickthebassist said:
....rally, touring, or GT drivers. Discuss.
The reason for this is that I personally believe F1 drivers have too many driver aids, such as launch control etc. Another thing that sparked this off was when Martin Brundle said the TVR T440R was too raw for him. Bloody woofter.
Do you really think that Martin Brundle had any problems driving a T440R?The reason for this is that I personally believe F1 drivers have too many driver aids, such as launch control etc. Another thing that sparked this off was when Martin Brundle said the TVR T440R was too raw for him. Bloody woofter.
nah, F1 is pinnacle of motorsports, though obviously not as extreme as in the days of turbocharging & pre-traction control - the g-forces that drivers are subjected are akin to flying jet aircraft than tamer motorsports like touring cars etc.
rally is a different game, i think - don't think the best F1 guys could challenge the top rally drivers, and obviously vice versa.
rally is a different game, i think - don't think the best F1 guys could challenge the top rally drivers, and obviously vice versa.
Edited by fido on Friday 21st December 22:56
Martin Brundle was actually pretty good in F3, I saw him racing Ayrton Senna at Donington and they were bloody close, nothing in it really. But I think he turned into a great big girls blouse in F1.
I think they have to be incredibly good (at PR and sponsor-management as well as driving) to get into F1, but then they can be so-so.
Still a lot better than 99% of us reading about them.
I think they have to be incredibly good (at PR and sponsor-management as well as driving) to get into F1, but then they can be so-so.
Still a lot better than 99% of us reading about them.
Surely they are completly different?
remember when Mansell took up touring cars? he was usless!
F1 - outright speed, having the balls to corner at 150 mph etc, even the slightest bump can throw a car off.
Touring cars - almost a contact sport, nose to tail with other cars
Rallying - usually have a top speed of under 100mph, but have to control a car on changing surface, off the ground etc
remember when Mansell took up touring cars? he was usless!
F1 - outright speed, having the balls to corner at 150 mph etc, even the slightest bump can throw a car off.
Touring cars - almost a contact sport, nose to tail with other cars
Rallying - usually have a top speed of under 100mph, but have to control a car on changing surface, off the ground etc
tvrbob said:
Rally driver's drive tuned up road cars. Yes they are good at their job but F1 is simply a different league. F1 driver aids? They don't have any.
In the lower classes, yes. At the top rungs the only thing that comes from the road car is the shell- and none of it structural by the time it gets to a stage.F1 uses no driver aids? Have you been falling asleep to a different F1 to the rest of the world?
Parrot of Doom said:
Lets see the rally drivers do what they do without pace notes then.
Oh, I see, F1 drivers don't get to see the track before they race on it then.Rally drivers have to contend with vastly different conditions from their recces. F1 drivers just have to learn on average, say, a 2 mile track, and have loads of telemtry to record their performance.
Rally drivers have at most a couple of goes through a special stage at limited speeds in a Gp N car to survey their route.
Race drivers test, test and test before a race. They hone their cars to the track as best they can, but generally before a race have done a lot of miles and are tuned in to the car and circuit conditions.
There is no comparison, each are superlative in their own fields.
I have raced single seaters and rallied at International level - believe me, the disciplines are quite different apart from one basic - If you can drive, you can drive...
Unless you have done both, you can't comment from a position of experience.
Parrot of Doom said:
Lets see the rally drivers do what they do without pace notes then.
Lets see how Formula one drivers do in the woods on gravel. It's a bit of a redundant point.Different disciplines, different skills needed to compete at the top level. It's a bit like saying "Who's better, a rugby player or a footballer." None are any less impressive than the other. The one thing that can't be disputed is that driving either to the very limits of what the vehile can do takes balls of steel!
Comparing Touring cars, or any other track racing, to F1 is more logical.
Baby Scuff said:
Surely they are completly different?
remember when Mansell took up touring cars? he was usless!
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Your memory is obviously different to mine. Apart from being puted off by Tiff the Biff which was not Mansell's fault I recall he did a double heaser event. The first race he was pushed all over the place as he was driving as though in an F1 car and treating it as a non contact sport. The second race was a different kettle of fish in which he started from the back, was leading towards the end of the race and ended up third IIRC as he had cooked his tyres.remember when Mansell took up touring cars? he was usless!
