RE: Rally GB: Loeb Ends WRC Era With Victory
Discussion
The most exciting part of WRC this year for me is watching Kimi R crashing stage after stage!
The fact that someone who has never done the sport professionally before, can just enter and become a driver in WRC just because he's the champion of another almost totally unrelated sport, says it all about the quality of the drivers in WRC at the moment.
Props for him persisting and not giving up though, he sure is getting better as each stage passes.
The fact that someone who has never done the sport professionally before, can just enter and become a driver in WRC just because he's the champion of another almost totally unrelated sport, says it all about the quality of the drivers in WRC at the moment.
Props for him persisting and not giving up though, he sure is getting better as each stage passes.
"The C4 is almost too good at times."
With all the silly Zonda's and Lambo's and Buggatis and Ferrari XXX's and Aston and on and on and on... WHY THE F^CK can't we get real cars for sale like the C4? As Harris recently found of the evo test of road racers, nothing really comes even close- not even the press's dream car the GT3rs. j
With all the silly Zonda's and Lambo's and Buggatis and Ferrari XXX's and Aston and on and on and on... WHY THE F^CK can't we get real cars for sale like the C4? As Harris recently found of the evo test of road racers, nothing really comes even close- not even the press's dream car the GT3rs. j
j123 said:
"The only thing good about the cars for next year is that they are about the right size for a rally car. IMHO they need another 100 hp and weigh 200kg less."
How do you know that cars smaller than the GB winning C4 will be better? It looks to me like the C4 is actually the perfect size for a rally car, not to big or too small.
Anyone have any real world understanding of what size is optimal for rallying? Thanks j
they are the right size IMHO as they are similar in size to the group B cars. that is they are using super MINI's How do you know that cars smaller than the GB winning C4 will be better? It looks to me like the C4 is actually the perfect size for a rally car, not to big or too small.
Anyone have any real world understanding of what size is optimal for rallying? Thanks j
rather than small family cars.Used to be a great spectator event. Chatsworth and Sutton Park in the day were brilliant. You were so close to the cars coming past, especially in the woods, that the sounds and sights were just raw somehow.
Now it feels like you're in the next postcode and struggle to read the numbers the cars are so far away. Surprised they don't have a regulation for the car to have air bags on the outside just in case and a member of the green party on every corner making sure the noise limits don't endanger someone's human rights. Or am I just getting old? H&S fecked rallying as a spectator sport.
Now it feels like you're in the next postcode and struggle to read the numbers the cars are so far away. Surprised they don't have a regulation for the car to have air bags on the outside just in case and a member of the green party on every corner making sure the noise limits don't endanger someone's human rights. Or am I just getting old? H&S fecked rallying as a spectator sport.
dfen5 said:
Used to be a great spectator event. Chatsworth and Sutton Park in the day were brilliant. You were so close to the cars coming past, especially in the woods, that the sounds and sights were just raw somehow.
Now it feels like you're in the next postcode and struggle to read the numbers the cars are so far away. Surprised they don't have a regulation for the car to have air bags on the outside just in case and a member of the green party on every corner making sure the noise limits don't endanger someone's human rights. Or am I just getting old? H&S fecked rallying as a spectator sport.
The marshalled areas are set back from the action but there is nothing to stop you walking into the woods and finding your own viewing spot, the only proviso being that you shouldn't put yourself in danger or the drivers, you don't want to end up as pink mist under the front of a wayward C4 nor do you want to put the drivers off their pace by standing somewhere that surprises them and makes them instinctively brake.Now it feels like you're in the next postcode and struggle to read the numbers the cars are so far away. Surprised they don't have a regulation for the car to have air bags on the outside just in case and a member of the green party on every corner making sure the noise limits don't endanger someone's human rights. Or am I just getting old? H&S fecked rallying as a spectator sport.
Hi All
Firstly I've signed up just to say thanks to Mark for taking such great pictures of the cars through Sweet Lamb, even my little Skoda (car 81 at the end) - made it look like we were really going quickly!
