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brierleys

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181 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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Reading the driver's section, Jensen's one of these people that likes to use reflective pronouns all over the place. For some reason, it really annoys me. It's "Lewis and I", not "Lewis and Myself". Lewis got it right in his section, for sure.

DeadMeat_UK

3,058 posts

281 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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Wanta996Gotta said:
With regards to the Fin-spoiler, F1 teams have been using similar designs for the last few years as i belive its just a simple engine cover that can be changed during the year as Redbull did BUT Mclarens looks totally different - more fixed??













Funny how everyone laughed at this when it came out....


Wanta996Gotta

5,622 posts

206 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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Q&A with Tim Goss of Mclaren

Q: The MP4-25 looks very different from last year’s car - what are the principal changes?

Tim Goss: Following last year’s clarification involving the interpretation of the underbody regulations, the 2010 car has been designed to take greater advantage of the aerodynamic benefits we can derive from the floor. That interpretation led us to change the layout of the rear of the car. The car is longer than last year’s car as a result of the additional fuel capacity and we’ve lowered the chassis and bodywork. Plus the removal of KERS has opened up opportunities on internal layout and weight distribution. It’s quite a different aerodynamic treatment to last year.

Q: The dorsal fin that attaches the top body to the rear wing is very striking - what does it do?

TG: The principal knock-on effect of the larger fuel tank was the repositioning of some of the car’s internals. One of the outcomes of that was a decision to move some of the car’s cooling to sit centrally at the rear of the car. The dorsal fin is partly to accommodate the additional cooling duct and partly a logical development of the high-downforce wing we ran last year at races like Monaco, which feeds air more efficiently to the rear wing upper element. They’re both quite simple solutions, but they’re actually very neat.

Q: On a human level, what has the organisation learnt about itself over the past 12 months?

Paddy Lowe: I think we’ve learnt that as a team we can operate effectively and we pull together both in success and in adversity. I think one of the greatest things about last year was the fact that on no single occasion throughout the whole team, whether that’s from shareholders, sponsors, team principal, management through to the night shifters, did I come across any individual blaming another That was a very encouraging situation, and spoke volumes about the degree of team spirit that exists here.

Q: Looking at the 2010 regulations, the biggest news is the banning of in-race refueling - how has that affected the packaging of the new car?

TG: It has definitely been a big challenge fitting twice as much fuel into the car, because you don’t want to increase the chassis length by too much, and you also don’t want to compromise the aerodynamics by making the car too wide. You’ve got to fit radiators into the sidepods, so you’re limited as to how wide you can push the chassis.

Q: How did you tackle it?

TG: In the end, we elected not to compromise the aerodynamics of the car, and, through a rethink of the cooling system layout and electrical packaging, we managed to provide space for the additional fuel capacity while maintaining our aerodynamic philosophy for the bodywork.

Q: The drivers will be carrying twice as much fuel at the start of each Grand Prix as they were last year, how will that affect the car’s handling and balance characteristics?

PL: The biggest problem is just the sheer weight of the fuel - it obviously increases the stopping distance quite considerably. Running with high fuel puts demands on braking - and it means you have to design the brake discs and pads to overcome that. And with a narrower front tyre, you’ll lose grip, which will change the fundamental balance of the car. So we’ve looked at weight distribution, aero balance and mechanical balance in order to compensate for grip balance moving rearwards.

Q: Do you think the banning of refueling and its effect on the car’s tyres and balance will spice up racing in 2010?

TG: could make the show significantly better, yes. Previously, you knew when everyone was going to stop and refuel, so each team based their strategy decisions on overtaking cars during the pitstops. What’s changed for this year is that we won’t know when people are going to stop. The only thing affecting drivers’ mandatory stops now is that they have to run both the Option and Prime tyre, so the strategy choices will be less predictable and will become a little more complicated. Races could be one or two stints with both early and late stops for tyres.And it will definitely make the racing more challenging and interesting - and, hopefully, it will promote more on-track overtaking and less overtaking during the pitstops.

Q: Finally, what’s on your job list going into the four crucial pre-season tests?

PL: Initially, the most important thing is proving that the car is robust. Just about everything has changed on the car, there’s very little that hasn’t changed, so we want to make sure we’re fully reliable for the first race. At the start of 2009, there were teams who were more competitive than us, but we were still able to pick up a good number of points because we were more reliable. These tests will be about establishing the durability of the car and giving ourselves enough time to fix any issues we encounter. In addition, we also want to get a very thorough understanding the new tyre, its degradation and durability, and how to get the best out of it. Beyond that, it’ll be about performance development.

