Launch control banned as well ?

Launch control banned as well ?

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Dunit

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637 posts

206 months

Friday 4th January 2008
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With the banning of T/C does this apply to the launch control system as well.
If it does we should see some intresting starts this year!!

Jungles

3,587 posts

222 months

Friday 4th January 2008
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I didn't think there was a separate launch control system. TC was basically the launch control system when starting from the grid, wasn't it?

Get Karter

1,934 posts

202 months

Friday 4th January 2008
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does launch control not hold the revs at optimum level for dumping the clutch, only then will traction control come in to play, stopping any, err, loss of traction....

Jungles

3,587 posts

222 months

Friday 4th January 2008
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Just checked up on this, and the result is that launch control is banned as well.

See Nick Heidfeld's interview: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64494
Autosport article said:
Heidfeld said he also expected the ban on traction control and launch control this year to have a big impact on races.

"I am anxious to see how the starts will look like," he said. "At the moment we are working on that. In the past years we had the launch control or at least some help. That is why the starts were always pretty predictable.

"In the beginning Renault always had fantastic starts and after that we had very good starts. Before the return of the launch control it was easy to gain or loose positions during the start. Therefore the next season will be more interesting again.

Dunit

Original Poster:

637 posts

206 months

Friday 4th January 2008
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Most teams dial the basic setting for L/C during practice to suit track surface,Fuel load ,Temp etc etc.
The driver has very little to do other than steer it.
If from now they have to balance the w/spin with the throttle as well as not jumping the start, should be great watching.

trickywoo

11,894 posts

231 months

Friday 4th January 2008
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I predict there will be a few big shunts where one or more car doesn't get away properly and another piles into the back at speed and the L/C will be brought back in.

MrKipling43

5,788 posts

217 months

Friday 4th January 2008
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trickywoo said:
I predict there will be a few big shunts where one or more car doesn't get away properly and another piles into the back at speed and the L/C will be brought back in.
I predict that you're absolutely right.

waynepixel

3,972 posts

225 months

Friday 4th January 2008
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This is a good thing, lets see the wheels smoke-up at the start of the race, and remember what controlling a Formula 1 car is all about. biggrin

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 4th January 2008
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Strictly speaking launch control was banned a few years ago, which is why Nicks says "or at least some help", they used to have dedicated launch control but that was banned so they used the best next thing which was a TC setting, the driver still had to modulate the clutch during the start in the last couple of years.

Like all these rule changes, it will soon become a non-issue and business as usual will ensue with other things being talked about at the weekend.

skinny

5,269 posts

236 months

Friday 4th January 2008
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the drivers did have to dial in a certain amount of revs on the start too, they couldn't quite just floor it and let the ecu sort it completely (tho it probably wasn't far off!).

but agreed, it will be more interesting now smile

ELAN+2

2,232 posts

233 months

Friday 4th January 2008
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the Launch control system on some cars involve the driver selecting first gear, flooring the throttle and holding a button on the steering wheel. Release of the launch button set the car off. A certain team had sensors in the front wing that detected when the jumpstart sensors in the track powered down and launched the car automatically, the cars in question always made a couple of places on the start and the in car footage from one race showed the drivers thumb coming off the button as he got alongside the car in front. His car wasn't silver and as such it was allowed to have a go at the Red cars stranglehold on F1 and created a spectacle for bernie and max's great advertising swindle.

g4ry13

17,076 posts

256 months

Friday 4th January 2008
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ELAN+2 said:
the Launch control system on some cars involve the driver selecting first gear, flooring the throttle and holding a button on the steering wheel. Release of the launch button set the car off. A certain team had sensors in the front wing that detected when the jumpstart sensors in the track powered down and launched the car automatically, the cars in question always made a couple of places on the start and the in car footage from one race showed the drivers thumb coming off the button as he got alongside the car in front. His car wasn't silver and as such it was allowed to have a go at the Red cars stranglehold on F1 and created a spectacle for bernie and max's great advertising swindle.
How do you know that? It was only 2 seasons and then business as normal.

LocoBlade

7,622 posts

257 months

Friday 4th January 2008
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Yep I also remember that story about detecting the sensor and auto launching when it switched off. IIRC, I think they got a slap across the wrists and the sensors were changed so as not to be detectable in the same way.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 4th January 2008
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Bloody ingenious though! IMHO that's the sort of thing F1 engineers out to be doing - finding every last way to tweak out an advantage.

Wiggo

40 posts

256 months

Saturday 5th January 2008
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LexSport said:
Bloody ingenious though! IMHO that's the sort of thing F1 engineers out to be doing - finding every last way to tweak out an advantage.
It's definitely a clever hack of the starting system, but for me it crosses the line between being in the spirit of the rules and full-on cheating. It's pretty clear that getting off the line before the flag drops (metaphorically speaking wink ) is an unfair advantage.

Anyone got a link to the in-car video of this happening? I assume it was Renault...