As for the WRC generally, I think it will take a lot more than the new cars to get the series back to where it was; WRC cars are completely unrelated to road cars, and I think that has taken a lot away from rallying - the cars you see out on the stages have nothing whatsoever to do with a standard one. The costs are massive - BP Ford one year worked out at about £4000 per stage mile per car. Yes, really. If the new cars are less stable (and being smaller they probably will be) then it will be a good thing for the sport as current WRC cars are incredibly able and an engineering masterpiece, but are not the spectacle of old, alas. And the TV coverage needs to be sorted, but BBC Wales proved that it can be done with their excellent 1 hour programme which is still on iPlayer (and I'm not saying that just 'cos I was in it, it was much better than the normal coverage).
mosc7pc2 - I don't think you have a clue about the quality of the drivers. Until you've had a go at it at that level (have you?) then I think you'd be wise to think a bit more about it; make no mistake, even a journeyman WRC driver is WAY better than nearly everybody. Raikkonnen may not be doing too well, but neither him nor Block are incompetent; quite the opposite. Loeb, however, is in a class of his own.
And as Mark says, there's nothing to stop you getting closer to the action should you wish, providing you are sensible about it; there were lots of people out and about on Rally GB (as there is every year), getting really close to the action. There were only a few idiots - one bloke crouched in a hole on the outside of a very slippy line in a fluorescent jacket who put me right off as sliding into him was a real possibility, and bunch of idiots riding mountain bikes WD on the stage in margam. Everyone else was spot on.
Firstly I've signed up just to say thanks to Mark for taking such great pictures of the cars through Sweet Lamb, even my little Skoda (car 81 at the end) - made it look like we were really going quickly!
As for the WRC generally, I think it will take a lot more than the new cars to get the series back to where it was; WRC cars are completely unrelated to road cars, and I think that has taken a lot away from rallying - the cars you see out on the stages have nothing whatsoever to do with a standard one. The costs are massive - BP Ford one year worked out at about £4000 per stage mile per car. Yes, really. If the new cars are less stable (and being smaller they probably will be) then it will be a good thing for the sport as current WRC cars are incredibly able and an engineering masterpiece, but are not the spectacle of old, alas. And the TV coverage needs to be sorted, but BBC Wales proved that it can be done with their excellent 1 hour programme which is still on iPlayer (and I'm not saying that just 'cos I was in it, it was much better than the normal coverage).
mosc7pc2 - I don't think you have a clue about the quality of the drivers. Until you've had a go at it at that level (have you?) then I think you'd be wise to think a bit more about it; make no mistake, even a journeyman WRC driver is WAY better than nearly everybody. Raikkonnen may not be doing too well, but neither him nor Block are incompetent; quite the opposite. Loeb, however, is in a class of his own.
And as Mark says, there's nothing to stop you getting closer to the action should you wish, providing you are sensible about it; there were lots of people out and about on Rally GB (as there is every year), getting really close to the action. There were only a few idiots - one bloke crouched in a hole on the outside of a very slippy line in a fluorescent jacket who put me right off as sliding into him was a real possibility, and bunch of idiots riding mountain bikes WD on the stage in margam. Everyone else was spot on.
As I read somewhere recently.....
NASCAR – “I like to turn left occasionally.”
F1 – “I need strong neck muscles.”
WRC – “Solo driving is for pussies.”
Rally Group B – “I kill people.”
Here is an interesting review of great Rallye cars....
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/11/10-amazingly-...
NASCAR – “I like to turn left occasionally.”
F1 – “I need strong neck muscles.”
WRC – “Solo driving is for pussies.”
Rally Group B – “I kill people.”
Here is an interesting review of great Rallye cars....
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/11/10-amazingly-...
yes was a great event i did the national and a nice photo you have of our escort (CLV wales) in story, the fans where brill the cheered as along on every corner as we where sideaways in the mk2 escort.
its still a favourite after all these years cant wait to do it all again next year
its still a favourite after all these years cant wait to do it all again next year
Edited by milf hunter on Wednesday 17th November 17:02
Edited by milf hunter on Wednesday 17th November 20:07
RadQuinn said:
"BP Ford one year worked out at about £4000 per stage mile per car"
Holy *%)#.....
Actualy thats a bargain, anyone care to work out the cost per circuit mile of a top end F1 team?.... I'm guessing a figure of ten times that!Holy *%)#.....
Still, £4k is a lot and I used to moan about £400 entry fees...
Mikey G said:
Actualy thats a bargain, anyone care to work out the cost per circuit mile of a top end F1 team?.... I'm guessing a figure of ten times that!