Edited by Wanta996Gotta on Friday 29th January 13:26

DeadMeat_UK

3,058 posts

281 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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Wanta996Gotta said:
With regards to the Fin-spoiler, F1 teams have been using similar designs for the last few years as i belive its just a simple engine cover that can be changed during the year as Redbull did BUT Mclarens looks totally different - more fixed??

Macca have just confirmed it's part of the cooling outlet system, so I suspect we should assume it's fixed.

Longer wheelbase than last years (as is the Fezza). I presume that makes it more of a handful in the twisties like Monaco. Is the balance of racetracks more in favour of long flowing these days ?



andyps

7,817 posts

281 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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DeadMeat_UK said:
Funny how everyone laughed at this when it came out....

Just hope this years is a bit more competitive!

DeadMeat_UK

3,058 posts

281 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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andyps said:
DeadMeat_UK said:
Funny how everyone laughed at this when it came out....

Just hope this years is a bit more competitive!
Last time I looked the drivers weighed somewhat less than 12 stone smile

Wanta996Gotta

5,622 posts

206 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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DeadMeat_UK said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
With regards to the Fin-spoiler, F1 teams have been using similar designs for the last few years as i belive its just a simple engine cover that can be changed during the year as Redbull did BUT Mclarens looks totally different - more fixed??

Macca have just confirmed it's part of the cooling outlet system, so I suspect we should assume it's fixed.

Longer wheelbase than last years (as is the Fezza). I presume that makes it more of a handful in the twisties like Monaco. Is the balance of racetracks more in favour of long flowing these days ?
I wouldnt think so, there seems to be more street-like circuits. All the modern tracks like Valencia,Abu Dhabi and Singapore seemed to favour the Mclaren last year as it arguably had the best mechanical grip but was useless on high speed corners.

Wanta996Gotta

5,622 posts

206 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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Q&A with Lewis and Jenson

Q. Jenson, looking forward to the season?

Jenson Button, Lewis HamiltonJenson Button: It's been a very busy January to make sure that I really feel a part of this team. Moving to a new team is always difficult and it's a big change and we struggle with change a little bit. But they really have welcomed me and it's been a really good atmosphere. It's nice to finally see the car as one whole piece.

I'm looking forward to the season. We don't want to get too carried away yet. We have a lot of testing in front of us, a lot of hard work before we get to the first race. I'm excited, the most excited I've every been coming into a season. It's a massive challenge for me and one I'm really looking forward to.

Q. Lewis, you've often said Michael Schumacher is the one man you would have like to race again. do you think Michael is going to be the man to beat for you this season?

LH: I don't think I've every actually said it - I think if you read the reports I said I always wanted to race Ayrton. While growing up and watching F1, I was finally there and thinking I would have chance to race Michael but he left. I did get the chance to be on the same track as him on a couple of days, which was such a pleasure to see, the Ferrari of Michael Schumacher pulling out of the pits ahead of me. It was pretty awesome.

Now to be on the same grid as him, see him and the mirrors or in front, it's going to be very special. For me it is going to be a great experience.

Q. How difficult will it be for either of you going up against a one man team like everybody is expecting Mercedes to be this year?

JB: I am hoping that is not the case and I am sure Nico or Michael are hoping that it is not the case, if you are talking about that team. Formula 1 is about a team effort and you need both drivers to work together to improve the car. If you do it on your own it's not going to work. I don't think any drivers on this grid would choose a number two role. I can't see it happening and I don't think it will be the case this year.

Q. Jenson, how do you think your rivalry with Lewis will affect your work?

JB: For us, as I keep saying, it is so important for us to be working together as a team or you won't get a British world champion at the end of the year. For us to work as a team is key working together and learning from each other. We have so much experience of working in F1, positives and negatives, we've both been in different situations.

You see at the end of the year what happens, and who did a better job after those 19 races. There is no use thinking that far into the future, it will be a big mistake, you have to think of now and how we make this car as quick as we can.

LH: I don't think any of you should forget he is the world champion and that he's been welcome into this team. I wouldn't believe everything you read.

Q. Lewis, do you regret the loss of KERS this season?

LH: No, not really. It doesn't bother me having it or not. It could be nicer to not have it because the car will be a lot nicer to drive.

