Lewis beginning to incur my displeasure again.....

Lewis beginning to incur my displeasure again.....

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Tony 1234

3,465 posts

227 months

Friday 28th December 2007
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ph123 said:
Don't agree with you.
I don't really care about his personality and if he proves to be the fastest, the most aggressive and consistently runs at the front, then it's job done.
(Fact is, he's a lovely guy, but he knows what he wants, how to get there which will mean determination. And apparently that's what you guys don't like. With respect, you sound like a bunch of poufs. Just like you couldn't cope with Schumacher. Doubtless in order to win, he will display character traits that will incur more of your displeasure.)
For entertainment, I'd turn to the pit girls.
Err, but I DO like LH, and I always have done, never said I didn't, just read his book and it confirms what a great guy he is.

Tony

ph123

1,841 posts

218 months

Friday 28th December 2007
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Sorry Tony, not you! Generalisations, as ever, are crap.

Ecurie Ecosse

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4,812 posts

218 months

Friday 28th December 2007
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Michael was my favourite driver until he retired, so the ruthlessness has nothing to do with it.

And I am heterosexual - so being a "pouf" has nothing to do with it ; )

I may be being a bit shallow by disliking Lewis due his, IMHO, two-faced approach and should focus more on his performance on the track.

But I can't - I find it hard to separate the driver from the personality.

ph123

1,841 posts

218 months

Friday 28th December 2007
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... a pathetic view, imho.

Rocky Balboa

1,308 posts

200 months

Friday 28th December 2007
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ph123 said:
... a pathetic view, imho.
Agreed.

EE your not MadMax are you? Because your beginning to sound like him!

flemke

22,865 posts

237 months

Friday 28th December 2007
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Ecurie Ecosse said:
Michael was my favourite driver until he retired, so the ruthlessness has nothing to do with it.

And I am heterosexual - so being a "pouf" has nothing to do with it ; )

I may be being a bit shallow by disliking Lewis due his, IMHO, two-faced approach and should focus more on his performance on the track.

But I can't - I find it hard to separate the driver from the personality.
What about him is "two-faced"?

Ecurie Ecosse

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4,812 posts

218 months

Friday 28th December 2007
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It was his very quick transition from "I'm so lucky to be here", which was refreshing, to the rather boastful individual he has turned into.

It is hard for me to describe. I found Eddie Irvine's boastful comments rather amusing, as there were done in an almost tongue in cheek, caricature way.

On reflection, describing this aspect of Lewis as "two faced" was probably wrong, as the change has occured over time.

I am probably being swayed too much by ITVs coverage which encourages Lewis to make boastful remarks.

I am happy to be proven wrong and, in the interest of fairness, I am going to mentally wipe the slate clean of my negative feelings for Lewis for the 2008 season.


stephen300o

15,464 posts

228 months

Friday 28th December 2007
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He must be pretending one of his personas. Is he humble and puts on arrogance to appear invulnerable, or is he arrogant and puts on humble for the media and temporary hangers-on. Either way he seems to have a "what would Ayrton say/do now" air to him, i.e. fake.

Heebeegeetee

28,760 posts

248 months

Friday 28th December 2007
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flemke said:
Ecurie Ecosse said:
Michael was my favourite driver until he retired, so the ruthlessness has nothing to do with it.

And I am heterosexual - so being a "pouf" has nothing to do with it ; )

I may be being a bit shallow by disliking Lewis due his, IMHO, two-faced approach and should focus more on his performance on the track.

But I can't - I find it hard to separate the driver from the personality.
What about him is "two-faced"?
He's as single minded as the best of them, i'd have thought.

flemke

22,865 posts

237 months

Friday 28th December 2007
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I think the guy is just being realistic and candid:

- He is lucky to be there (as are the other 21 drivers).
- He is very good relative to his competitors (as are a few of the other 21 drivers).

haggle

841 posts

213 months

Friday 28th December 2007
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you cant do what he dose and not have a certain level of self belief imo, i suggest you stop the lewis bashing forthwith for a young guy hes dealt with a lot this year rather well i think

Ecurie Ecosse

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4,812 posts

218 months

Friday 28th December 2007
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As I said, I'm going to wipe the slate clean re Lewis for next season.

deadslow

8,000 posts

223 months

Friday 28th December 2007
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haggle said:
i suggest you stop the lewis bashing forthwith for a young guy hes dealt with a lot this year rather well i think
We don't all have to support Hamilton, and it would be dull if we did. His driving speaks for itself and you would be hard pressed to find fault, given his limited experience in F1 (he did bottle it last year).

However, Hamilton is marketed at us incessantly, off track, so we are entitled (encouraged even) to form an opinion about 'him'. Some people don't find him as appealing off track; I am one.

To actively support a driver you probably need to admire his driving capabilities plus find some emotional response to the person.

One man's new messiah is another's smug little twonk. But that's ok, as I said, we don't all have to support Hamilton.

flemke

22,865 posts

237 months

Friday 28th December 2007
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deadslow said:
haggle said:
i suggest you stop the lewis bashing forthwith for a young guy hes dealt with a lot this year rather well i think
We don't all have to support Hamilton, and it would be dull if we did. His driving speaks for itself and you would be hard pressed to find fault, given his limited experience in F1 (he did bottle it last year).