Still, £4k is a lot and I used to moan about £400 entry fees...
Okay, seeing as I'm incredibly bored:Still, £4k is a lot and I used to moan about £400 entry fees...
Let's take this year's double champions, Red Bull. They have apparently invested £157m in the past year, which includes racing and research and development.
Now let's take 3 different circuits and calculate the average number of miles:
Monaco - 78 laps & 2.075 miles = 161.85 miles
Silverstone - 52 laps & 3.667 miles = 190.684 miles
Singapore - 61 laps & 3.148 miles = 192.028 miles
The average of those makes roughly 181 miles per Grand Prix.
So there's 19 races on the calendar, which is 6878 miles (2 cars).
Works out at, rounding down, £22,800 per mile.
djaychela said:
Hi All
Firstly I've signed up just to say thanks to Mark for taking such great pictures of the cars through Sweet Lamb, even my little Skoda (car 81 at the end) - made it look like we were really going quickly!
As for the WRC generally, I think it will take a lot more than the new cars to get the series back to where it was; WRC cars are completely unrelated to road cars, and I think that has taken a lot away from rallying - the cars you see out on the stages have nothing whatsoever to do with a standard one. The costs are massive - BP Ford one year worked out at about £4000 per stage mile per car. Yes, really. If the new cars are less stable (and being smaller they probably will be) then it will be a good thing for the sport as current WRC cars are incredibly able and an engineering masterpiece, but are not the spectacle of old, alas. And the TV coverage needs to be sorted, but BBC Wales proved that it can be done with their excellent 1 hour programme which is still on iPlayer (and I'm not saying that just 'cos I was in it, it was much better than the normal coverage).
mosc7pc2 - I don't think you have a clue about the quality of the drivers. Until you've had a go at it at that level (have you?) then I think you'd be wise to think a bit more about it; make no mistake, even a journeyman WRC driver is WAY better than nearly everybody. Raikkonnen may not be doing too well, but neither him nor Block are incompetent; quite the opposite. Loeb, however, is in a class of his own.
And as Mark says, there's nothing to stop you getting closer to the action should you wish, providing you are sensible about it; there were lots of people out and about on Rally GB (as there is every year), getting really close to the action. There were only a few idiots - one bloke crouched in a hole on the outside of a very slippy line in a fluorescent jacket who put me right off as sliding into him was a real possibility, and bunch of idiots riding mountain bikes WD on the stage in margam. Everyone else was spot on.
You are the Felicia guy then...Firstly I've signed up just to say thanks to Mark for taking such great pictures of the cars through Sweet Lamb, even my little Skoda (car 81 at the end) - made it look like we were really going quickly!
As for the WRC generally, I think it will take a lot more than the new cars to get the series back to where it was; WRC cars are completely unrelated to road cars, and I think that has taken a lot away from rallying - the cars you see out on the stages have nothing whatsoever to do with a standard one. The costs are massive - BP Ford one year worked out at about £4000 per stage mile per car. Yes, really. If the new cars are less stable (and being smaller they probably will be) then it will be a good thing for the sport as current WRC cars are incredibly able and an engineering masterpiece, but are not the spectacle of old, alas. And the TV coverage needs to be sorted, but BBC Wales proved that it can be done with their excellent 1 hour programme which is still on iPlayer (and I'm not saying that just 'cos I was in it, it was much better than the normal coverage).
mosc7pc2 - I don't think you have a clue about the quality of the drivers. Until you've had a go at it at that level (have you?) then I think you'd be wise to think a bit more about it; make no mistake, even a journeyman WRC driver is WAY better than nearly everybody. Raikkonnen may not be doing too well, but neither him nor Block are incompetent; quite the opposite. Loeb, however, is in a class of his own.
And as Mark says, there's nothing to stop you getting closer to the action should you wish, providing you are sensible about it; there were lots of people out and about on Rally GB (as there is every year), getting really close to the action. There were only a few idiots - one bloke crouched in a hole on the outside of a very slippy line in a fluorescent jacket who put me right off as sliding into him was a real possibility, and bunch of idiots riding mountain bikes WD on the stage in margam. Everyone else was spot on.
Did a big cheer seeing you pass on the Resolven stage last weekend.
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