JB: For me not driving without KERS in 2009 was frustrating, because you had to change strategy to whatever these guys would do. And if they were starting just behind you at the first corner you were not going to come first. I am happy that it is equal across the field and that is important, if everyone has got KERS it is a great system and the reason behind having the system but not if it's just a few teams.

Q. Jenson, do you believe Mercedes will be stronger this year?

JB: First of all I do think they will be strong in 2010. They were world champions and we were world champions together in 2009, I don't think they will be at the back of the field, whether it is as competitive or more competitive, nobody knows who will be at the front. They will be there or thereabouts. For me I had a great relationship with the team and for me it was the decision to move teams because I wanted a new challenge.

When you win the championship you have achieved your dream and your initial goal, and after that I was thinking where do I go from here? The decision was to move to McLaren, and take up this new challenge. It has really spurred me on, I go into this season so much more excited than any other season I've been in Formula 1.

I've become a much stronger person and stronger driver with what happened last year. I'm working with the team already. There are some areas that I've never really worked on before. When we get to the first race I'm gonna make sure I'm 100 per cent ready. I don't want any excuses. The first race in Bahrain is a race I'm looking to be competitive in.

Q. At the end of last season Heikki said he was a little bit upset because he was always a couple of places behind in terms of car development. Lewis has been here four years, Jenson you are the reigning world champion, who's got first dibs on car development?

LH: I need to correct you there, because that was never the case, bar one race where the guys in the factory worked for 36 hours to get some of the components to the race track and unfortunately there were unable to do two. At the race weekend they put it on my car, but at the time I was number one and from one race to another that isn't the case.

Jenson is number one this year and surely he will get it the first time and the second time I'll get it. But at the end of the day they are trying to make the best to make sure we both have the same components. It only ever happened once so I don't know where the rest of that came from.

Q. What do you think about starting with a much heavier fuel load this year?

JB: It is something we need to test. We know it's going to be heavy and that it will be harder to stop the car, but that's why we are testing. Testing is going to be very, very important for the start of the year. It's not just the narrow front tyre, which obviously hurts your front grip, we also have the heavy fuel load and that is something we are going to be doing a lot of testing with.

150-160kg is massive compared to what we're used to, which is below 100kg every year I've raced. It's a new experience, it is something we have been working on even in the simulator but we will be working on it a lot during the next month.

Q. Is there a particular circuit that you are looking forward to this year?

LH: I'm looking forward to seeing what Korea is like because it's a new circuit. I love all the races personally.

JB: There are a couple of circuits that we already know have a few changes. Silverstone's going to be a bit different - I'm not sure how different. Bahrain has a new little section which will hopefully make the racing even better there, so there are a few new things to learn. It seems like every year there is a new circuit, which is good, it mixes it up a little bit.

Q. Have you tried the new car in the simulator, and what's it like?

LH: We're in there all the time, pushing as hard as we can to learn the car. It feels okay in there but we don't know what these tyres are going to be like so we don't actually have the information. We have taken as good a guess as we can as to how the tyres behave, but when we get to the first test we'll find out for sure, take that information back, and put it in the simulator.

Q. Will this be a more exciting season of F1, and do you think it could be the most competitive ever?

JB: I think it has been a while since we have had four world champions racing, and there are lots of very talented people in Formula 1 at the moment, a lot of new teams coming in, so it's a very exciting season. I hope we all see it as that, hopefully we all see it as possibly the most exciting Formula 1 season we've ever seen. Hopefully we're going to have a big fanbase this year because we're going to put on a good show.

Q. You've said going up against Lewis is a challenge, and many people have been sceptical about your chances. How do you feel about that, and what effect do you think the regulation changes will have on your battle?

JB: When I made the move I didn't think about the regulation changes, I thought about the new challenge, something that is exciting, you should always be looking for new challenges in your life. When I achieved the world championship last year I felt that moving to a new team, one that had so much experience in Formula 1, and with Lewis being here and having won a world championship, I thought it was the best place to be for this season.

Nobody knows who will come out on top in any team, that is why we are going racing - to fight it out. After 19 races we will see who has done the best job. For now we've got to work together and we will help build this team around us and hopefully improve this car throughout the season better than anyone else. That is our aim at the moment.

