How many races until Schumacher has/does one of his "stunts"

[heebeegeetee]

StuartMcKay said:

I personally don't see a problem with what Schumacher did!

Rubens chose to go for a gap that was getting smaller and smaller so he put himself in that position. He could have easily gone around the outside from that position with the new tyres he had on. I see Rubens coming out and moaning ("it's the most dangerous move I have ever had against me!") is a bit pathetic really and is more to do with the past than that incident.

I would love to see the steering wheel telemetry in Schumacher's car because I will bet that it stays on the same angle to within 2 degrees once he starts to come across the track.

Just to note I don't actually blame Schumacher or Rubens as I just see it as good hard racing.

No, it wasn't it wasn't racing by any description.

Freeze frame the moment when it was getting really dangerous, and you can see that Michael's car is pointing at an angle to the direction of the track, while he has a car alongside him. Watch how his car moves towards the edge of the track, defined by the white line, and watch how he pushes Rubens clear over that line.

As Alex wurz says, Michael knew exactly what he was doing.

[Paul 8v]

If it truly was a mistake (which looks doubtfull) he would have appologised to Ruebens after the race like any other human being, the fact he defended it proves the intentions of the move

[The real Apache]

StuartMcKay said:

I personally don't see a problem with what Schumacher did!

then I hope you never get a seat in a race car

[rich85uk]

harry010 said:

RobFerrari said:

rich85uk said:

shame his move didnt go wrong and he crashed leaving him seriously injured. that would wipe the smile off his smug face.

That's such a disgusting thing to say - I'm sorry but regardless of who is involved here would you really like to see him hurt that much? I am not condoning what he did slamming the door like that, I think it could have
been so very much more serious than it was - imagine if someone had been exiting the pit lane at the moment. Terrible.

beat me to it.. I never want to see anyone badly injured

im sorry it offends and if it was somebody in general then yes what im saying would be bang out of order BUT.... the man is willing to put lives at risk because he cant handle losing a place to a faster car, he needs a taste of his own medicine!

the fact is its a miracle nobody was hurt or killed today, those cars would have been flat out at that point and he pulls a life threatening stunt like that

and like somebody pointed out, what if somebody had been coming out the pits? then it would have been a crash between 2 f1 cars at top speed and an f1 car at what? 60mph?? look at all the walls that were so close to that point aswell

the man is a scumbag and doesnt deserve to be called a sportsman, he deserves to be spat on

[AJS-]

Surprised the reaction is quite so strong, it was a bit over the top but that sort of blocking was the norm in F1 until not so long ago. The danger IMO was if another driver had been exiting the pits at the time it would have been nasty.

[Hammer67]

Cloud 9 said:

Seems he has been penalised a 10 place grid drop for next GP ha ha

Probly start about 27th on the grid in that case.

[captainsensible]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRv0AfpIANo

[He Skunk]

After watching it in slo-mo I have to say a 1 race ban , thereby depriving him of the chance to race at his favorite circuit, may have been what was needed to help him to respect the well-being of his fellow competitors just a smidgin more than he currently does.
10 place grid penalty seems a bit lenient when you watch this with the benefit of slo-mo.

Don't think it does the malevolance of the manouvere justice to classify it as "blocking" much more like pushing the other guy into the wall.

Just sheer luck no-one was leaving the pits, or that Ruby didn't lose it on the grass, or indeed that they locked wheels.

Edited by He Skunk on Sunday 1st August 18:22

[rich85uk]

AJS- said:

Surprised the reaction is quite so strong, it was a bit over the top but that sort of blocking was the norm in F1 until not so long ago. The danger IMO was if another driver had been exiting the pits at the time it would have been nasty.

thats the point though, its purely by luck that nobody was hurt or killed because of his actions

i understand drivers defending there position, but that move was aggresive and uncalled for. IMO schumacher was expecting contact then, he didnt even gently cut across he just steered fairly sharply towards rubens and forced him onto the grass(luckily the wall ended where it did)

im only 25, and wont claim to have watched f1 for the past 23 years. however i have been watching it for a while now and never before have i seen a planned move as dangerous as that.

for me what sealed it was the drivers reactions afterwards, rubens was very calm but shaken(who can blame him) schumacher just refused to accept the danger of his actions

[Fortitude]

Michael Schumacher: "Hell!! Rubens Barrichello is wrong about me wanting to go to heaven! Hell!!"

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s6...

[Fortitude]

captainsensible said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRv0AfpIANo

At the end of that You Tube clip, Michael Schumacher is smiling and treating it like a joke... It is the first time I have seen it.

[hornet]

Telling thing for me is how far Schumacher had to move back the other way once Rubens was past him. No justification for a move like that from anyone, let alone a seven times champion. Certainly making me think about him in a much different light these days.

[heebeegeetee]

AJS- said:

Surprised the reaction is quite so strong, it was a bit over the top but that sort of blocking was the norm in F1 until not so long ago.

I can't recall right now ever seeing any blocking in F1, apart from maybe Damon Hill's on Schumi the one time which is where the 'one move' rule came from.

