F2008 launches today (Ferrari F1)
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rude-boy said:
sleep envy said:
Teppic said:
megy said:
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They are of course wrong. It is a veiled reference to “Alice in Wonderland”. You know make believe, packs of jokers, funny white powder and so on. This is where the Ferrari top brass live in order to make believe that they have the divine right to win every year and where they obtain many of their Press Releases from.
Now I think we can all work out who the Mad Hatter is, but any prises for guessing who the evil queen is
sleep envy said:
it's not as if psycological pressure isn't used in other sports
you never see that in the back pages when reading about football, do you...
Between drivers I'm all for. Ferrari president getting involved with cheap shots? Unnecessary and fifthly. you never see that in the back pages when reading about football, do you...
Don't compare F1 to football, it's an idiots game.
jon- said:
sleep envy said:
it's not as if psycological pressure isn't used in other sports
you never see that in the back pages when reading about football, do you...
Between drivers I'm all for. Ferrari president getting involved with cheap shots? Unnecessary and fifthly. you never see that in the back pages when reading about football, do you...
Don't compare F1 to football, it's an idiots game.
sleep envy said:
jon- said:
sleep envy said:
it's not as if psycological pressure isn't used in other sports
you never see that in the back pages when reading about football, do you...
Between drivers I'm all for. Ferrari president getting involved with cheap shots? Unnecessary and fifthly. you never see that in the back pages when reading about football, do you...
Don't compare F1 to football, it's an idiots game.
Corporate image is worth a lot more than cheap words. After all, Ferrari are there to sell cars primarily.
flemke said:
It's good to see that Ferrari continue to elevate the sport by focusing on their own job and not taking shots at their rivals:
"I think that, with these new regulations, Lewis Hamilton may have a rough time," Baldisserri was quoted as saying by Gazzetta dello Sport.
you take what is said in the press with a pinch of salt though, don't you? "I think that, with these new regulations, Lewis Hamilton may have a rough time," Baldisserri was quoted as saying by Gazzetta dello Sport.
jon- said:
The effect his comments will have one Lewis is insignificant if not bordering on nil and in return he is making himself, and Ferrari by extension look like vindictive school children and not sporting in the slightest.
Corporate image is worth a lot more than cheap words. After all, Ferrari are there to sell cars primarily.
the days of the gentleman racer are long goneCorporate image is worth a lot more than cheap words. After all, Ferrari are there to sell cars primarily.
besides I'd wager the larger percentage of new Ferrari customers couldn't give a toss about what he says or how they deal with the FIA and their competitors
stephen300o said:
flemke said:
It's good to see that Ferrari continue to elevate the sport by focusing on their own job and not taking shots at their rivals:
"I think that, with these new regulations, Lewis Hamilton may have a rough time," Baldisserri was quoted as saying by Gazzetta dello Sport.
you take what is said in the press with a pinch of salt though, don't you? "I think that, with these new regulations, Lewis Hamilton may have a rough time," Baldisserri was quoted as saying by Gazzetta dello Sport.
The point was that it was a typical cheap shot from the team whose boss pontificates from atop his high horse about the need for Formula One to stay away from politics and maintain its dignity.
flemke said:
stephen300o said:
flemke said:
It's good to see that Ferrari continue to elevate the sport by focusing on their own job and not taking shots at their rivals:
"I think that, with these new regulations, Lewis Hamilton may have a rough time," Baldisserri was quoted as saying by Gazzetta dello Sport.
you take what is said in the press with a pinch of salt though, don't you? "I think that, with these new regulations, Lewis Hamilton may have a rough time," Baldisserri was quoted as saying by Gazzetta dello Sport.
The point was that it was a typical cheap shot from the team whose boss pontificates from atop his high horse about the need for Formula One to stay away from politics and maintain its dignity.
flemke said:
stephen300o said:
Was it the answer to a specific question, and did it refer to Hamiltons driving style?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64541I don't see it being any trouble for Hamilton anyway, only the drivers who have spoken up about how dangerous it will be without traction control need worry, the big wussies. I still think that the loss of TC should have coincided with the return of slick tyres though.
flemke said:
I find that even more ridiculous now I've read it in context. I would have thought someone like Lewis, who has been used to controlling rear tyre slip with his right foot as recent as last year, would be in a far better position to control a traction control-less F1 car than a older has-been like Fisi who have lent on the ECU for a large number of seasons. The tyre change will be new to everybody as no one has raced on groove tyres without some form of TC.I fully expect Lewis to be one of the quickest to adapt. I have to also add the test MS did without TC late last year reminds me why he will be the greatest driver (not sportsman) of all time in my eyes.
rubystone said:
I did wonder whether the comments were related to how TC might help to preserve the rear tyres a little more. To my eyes, Lewis' driving style might hurt the tyres a little more than, say, Button's...
