Suspension Design
Discussion
zac510 said:
Hell yes those hillclimbing guys are serious
I think the F3 did go through a bit of a monoshock fad for a while there but these days they seem to be swinging between 2 and 3.
Yeah that and Mygale have tried separating the dampers and the springs so you can adjust the rates independently. Mechanically better, but it adds some weight.I think the F3 did go through a bit of a monoshock fad for a while there but these days they seem to be swinging between 2 and 3.
CNHSS1 said:
it is serious motorsport, hillclimbing FTW. The motorsport definition of lateral and innovative thinking
Didn't mean it to read like I didn't think hillclimbing was serious, some of the cars are totally awesome in performance and design. I meant serious in regards to steps in professional racing ladder rather than club racing like so many of us on here participate in. Not that it really matters nick997 said:
CNHSS1 said:
it is serious motorsport, hillclimbing FTW. The motorsport definition of lateral and innovative thinking
Didn't mean it to read like I didn't think hillclimbing was serious, some of the cars are totally awesome in performance and design. I meant serious in regards to steps in professional racing ladder rather than club racing like so many of us on here participate in. Not that it really matters Jenson and Brawn - take note !!!
andygo said:
nick997 said:
CNHSS1 said:
it is serious motorsport, hillclimbing FTW. The motorsport definition of lateral and innovative thinking
Didn't mean it to read like I didn't think hillclimbing was serious, some of the cars are totally awesome in performance and design. I meant serious in regards to steps in professional racing ladder rather than club racing like so many of us on here participate in. Not that it really matters Jenson and Brawn - take note !!!
intrepid44 said:
Well after reading a bit more about monoshock design, they seem to provide little mechanical grip, and are good for use in aero cars (Dallara tested them on their Indy car). Seeing as though it is going to be used for Autocross, I think we will use a more conventional design.
You are thinking of suspension in the wrong way. Suspension does not provide grip, the tyres provide the grip. The idea of suspension is to utilise the available grip of the tyre by keeping the optimal contact patch with the ground at any time. Monoshock has been successful in non-aero applications (RF92 formula ford) but it tends to work better on smoother tracks. Also the short distance travelled by the pivot in roll tends to be difficult to control. For an Autocross application I would try and keep it as simple and as light as possible.CNHSS1 said:
andygo said:
nick997 said:
CNHSS1 said:
it is serious motorsport, hillclimbing FTW. The motorsport definition of lateral and innovative thinking
Didn't mean it to read like I didn't think hillclimbing was serious, some of the cars are totally awesome in performance and design. I meant serious in regards to steps in professional racing ladder rather than club racing like so many of us on here participate in. Not that it really matters Jenson and Brawn - take note !!!
CNHSS1 said:
sames true the other way round though, the circuit boys take too long to get warmed up to be fast enough, but are blindingly fast on the M1 on the way home when the cars on the trailer, impossible to catch them then
I know what you mean. Trailer getting a speed wobble behind the F150 pickup in the fast lane at 80 plus.Tis a Force PC hill climb car shown in the pic for definite. Just sold my one & currently running a Radical in real racing as one of you guys put it, not finding it much of a problem to adapt to circuit racing at all. (Won 10 out of 11 events)
Edited by dsl2 on Friday 9th October 16:57
Project 644 said:
intrepid44 said:
Well after reading a bit more about monoshock design, they seem to provide little mechanical grip, and are good for use in aero cars (Dallara tested them on their Indy car). Seeing as though it is going to be used for Autocross, I think we will use a more conventional design.
You are thinking of suspension in the wrong way. Suspension does not provide grip, the tyres provide the grip. The idea of suspension is to utilise the available grip of the tyre by keeping the optimal contact patch with the ground at any time. Monoshock has been successful in non-aero applications (RF92 formula ford) but it tends to work better on smoother tracks. Also the short distance travelled by the pivot in roll tends to be difficult to control. For an Autocross application I would try and keep it as simple and as light as possible.And I agree it probably is best to keep it simple, and as light as posible. That's why we were thinking of a monoshock setup, but having looked into it a little further other teams that have gone the monoshock design seem to have been less than sucessful, although I guess that could be due to other reasons.
CNHSS1 said:
andygo said:
nick997 said:
CNHSS1 said:
it is serious motorsport, hillclimbing FTW. The motorsport definition of lateral and innovative thinking
Didn't mean it to read like I didn't think hillclimbing was serious, some of the cars are totally awesome in performance and design. I meant serious in regards to steps in professional racing ladder rather than club racing like so many of us on here participate in. Not that it really matters Jenson and Brawn - take note !!!
intrepid44 said:
Project 644 said:
intrepid44 said:
Well after reading a bit more about monoshock design, they seem to provide little mechanical grip, and are good for use in aero cars (Dallara tested them on their Indy car). Seeing as though it is going to be used for Autocross, I think we will use a more conventional design.
You are thinking of suspension in the wrong way. Suspension does not provide grip, the tyres provide the grip. The idea of suspension is to utilise the available grip of the tyre by keeping the optimal contact patch with the ground at any time. Monoshock has been successful in non-aero applications (RF92 formula ford) but it tends to work better on smoother tracks. Also the short distance travelled by the pivot in roll tends to be difficult to control. For an Autocross application I would try and keep it as simple and as light as possible.And I agree it probably is best to keep it simple, and as light as posible. That's why we were thinking of a monoshock setup, but having looked into it a little further other teams that have gone the monoshock design seem to have been less than sucessful, although I guess that could be due to other reasons.
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