Are you able to provide any links to clips of film showing similar blocking?

[harry010]

rich85uk said:

harry010 said:

RobFerrari said:

rich85uk said:

shame his move didnt go wrong and he crashed leaving him seriously injured. that would wipe the smile off his smug face.

That's such a disgusting thing to say - I'm sorry but regardless of who is
involved here would you really like to see him hurt that much? I am not condoning what he did slamming the door like that, I think it could have
been so very much more serious than it was - imagine if someone had been exiting the pit lane at the moment. Terrible.

beat me to it.. I never want to see
anyone badly injured

im sorry it offends and if it was somebody in general then yes what im saying would be bang out of order BUT.... the man is willing to put lives at risk because he cant handle losing a place to a faster car, he needs a taste of his own medicine!

Senna pulled many stunts like that in his career, and put lives other than his own at risk, did he finally "get a taste of his own medicine" when he smashed into that wall?? You are entitled to think what you do, but I personally never like to see heavy
crashes and injuries, never.

[heebeegeetee]

harry010 said:

rich85uk said:

harry010 said:

RobFerrari said:

rich85uk said:

shame his move didnt go wrong and he crashed leaving him seriously injured. that would wipe the smile off his smug face.

That's such a disgusting thing to say - I'm sorry but regardless of who is
involved here would you really like to see him hurt that much? I am not condoning what he did slamming the door like that, I think it could have
been so very much more serious than it was - imagine if someone had been exiting the pit lane at the moment. Terrible.

beat me to it.. I never want to see
anyone badly injured

im sorry it offends and if it was somebody in general then yes what im saying would be bang out of order BUT.... the man is willing to put lives at risk because he cant handle losing a place to a faster car, he needs a taste of his own medicine!

Senna pulled many stunts like that in his career, and put lives other than his own at risk, did he finally "get a taste of his own medicine" when he smashed into that wall?? You are entitled to think what you do, but I personally never like to see heavy
crashes and injuries, never.

I have to say, I for one never really thought Senna was going to reach old age.

[petergb]

The most amazing thing I find about it is that if Rubens had hit the wall it could not have failed to involve Schumacher in the biggest accident of his life and one that both drivers would have been very lucky to walk away from.

[StuartMcKay]

The real Apache said:

StuartMcKay said:

I personally don't see a problem with what Schumacher did!

then I hope you never get a seat in a race car

Judging by the amount of post's you have made I imagine that you will never have time to get in a race seat!
But, If in the same situation as Ruben's I personally would have gone around the outside and not taken the gap that was getting smaller.

Schumacher started closed the door to the left and Rubens made his move which imo looked very much like "I'll show you".

Ruben's had said that Schumacher had been closing the door late 2 laps before so why the hell would you then go for a gap that is clearly getting smaller and smaller after saying he's shutting the door late is surely just stupid on Ruben's part!!??
The sensible thing would have been to go around the outside and out break him easily in to turn 1 as you are on the much better tyres. Rubens had 2 options and in my opinion chose the 1 with the most risk when he could have very easily taken the slightly longer route and still got past.

I stand by my view that it was just hard racing between 2 drivers with a (big) history between them.

[heebeegeetee]

StuartMcKay said:

The real Apache said:

StuartMcKay said:

I personally don't see a problem with what Schumacher did!

then I hope you never get a seat in a race car

Judging by the amount of post's you have made I imagine that you will never have time to get in a race seat!
But, If in the same situation as Ruben's I personally would have gone around the outside and not taken the gap that was getting smaller.

Schumacher started closed the door to the left and Rubens made his move which imo looked very much like "I'll show you".

Ruben's had said that Schumacher had been closing the door late 2 laps before so why the hell would you then go for a gap that is clearly getting smaller and smaller after saying he's shutting the door late is surely just stupid on Ruben's part!!??
The sensible thing would have been to go around the outside and out break him easily in to turn 1 as you are on the much better tyres. Rubens had 2 options and in my opinion chose the 1 with the most risk when he could have very easily taken the slightly longer route and still got past.

I stand by my view that it was just hard racing between 2 drivers with a (big) history between them.

I think you're right in that RB might just as well stayed on the racing line and gone left, but what makes you think MS wouldn't have had him straight on the grass?

As JB said, MS wouldn't have continued to move right if RB was on his left.

It wasn't hard racing at all imo, it was unacceptable behaviour, as Alex Wurz said and as the stewards seem to agree.

[996TT_STEVO]

There is a big difference in blocking and shutting the door on someone... if you ask me, it was a ridiculous maneuver that could have led to a serious incident, he is doing himself no favours and should just retire for good now.

[SRT77]

heebeegeetee said:

AJS- said:

Surprised the reaction is quite so strong, it was a bit over the top but that sort of blocking was the norm in F1 until not so long ago.

I can't recall right now ever seeing any blocking in F1, apart from maybe Damon Hill's on Schumi the one time which is where the 'one move' rule came from.

Are you able to provide any links to clips of film showing similar blocking?

Not at all in the same league, but Hamilton did a good job of blocking earlier in the year. I think it was with Petrov.