Lewis beginning to incur my displeasure again.....
Discussion
flemke said:
kusee pee said:
I think that Lewis did a good job in the first half of the season but dropped the ball big-time in the final three races.
Third-from-last race was Japan, which Hamilton won in a torrential rainstorm. A lot of drivers would have liked to drop the ball that well.haggle said:
kusee pee said:
he blew it this year.
so coming second in the world championship is blowing this year please elaborate i think how many other drivers on that grid in the past have had competitive cars and more experince and still not been able to achieve such a placing I thought it was the team that blew it in the end actually.
And make no mistake, what Hamilton did in Japan was just plain amazing. Not one error on a day that was a death trap; almost impossible conditions.
As was some of the audacity of his racing earlier in the year. Outbraking Kimi, round the outside of his 2 time world champion team mate, etc.
And people come on here complaining about some mysterious attitude they imagine he has?
Just tosh imho
And make no mistake, what Hamilton did in Japan was just plain amazing. Not one error on a day that was a death trap; almost impossible conditions.
As was some of the audacity of his racing earlier in the year. Outbraking Kimi, round the outside of his 2 time world champion team mate, etc.
And people come on here complaining about some mysterious attitude they imagine he has?
Just tosh imho
kusee pee said:
haggle said:
kusee pee said:
he blew it this year.
so coming second in the world championship is blowing this year please elaborate i think how many other drivers on that grid in the past have had competitive cars and more experince and still not been able to achieve such a placing ph123 said:
deadslow said:
ph123 said:
what Hamilton did in Japan was just plain amazing. Not one error on a day that was a death trap; almost impossible conditions.
Webber definitely does not concur, but what does he know?Anyway I though Kimi's battle from last to third was more impressive than Hamilton getting to first from, erm, first.
Well, a 'better' job would have been by definition, causing more chaos without getting caught.
Agreed, Kimi was great. But I tell you, starting a fresh lap when the pace car's just gone in with said 2 time WC trying to get by, wrong temperatures and pressures, not knowing how the track will be at full speed, is courageous in the extreme.
I'm no particular fan of Hamilton's but by any measure, that drive was absolute class.
Agreed, Kimi was great. But I tell you, starting a fresh lap when the pace car's just gone in with said 2 time WC trying to get by, wrong temperatures and pressures, not knowing how the track will be at full speed, is courageous in the extreme.
I'm no particular fan of Hamilton's but by any measure, that drive was absolute class.
stephen300o said:
ph123 said:
deadslow said:
ph123 said:
what Hamilton did in Japan was just plain amazing. Not one error on a day that was a death trap; almost impossible conditions.
Webber definitely does not concur, but what does he know?Anyway I though Kimi's battle from last to third was more impressive than Hamilton getting to first from, erm, first.
Also, it is normally easier to overtake in the wet because there is no single racing line.
Finally, in Japan there were no fewer than eight retirements, many by cars that would have been expected to finish ahead of Raikkonen, had they finished.
Not taking anything away from one of the world's greatest drivers, just trying to put things in perspective.
deadslow said:
That, I believe, is the basis of the sport - we all support different drivers and teams and its a great competition and spectacle to see who wins.
I have to say i couldn't disagree more. I've never really seen 'supporting' a driver as part of motorsport at all.To my mind a true enthusiast watches motor racing for what it is, and he may well have his favourite driver or drivers, but that's not the same as say, a football fan supporting his home team.
A football club traditionally does need the support of its home crowd, but i can't see how anyone can actually 'support' a driver. I rather imagine Lewis needs my help and support as much as he needs a hole in the head.
Having said all that i shall be cheering Lewis all the way, simply because i've never been so excited about a new driver. Lewis blew all the form books away last season, he just tore the rule book (on how to be a driver new to F1) and chucked it in the bin. He made last season, he virtually single handedly provided all the spectacle and excitement. Without him, we would have watched a thoroughly conventional year, with the two (supposedly) top drivers going through an entirely straightforward season, much the same as countless seasons before.
As for Lewises personality - i can't see any way in which i can glean or form an opinion, because soundbites off TV surely count for nothing. What you learn has probably more to do with the editing of the film more than any input from the driver concerned.
So, so long as Lewis doesn't take up paedophilia or some such, i can't see the point in getting excited about anyone else. I mean, Jenson? Oh yeah, he really wants to win doesn't he. He's left no stone unturned in the desire to get in the best car...
Heebeegeetee said:
deadslow said:
That, I believe, is the basis of the sport - we all support different drivers and teams and its a great competition and spectacle to see who wins.