That is true, but one might well surmise that Lewis leant on TC because he had worked out that that was the optimal way to use the package, rather than because he was not competent to drive without it.Schumacher used his TC aggressively, yet, as has been observed above, without TC he was still superb.
rubystone said:
I did wonder whether the comments were related to how TC might help to preserve the rear tyres a little more. To my eyes, Lewis' driving style might hurt the tyres a little more than, say, Button's...
He was in GP2 a year ago and, if memory serves, he did ok in that. They don't have traction control.Lewis is one of the best drivers on the planet - I'm sure he, like everyone else on the grid, will manage just fine.
stephen300o said:
flemke said:
stephen300o said:
Was it the answer to a specific question, and did it refer to Hamiltons driving style?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64541"For sure he won't be able to carry on driving the way he has, and even though he raced and won in GP2 without traction control, he was on different tyres."
None of the F1-experienced drivers will be able to carry on driving the way that they have been, and now quite a few of the drivers on the grid will have recently raced in GP2. It was not necessary to single out Hamilton. One suspects that Ferrari are quite worried about Hamilton,as they should be.
It's not a big deal. It's just another tile in the rich mosaic of Ferrari distastefulness.
flemke said:
stephen300o said:
Going for a shorter wheelbase this year because of the problems with the twisties last year, hopefully good and reliable too
Do we know that yet?And one wonders whether McLaren will make theirs longer...
We've got, what is it, three different venues this year (Valencia, Hockenheim and Singapore)? Not sure whether the characteristics of those circuits will tip the balance of what is the optimal wheelbase one way or the other.
Ferrari have said that what they told the press was last year's wheelbase was intentionally incorrect (for which one would not criticise them), so even if they've said that the new car is "X", it need not mean anything.
"The MP4-23, which will be driven by Lewis Hamilton and Heikki Kovalainen during the season, has a longer wheelbase than its predecessor."
Speaking of Ferrari distastefulness:
Todt says new ECU benefits McLaren
Monday, January 7th 2008, 13:53 GMT
McLaren are at a clear advantage this year because they built the electronic system which all Formula One teams must now use, Ferrari chief executive Jean Todt said on Monday.
The SECU (Standard Electronic Control Unit) produced by McLaren Electronic Systems is a major development for the new season, which starts on March 16 in Melbourne.
"We would have preferred that the single control unit for all Formula One teams was built by another company. We must accept the fact that McLaren with Microsoft put forward the most economic proposal," Todt told reporters.
"It is clear it is a situation to monitor. But it is obvious that, at least at the start, McLaren will have an advantage in the championship," added the Frenchman, who has handed the reins of the racing team to Stefano Domenicali while he remains boss of the company.
Is there no end to the snivelling from this little lump of excrement?
Todt says new ECU benefits McLaren
Monday, January 7th 2008, 13:53 GMT
McLaren are at a clear advantage this year because they built the electronic system which all Formula One teams must now use, Ferrari chief executive Jean Todt said on Monday.
The SECU (Standard Electronic Control Unit) produced by McLaren Electronic Systems is a major development for the new season, which starts on March 16 in Melbourne.
"We would have preferred that the single control unit for all Formula One teams was built by another company. We must accept the fact that McLaren with Microsoft put forward the most economic proposal," Todt told reporters.
"It is clear it is a situation to monitor. But it is obvious that, at least at the start, McLaren will have an advantage in the championship," added the Frenchman, who has handed the reins of the racing team to Stefano Domenicali while he remains boss of the company.
Is there no end to the snivelling from this little lump of excrement?
I didn't here Ferrari complaining when Michelin dropped out and everyone was at a disadvantage thanks to Ferraris special relationship with Bridgestone.
Assuming the ECU is open source they can't grumble. If however they don't have access to the inner workings they're are correct to be suspicious. I can't see how anyone would have agreed it if it wasn't an open codebase.
Assuming the ECU is open source they can't grumble. If however they don't have access to the inner workings they're are correct to be suspicious. I can't see how anyone would have agreed it if it wasn't an open codebase.
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