Schuey's 94 Benetton F1 car on eBay!

[hornetrider]

This could possibly be a pearoast but I've not found anything... being sold in race condition with spares and laptop to configure it!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/nov/10/michae...

http://cgi.ebay.de/1994-Benetton-Formel-1-Rennwage...

[Project 644]

There was one sold not that long ago which was advertised with traction control, launch control....

[flemke]

This car's been offered for sale in motor sport magazines for at least the past 18 mos.
There is zero chance that the current EBay "bid" of 2.6m Euro will hold up. I think it was offered in the specialist mags for $500k, and didn't move.
The interesting thing about the ads was that the vendor wrote that the car was completely original, "including...traction control".

[deviant]

eGhey said:

car shipment will be done after a 30% pay down on the price of sale

eGhey said:

• a scan of the data side of your passport or some other identity card
• your eBay username
• a valid mail address
• a telephone number for questions
• your signature

[4rephill]

flemke said:

This car's been offered for sale in motor sport magazines for at least the past 18 mos.
There is zero chance that the current EBay "bid" of 2.6m Euro will hold up. I think it was offered in the specialist mags for $500k, and didn't move.
The interesting thing about the ads was that the vendor wrote that the car was completely original, "including...traction control".

Why's that so interesting? .It's well known that the '94 Benetton was found to have traction control and launch control in it's control menu, that was option 13.The team said they had reused the '93 control system to save money and that it was an option that had been disabled for the '94 season but not removed, as removing it would have caused too many software errors.

The FIA discovered the option was still on the car but could not prove that it had been used during the '94 season. Part of the problem for the FIA was that their own rules dictated that traction control was forbidden from being used in the '94 season, not, that traction control was forbidden from being fitted to the cars, So to the letter of the law, traction control on this car was not illegal.

[flemke]

4rephill said:

flemke said:

This car's been offered for sale in motor sport magazines for at least the past 18 mos.
There is zero chance that the current EBay "bid" of 2.6m Euro will hold up. I think it was offered in the specialist mags for $500k, and didn't move.
The interesting thing about the ads was that the vendor wrote that the car was completely original, "including...traction control".

Why's that so interesting? .It's well known that the '94 Benetton was found to have traction control and launch control in it's control menu, that was option 13.The team said they had reused the '93 control system to save money and that it was an option that had been disabled for the '94 season but not removed, as removing it would have caused too many software errors.

"Interesting" in the sense of amusing. Presumably the current owner did not list the feature because he is a software historian, but because he's used the system. Perhaps he went to the trouble of having it activated by the factory or another party with specialist knowledge, or perhaps he did not have to go to the trouble, because it was still operative when it left the factory.

4rephill said:

The FIA discovered the option was still on the car but could not prove that it had been used during the '94 season. Part of the problem for the FIA was that their own rules dictated that traction control was forbidden from being used in the '94 season, not, that traction control was forbidden from being fitted to the cars, So to the letter of the law, traction control on this car was not illegal.

It's a pity that the FIA did not continue with its policy of requiring actual evidence, rather than drawing conclusions based on speculation, which has been its more recent policy. At the same time, George Carman's account of how Mosley stitched-up the verdict on the same Benetton team's fuel rig tampering shows that the facts had almost no relation to FIA decisions.

[Syndrome]

The Goodwood FOS information board is a nice touch

Edited by Syndrome on Wednesday 11th November 13:32

[Waynester]

It is a good looking F1 car.. especially compared to the current crop

Hmmm...How easy would it be to convert to road use?

[HAZZAGTR]

Just take away the sponsor stickers. Thats all you need to do. It has traction control already, as well as those other illegal gadgets...

[BigBob]

deviant said:

eGhey said:

car shipment will be done after a 30% pay down on the price of sale

eGhey said:

• a scan of the data side of your passport or some other identity card
• your eBay username
• a valid mail address
• a telephone number for questions
• your signature

Hey Ho Fo Fum, I smell the blood of a











SCAMMER.



Even if I could afford it I'd be mighty reluctent to provide all the info they need to steal my identity



BB

[thunderbelmont]

I wonder which chassis this one is.

F1Sales.com had Chassis 05 (B194) previously.

Matt has (had) a B192 in 194 livery for £75K (rolling - no engine), as well as a B195 (with a Judd V10 instead of a Regie V10) on POA (I'd expect £250K).

[4rephill]

flemke said:

4rephill said:

flemke said:

This car's been offered for sale in motor sport magazines for at least the past 18 mos.
There is zero chance that the current EBay "bid" of 2.6m Euro will hold up. I think it was offered in the specialist mags for $500k, and didn't move.
The interesting thing about the ads was that the vendor wrote that the car was completely original, "including...traction control".

Why's that so interesting? .It's well known that the '94 Benetton was found to have traction control and launch control in it's control menu, that was option 13.The team said they had reused the '93 control system to save money and that it was an option that had been disabled for the '94 season but not removed, as removing it would have caused too many software errors.

"Interesting" in the sense of amusing. Presumably the current owner did not list the feature because he is a software historian, but because he's used the system. Perhaps he went to the trouble of having it activated by the factory or another party with specialist knowledge, or perhaps he did not have to go to the trouble, because it was still operative when it left the factory.

4rephill said:

The FIA discovered the option was still on the car but could not prove that it had been used during the '94 season. Part of the problem for the FIA was that their own rules dictated that traction control was forbidden from being used in the '94 season, not, that traction control was forbidden from being fitted to the cars, So to the letter of the law, traction control on this car was not illegal.

It's a pity that the FIA did not continue with its policy of requiring actual evidence, rather than drawing conclusions based on speculation, which has been its more recent policy. At the same time, George Carman's account of how Mosley stitched-up the verdict on the same Benetton team's fuel rig tampering shows that the facts had almost no relation to FIA decisions.

Perhaps the current owner figures that the controversy caused by the whole "did they use traction control or not" episode adds to the value of the car as part of it's history, so they've added it into the advert to increase interest.

As to your second point, c'mon flemke, surely you've given up expecting consistency from the FIA when it comes to punishment for infringements of their regulations by now?.

[HiRich]

flemke said:

"Interesting" in the sense of amusing.

Rather like the in-period advertisement for a Group B Quattro, "one of only 140 produced" (there were supposed to be at least 200)

[mchammer89]

HAZZAGTR said:

Just take away the sponsor stickers. Thats all you need to do. It has traction control already, as well as those other illegal gadgets...

4rephill said:

It's well known that the '94 Benetton was found to have traction control and launch control in it's control menu, that was option 13.The team said they had reused the '93 control system to save money and that it was an option that had been disabled for the '94 season but not removed, as removing it would have caused too many software errors.

The FIA discovered the option was still on the car but could not prove that it had been used during the '94 season. Part of the problem for the FIA was that their own rules dictated that traction control was forbidden from being used in the '94 season, not, that traction control was forbidden from being fitted to the cars, So to the letter of the law, traction control on this car was not illegal.