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I remember Jogn Clelland having to eat his words having said that Mansell would be useless.
Unless I dreamt it all of course!
ETA: This review if Mansell's career corrects my memory - sorry!
Driving a Highly uncompetitive Ford Mondeo Mansell made a short return into racing for the British Touring Car Championship in 1998.This would be the fans last Glimpse of Mansell at his very best at Donington Park The rain fell extremely hard as he raced from last in the 1st corner to leading the race for a number of laps. Mansell's fans regarded him as "One of The Greatest" in Touring Car Championship's. Mansell finally finished the race in 5th place.
Edited by tyre_tread on Friday 21st December 23:55
This is just flamebait. Given the choice of Total Recall/System Shock skillset, I'd take Rally Driver or maybe Big Bike Track God, but thats just my preference. Theres plenty of vids on YT of bike guys beating rally guys beating F1 guys beating TC guys beating whoever.
If you're good, you're good and that should be a cause for celebration and competition, not mud-slinging.
If you're good, you're good and that should be a cause for celebration and competition, not mud-slinging.
Edited by glazbagun on Saturday 22 December 00:21
Which code has the best footballers? League or Union?
By the time you get to F1, WRC, Moto GP, you're dealing with highly specialised skills, not generic driving. They can all drive/ride very well, and better at their specialisations than others. Trying to compare across disciplines is pointless.
Stick a WRC driver and F1 driver in a 250cc superkart, and you'll probably find that the F1 driver will be better. Stick them in dune buggies, and the WRC driver will find himself more at home.
Apples to oranges.
Apart from Hammond's attempt at driving the Renault 2006 F1 car, there is also a video of a RAF Tornado pilot, S/L Graeme Bagnall of No.2 Sqn, driving a Williams 2007 car at Silverstone Short circuit earlier this year. He did a lap time in the order of 1m 25s in the F1 car after receiving tuition on the simulator, a BMW road car, and a F3 car. Even Adrian Sutil drove faster in his Spyker F1 on the full-length circuit!
By the time you get to F1, WRC, Moto GP, you're dealing with highly specialised skills, not generic driving. They can all drive/ride very well, and better at their specialisations than others. Trying to compare across disciplines is pointless.
Stick a WRC driver and F1 driver in a 250cc superkart, and you'll probably find that the F1 driver will be better. Stick them in dune buggies, and the WRC driver will find himself more at home.
Apples to oranges.
Apart from Hammond's attempt at driving the Renault 2006 F1 car, there is also a video of a RAF Tornado pilot, S/L Graeme Bagnall of No.2 Sqn, driving a Williams 2007 car at Silverstone Short circuit earlier this year. He did a lap time in the order of 1m 25s in the F1 car after receiving tuition on the simulator, a BMW road car, and a F3 car. Even Adrian Sutil drove faster in his Spyker F1 on the full-length circuit!
Edited by Jungles on Saturday 22 December 00:48
Jungles said:
Which code has the best footballers? League or Union?
By the time you get to F1, WRC, Moto GP, you're dealing with highly specialised skills, not generic driving. They can all drive/ride very well, and better at their specialisations than others. Trying to compare across disciplines is pointless.
Stick a WRC driver and F1 driver in a 250cc superkart, and you'll probably find that the F1 driver will be better. Stick them in dune buggies, and the WRC driver will find himself more at home.
Apples to oranges.
agree 100%By the time you get to F1, WRC, Moto GP, you're dealing with highly specialised skills, not generic driving. They can all drive/ride very well, and better at their specialisations than others. Trying to compare across disciplines is pointless.
Stick a WRC driver and F1 driver in a 250cc superkart, and you'll probably find that the F1 driver will be better. Stick them in dune buggies, and the WRC driver will find himself more at home.
Apples to oranges.
I will add that there are possibly some F1 drivers out there with not particularly impressive car control skills. Anyone who thinks they are all driving gods, in the broad "car control, through large slip angles" sense of the term, might be mistaken. They can drive an F1 car though, so fair play!
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