Can Brawn really turn around the fortunes of Honda?
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There is a lot of talk coming from Honda about their facilities but to date they have not really delivered, so can Brawn really turn them around into a title contender within the next 2-3 years?
It would be great to see a new breed of winner, with Newey at Red Bull and Brawn at Honda it would be a refreshing change to have those two fighting for a championship instead of the McLaren and Ferrari's.
We might then have a championship fought on the track and not in the court room!!
It would be great to see a new breed of winner, with Newey at Red Bull and Brawn at Honda it would be a refreshing change to have those two fighting for a championship instead of the McLaren and Ferrari's.
We might then have a championship fought on the track and not in the court room!!
Edited by motormania on Monday 24th December 11:27
In a word, yes.
Honda's problem has always been Nick Fry... er, sorry - management and strategy issues. They have the funding; they're based in Northamptonshire so they've probably got the engineers and they seem to have the desire. Now they're got 'A yoo-neek finker' on board, I don't see any reason why they can't turn it around.
I don't know why the rule makers are still messing with F1 - with the rules as they are we're on the brink of a golden era for F1 competition: by 2009 Ferrari, McLaren, Honda, BMW, Red Bull and Williams could all be fighting for victories. The last thing it needs is more destabilisation from the FIA.
Honda's problem has always been Nick Fry... er, sorry - management and strategy issues. They have the funding; they're based in Northamptonshire so they've probably got the engineers and they seem to have the desire. Now they're got 'A yoo-neek finker' on board, I don't see any reason why they can't turn it around.
I don't know why the rule makers are still messing with F1 - with the rules as they are we're on the brink of a golden era for F1 competition: by 2009 Ferrari, McLaren, Honda, BMW, Red Bull and Williams could all be fighting for victories. The last thing it needs is more destabilisation from the FIA.
MrKipling43 said:
I don't know why the rule makers are still messing with F1 - with the rules as they are we're on the brink of a golden era for F1 competition: by 2009 Ferrari, McLaren, Honda, BMW, Red Bull and Williams could all be fighting for victories. The last thing it needs is more destabilisation from Max staying on at the FIA.
MrKipling43 said:
In a word, yes.
Honda's problem has always been Nick Fry... er, sorry - management and strategy issues. They have the funding; they're based in Northamptonshire so they've probably got the engineers and they seem to have the desire. Now they're got 'A yoo-neek finker' on board, I don't see any reason why they can't turn it around.
agree with that, although it will take more than a year to turn them round IMHOHonda's problem has always been Nick Fry... er, sorry - management and strategy issues. They have the funding; they're based in Northamptonshire so they've probably got the engineers and they seem to have the desire. Now they're got 'A yoo-neek finker' on board, I don't see any reason why they can't turn it around.
Scuffers said:
MrKipling43 said:
In a word, yes.
Honda's problem has always been Nick Fry... er, sorry - management and strategy issues. They have the funding; they're based in Northamptonshire so they've probably got the engineers and they seem to have the desire. Now they're got 'A yoo-neek finker' on board, I don't see any reason why they can't turn it around.
agree with that, although it will take more than a year to turn them round IMHOHonda's problem has always been Nick Fry... er, sorry - management and strategy issues. They have the funding; they're based in Northamptonshire so they've probably got the engineers and they seem to have the desire. Now they're got 'A yoo-neek finker' on board, I don't see any reason why they can't turn it around.
I think we'll start seeing the benefit in late '08, with the possibility of them regularly challenging in 2009.
MrKipling43 said:
Scuffers said:
MrKipling43 said:
In a word, yes.
Honda's problem has always been Nick Fry... er, sorry - management and strategy issues. They have the funding; they're based in Northamptonshire so they've probably got the engineers and they seem to have the desire. Now they're got 'A yoo-neek finker' on board, I don't see any reason why they can't turn it around.
agree with that, although it will take more than a year to turn them round IMHOHonda's problem has always been Nick Fry... er, sorry - management and strategy issues. They have the funding; they're based in Northamptonshire so they've probably got the engineers and they seem to have the desire. Now they're got 'A yoo-neek finker' on board, I don't see any reason why they can't turn it around.
I think we'll start seeing the benefit in late '08, with the possibility of them regularly challenging in 2009.
For the sake of the engineers working their socks off in Brackley, I hope people remember this if Honda are on form early in the season and don't heap all the admiration onto Brawn.
Personally, I don't think they'll be challenging for wins early in the season, but I think 08 will be a much better season than 07. Fingers crossed they'll be racing Williams and BMW in the mid field rather than the tail end of the field as in 07.
Personally, I don't think they'll be challenging for wins early in the season, but I think 08 will be a much better season than 07. Fingers crossed they'll be racing Williams and BMW in the mid field rather than the tail end of the field as in 07.
MrKipling43 said:
In a word, yes.
Honda's problem has always been Nick Fry... er, sorry - management and strategy issues. They have the funding; they're based in Northamptonshire so they've probably got the engineers and they seem to have the desire. Now they're got 'A yoo-neek finker' on board, I don't see any reason why they can't turn it around.
From what I've read its nothing to do with Nick Fry.Honda's problem has always been Nick Fry... er, sorry - management and strategy issues. They have the funding; they're based in Northamptonshire so they've probably got the engineers and they seem to have the desire. Now they're got 'A yoo-neek finker' on board, I don't see any reason why they can't turn it around.
Can't remember where i read it but Nick Fry has constantly been flying to Japan this year showing the ideas that the UK team has to improve the car, and the Japanese have not signed off any of it. The Japanese office have also come up with some fairly dumb ideas, and then made the UK team develop them, which wouldn't of worked from the start.
Quite simply, the Japanese backers need to take a back seat and let the UK team get on with the job in hand.
You can bet your life that Brawn has a contract that doesn't involve flying to Japan every other week getting development signed off.
Autosport have an interesting article on what RB neds to do, basically it a reorganising job. They have many top class people already there, but it seems as if there has been little direction or cohesive thinking. It sounds as if the CFD dept, was pretty much non-functional and looking at the state of this years car in respect to aerodynamic stablity and performance, that seems right on the money.
It'll take at least a year to see any design benefit, but strategy wise I can imagine Brawn making a real impact.
RB is a stragiht talker and thinker, exactly what Honda need. If he doesn't have a massive positive impact, I'll be very, very surprised.
Personally I think it's a match made in heaven and the big rule changes for 2009 will even the differences anyway. With RB around, I have a feeling Honda may be the surprise of 2009. I just hope Button can stick it out until then, but I doubt that will really be a problem, he'll see what's coming long before any of us.
It'll take at least a year to see any design benefit, but strategy wise I can imagine Brawn making a real impact.
RB is a stragiht talker and thinker, exactly what Honda need. If he doesn't have a massive positive impact, I'll be very, very surprised.
Personally I think it's a match made in heaven and the big rule changes for 2009 will even the differences anyway. With RB around, I have a feeling Honda may be the surprise of 2009. I just hope Button can stick it out until then, but I doubt that will really be a problem, he'll see what's coming long before any of us.
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