However, Hamilton is marketed at us incessantly, off track, so we are entitled (encouraged even) to form an opinion about 'him'. Some people don't find him as appealing off track; I am one.

To actively support a driver you probably need to admire his driving capabilities plus find some emotional response to the person.

One man's new messiah is another's smug little twonk. But that's ok, as I said, we don't all have to support Hamilton.
Why must you react to the media's and sponsors' behaviour by forming an opinion about him?
Why don't you react to their bad taste and overkill by instead forming an opinion about the clowns who are flogging to death his image?
As a contracted driver, Hamilton has almost no control over how or how often sponsors such as Vodafone and Abbey use his image. Likewise, he's not the one deciding how much coverage ITV and the other desperate, low-rent British media give to him.

deadslow

8,000 posts

223 months

Friday 28th December 2007
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flemke said:
deadslow said:
haggle said:
i suggest you stop the lewis bashing forthwith for a young guy hes dealt with a lot this year rather well i think
We don't all have to support Hamilton, and it would be dull if we did. His driving speaks for itself and you would be hard pressed to find fault, given his limited experience in F1 (he did bottle it last year).

However, Hamilton is marketed at us incessantly, off track, so we are entitled (encouraged even) to form an opinion about 'him'. Some people don't find him as appealing off track; I am one.

To actively support a driver you probably need to admire his driving capabilities plus find some emotional response to the person.

One man's new messiah is another's smug little twonk. But that's ok, as I said, we don't all have to support Hamilton.
Why must you react to the media's and sponsors' behaviour by forming an opinion about him?
Why don't you react to their bad taste and overkill by instead forming an opinion about the clowns who are flogging to death his image?
As a contracted driver, Hamilton has almost no control over how or how often sponsors such as Vodafone and Abbey use his image. Likewise, he's not the one deciding how much coverage ITV and the other desperate, low-rent British media give to him.
I am largely unaware of the media's and sponsors' behaviour since I do not read the tabloids nor watch much television. I do watch the ITV F1 coverage and follow the usual F1 related websites.

My opinion of Hamilton is necessitated by my interest in F1. As an enthusiast I must surely form an opinion of every driver and every team, and also of the general state of the sport.

I do get my information from various media, but my strongest impressions of Hamilton have been formed when he has been interviewed on the telly. After watching him drive, and listening to him speak, I don't actively support him. That doesn't make me some gormless fool. It just means I root for a couple of other guys before Lewis. That, I believe, is the basis of the sport - we all support different drivers and teams and its a great competition and spectacle to see who wins.

I wish people on here would relax a bit.

JackGTA

270 posts

220 months

Friday 28th December 2007
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deadslow said:
I am largely unaware of the media's and sponsors' behaviour since I do not read the tabloids nor watch much television. I do watch the ITV F1 coverage and follow the usual F1 related websites.

My opinion of Hamilton is necessitated by my interest in F1. As an enthusiast I must surely form an opinion of every driver and every team, and also of the general state of the sport.

I do get my information from various media, but my strongest impressions of Hamilton have been formed when he has been interviewed on the telly. After watching him drive, and listening to him speak, I don't actively support him. That doesn't make me some gormless fool. It just means I root for a couple of other guys before Lewis. That, I believe, is the basis of the sport - we all support different drivers and teams and its a great competition and spectacle to see who wins.

I wish people on here would relax a bit.
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Totally agree.

I'm of the same opinion as EE in the first post too. There's something that I can't put my finger on, but I just don't really find myself supporting LH. We don't all have to love him just because he's the new British hope.

custardtart

1,725 posts

253 months

Friday 28th December 2007
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op sounds like a ponce

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

255 months

Friday 28th December 2007
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Ecurie Ecosse said:
It is his personality that grates with me occasionally. At the start of the season he was quite humble, but now is quite sure of himself. Nothing wrong with this in itself, but there is something about him which I can't take to. The ITV coverage doesn't help.

I think it's his lack of consistency in his comments and his insincerity.

Perhaps it's a failing on my part....
No, don't worry...

Your imagination's working just fine....

kusee pee

1,021 posts

203 months

Friday 28th December 2007
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I think that Lewis did a good job in the first half of the season but dropped the ball big-time in the final three races. Could you see Senna or Schumi doing that in their first season if they were in the best car? Lewis said that this season should not been seen as a disappointment for him - I think that if it had been Senna he would have won comfortably given such a position and been totally gutted if he hadn't. Lewis should appreciate that chances to be champion may not come his way again. His good work this season was largely down to Alonso losing it mentally - which was a big surprise to me and many others. So...Lewis is undoubtedly a very good driver but he blew it this year.

flemke

22,865 posts

237 months

Friday 28th December 2007
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kusee pee said:
I think that Lewis did a good job in the first half of the season but dropped the ball big-time in the final three races.
Third-from-last race was Japan, which Hamilton won in a torrential rainstorm. A lot of drivers would have liked to drop the ball that well.