Having said all that i shall be cheering Lewis all the way, simply because i've never been so excited about a new driver. Lewis blew all the form books away last season, he just tore the rule book (on how to be a driver new to F1) and chucked it in the bin. He made last season, he virtually single handedly provided all the spectacle and excitement. Without him, we would have watched a thoroughly conventional year, with the two (supposedly) top drivers going through an entirely straightforward season, much the same as countless seasons before.As flemke said - to put things in perspective - Lewis equalled JV's first season achievements in F1 - four wins and second place in the WDC.
JV went on to win the WDC in his second season in F1 - LH will have to do that to at least equal JV's feat.
For a start, JV didn't have a 2 time World Champion as a team mate, one that had vanquished a Schumacher twice.
As for perspective, this thread was a luke warm appreciation of poorly gleaned info about his character. The suggestion is that we stuff that and look at what he achieved and the style he achieved it in, despite the best/worst efforts of team and team mate.
We witnessed imho something amazingly spectacular in his arrival on the scene and on the balance of high points and low points, it's absurd to suggest anything else.
As for perspective, this thread was a luke warm appreciation of poorly gleaned info about his character. The suggestion is that we stuff that and look at what he achieved and the style he achieved it in, despite the best/worst efforts of team and team mate.
We witnessed imho something amazingly spectacular in his arrival on the scene and on the balance of high points and low points, it's absurd to suggest anything else.
deadslow said:
flemke said:
Not taking anything away from one of the world's greatest drivers, just trying to put things in perspective.
1. Yeah right2. Whose perspective?
If you think that some of this is wrong:
flemke said:
Kimi's battle up the order was hugely helped by the fact that he refueled out of sequence, thanks to his team's starting on illegal tyres but not being punished for having done so.
Also, it is normally easier to overtake in the wet because there is no single racing line.
Finally, in Japan there were no fewer than eight retirements, many by cars that would have been expected to finish ahead of Raikkonen, had they finished.
then by all means please enlighten me. Also, it is normally easier to overtake in the wet because there is no single racing line.
Finally, in Japan there were no fewer than eight retirements, many by cars that would have been expected to finish ahead of Raikkonen, had they finished.
If you don't like it simply because it takes the edge off someone's hagiography of Kimi or the lowlife team he works for, that would not mean a lot.
Cheers.
Heebeegeetee said:
deadslow said:
That, I believe, is the basis of the sport - we all support different drivers and teams and its a great competition and spectacle to see who wins.
I have to say i couldn't disagree more. I've never really seen 'supporting' a driver as part of motorsport at all.To my mind a true enthusiast watches motor racing for what it is, and he may well have his favourite driver or drivers, but that's not the same as say, a football fan supporting his home team.
A football club traditionally does need the support of its home crowd, but i can't see how anyone can actually 'support' a driver. I rather imagine Lewis needs my help and support as much as he needs a hole in the head.
Plenty of drivers (maybe less so in the closed confine of a F1 mit Hans Device) have claimed to have been lifted by the support of the crowd.
308mate said:
Heebeegeetee said:
deadslow said:
That, I believe, is the basis of the sport - we all support different drivers and teams and its a great competition and spectacle to see who wins.
I have to say i couldn't disagree more. I've never really seen 'supporting' a driver as part of motorsport at all.To my mind a true enthusiast watches motor racing for what it is, and he may well have his favourite driver or drivers, but that's not the same as say, a football fan supporting his home team.
A football club traditionally does need the support of its home crowd, but i can't see how anyone can actually 'support' a driver. I rather imagine Lewis needs my help and support as much as he needs a hole in the head.
Plenty of drivers (maybe less so in the closed confine of a F1 mit Hans Device) have claimed to have been lifted by the support of the crowd.
IMO with media sensationalism, human herd mentality and mass hysteria, I'm rather pleased some choose to dislike LH, even if it is just 'because!'. The world would be rather boring if everyone liked the same person for the same reasons.
However, cussing his ability, class, archievements when he is clearly the biggest talent in F1 (especially considering it takes a driver a couple of years or so to mature and 'get the nack') etc. is a whole other ball-game. And cussing these particular attributes because you choose not to like his person, is blind stupidity that will result in many a condescending retort...
However, cussing his ability, class, archievements when he is clearly the biggest talent in F1 (especially considering it takes a driver a couple of years or so to mature and 'get the nack') etc. is a whole other ball-game. And cussing these particular attributes because you choose not to like his person, is blind stupidity that will result in many a condescending retort...
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