Q. People are excited about the Anglo-German battle between McLaren and Mercedes GP, what are your thoughts on it?

LH: I don't think it is the way we look at it and not the way our team looks at it. We have partners and in our team we have people from over 25 different nationalities, so it's very much an international team. Obviously it's great to have two Brits in here, but we all work together to put this car together and put this team together. We are racing internationally, so I don't see it as a nationality sport, it is an international sport. I don't agree with everything that has been said but for sure we will do the best job that we can.

Q. Lewis, you had a difficult season in the team in 2007 and Kimi Raikkonen was able to beat you and Alonso to the title. What can you do differently to avoid a repeat of that situation this year?

LH: All I can say is I think we can work together more. In 2007 perhaps in some cases we didn't work together well enough and we didn't work together for the team. I think we both understand we need to work together to push the team forward, while we want to beat each other, we want to get to the end of the year having won the Constructors' Championship and one of us having won the drivers' championship. I think we both understand that.

Q. Jenson, do you have anything left to prove?

JB: I think winning the world championship and being the best in the world in that season is what we are all here to do. When you're eight years old and you are looking at Formula 1 drivers and one becomes world champion, that is what you want to achieve - you think 'I want to become world champion'.

That is exactly what I have achieved in 2009. This year as I said I've looked for another challenge and that is exactly what I have on my hands. I come into the season excited about the new season but not looking to prove anything to anyone. I don't need to do that. I don't need to prove anything to myself.

I am pretty happy with where I am in my life right now. I am in the best position I possibly could be. I've got the experience of winning the world championship in 2009 which boosts your confidence, I've gained a lot of experience, and as a person I've become a lot more confident than last season. Coming into this year I am in the best position I possibly could be

hondafanatic

4,969 posts

200 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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Wanta996Gotta said:
DeadMeat_UK said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
With regards to the Fin-spoiler, F1 teams have been using similar designs for the last few years as i belive its just a simple engine cover that can be changed during the year as Redbull did BUT Mclarens looks totally different - more fixed??

Macca have just confirmed it's part of the cooling outlet system, so I suspect we should assume it's fixed.

Longer wheelbase than last years (as is the Fezza). I presume that makes it more of a handful in the twisties like Monaco. Is the balance of racetracks more in favour of long flowing these days ?
I wouldnt think so, there seems to be more street-like circuits. All the modern tracks like Valencia,Abu Dhabi and Singapore seemed to favour the Mclaren last year as it arguably had the best mechanical grip but was useless on high speed corners.
I've just been reading the latest edition of F1 Magazine (it's the best i've read in a long time) and there is an interview with Frank Dernie about how to make an F1 car quick etc. Regarding your last sentence there, and before I read the article I'd have agreed with your thinking - however, Frank was writing that mechanical grip comes into play at the high speed corners, and even 1st gear corners gain significant speed using aero grip. The idea being that the aero grip has diminishing returns, and at high speed, it’s mechanical grip that allows the driver to take the high speed corners without the fear of the car breaking away.

It was a really interesting article and flipped a few other preconceived ideas on their head.

The above is O/T and not in any way meant to be argumentative, I just thought you might find it interesting.

beer

Eric Mc

121,783 posts

264 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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I think the current regs are producing some better looking cars.

I like it.

(And that 1995 car was just totally out of proprtion)

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

216 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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So was the intended driver!

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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10 Pence Short said:
So was the intended driver!
MEEEEEOOOOWWWWWWW!!!!!

Allyc85

7,225 posts

185 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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Stunning car, I like that alot!

Come on Jenson biggrin

CAD Monkey

400 posts

207 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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Sorry, that is truley awful, only the clour scheme saves it. Hope it performs well for the boys though.

bullies180

1,828 posts

193 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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whats quite interesting is that the side pods sit quite high but are squeezed in and the back is very tailored in, i like it, looks good

poo at Paul's

14,116 posts

174 months

Saturday 30th January 2010
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Have they got a Saloon version, or only the Avant?

laugh

FourWheelDrift

88,381 posts

283 months

Sunday 31st January 2010
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McLaren's evolution over the last few years.


Greeny

1,421 posts

258 months

Sunday 31st January 2010
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Ah yes the 2008 car, when lidoM were sponsoring them wink

FourWheelDrift

88,381 posts

283 months

Sunday 31st January 2010
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Don't blame me.

Good way of getting around tobacco sponsorship though if anyone had any.

ajprice

27,319 posts

195 months

Sunday 31st January 2010
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I don't remember a car with JW in black on the sidepods with the chrome paint, I just remember the Vodafone ones and the silver and black West cars before these. Weird.