RE: Billions for new roads. Maybe
Discussion
"biggest, boldest and most far-reaching road improvement programme"
what does that mean? they are actually going to resurface the roads properly for a change rather than chuck a couple of lorry loads of loose chippings on a thin layer of already-gone-off tarmac spread over the top of the existing broken top surface?
what does that mean? they are actually going to resurface the roads properly for a change rather than chuck a couple of lorry loads of loose chippings on a thin layer of already-gone-off tarmac spread over the top of the existing broken top surface?
I live a couple of miles away from the end M67 and the start of the Woodend Pass - the solution to the nightmare, the Mottram bypass has been promised by Conservatives and then squashed by Labour on and off for years.
It still amazes me the amount of money that seems to get spent on infrastructure dawn sawf compared to what we get in the North. I'm sure it won't happen.
I'm also amazed by the quality of the motorway network - huge potholes in the outside lane of a motorway has got to be dangerous, yet I'm noticing them all the time!
It still amazes me the amount of money that seems to get spent on infrastructure dawn sawf compared to what we get in the North. I'm sure it won't happen.
I'm also amazed by the quality of the motorway network - huge potholes in the outside lane of a motorway has got to be dangerous, yet I'm noticing them all the time!
Sheepshanks said:
Uncle John said:
The M25 needs another one building outside of it, and all trunks off of it are just overloaded as any accident or incident results in 10 mile queues!! Not going to happen though unfortunately.....
I thought it was originally intended there would be another ring road inside the M25 - so the outside M25 is the one that's already there?I think the A329(M) would have been part of the outer ring outside the M25 linking the M3 and M4.
Why spend £50bn (so that will be £100bn then) on the HS2 boondoggle, then another £7bn (so that'll be £15bn then) on Gorgeous George's HS3 trans-Pennine rail link, when what is needed is a 6-lane A1M from Peterboro'-Edinburgh, extra lanes on the M62 linking the M6 to the M1, & an 8-lane replacement for the A14 from the M11 to the M1. A 6-lane A66M from Penrith - Teeside, ditto A69M Carlisle -Newcastle. Don't even get me started on the inadequacies of the M6 Manchester-Brum or the M5....
I'm sure Mr Cameron will keep his promises, e.g no more top-down reorgs of the NHS, the only thing that will be cut in the NHS will be the bureaucracy, there will be a bonfire of the quangos etc. Perhaps we should have 2 mins silence in memory these dead promises today...
I'm sure Mr Cameron will keep his promises, e.g no more top-down reorgs of the NHS, the only thing that will be cut in the NHS will be the bureaucracy, there will be a bonfire of the quangos etc. Perhaps we should have 2 mins silence in memory these dead promises today...
Totally agree with all that's been said.
Question: what makes people want to be politicians? Isn't it to serve the people?....
All they do these days is shaft the people and feather their own nests. The expenses scam is still going on, it's just that they're managing to keep it quiet this time.
The country is overcrowded, housing estates being thrown up everywhere, borders open to everyone with handouts left, right and centre, existing roads are pathetically maintained etc, etc, etc. Also massive cuts to policing and other services which have been brushed over.
Labour will no doubt promise the earth to get their hands into the honey jar. I don't trust them as far as I could throw them.
Politicians eh? Do we need them?
Question: what makes people want to be politicians? Isn't it to serve the people?....
All they do these days is shaft the people and feather their own nests. The expenses scam is still going on, it's just that they're managing to keep it quiet this time.
The country is overcrowded, housing estates being thrown up everywhere, borders open to everyone with handouts left, right and centre, existing roads are pathetically maintained etc, etc, etc. Also massive cuts to policing and other services which have been brushed over.
Labour will no doubt promise the earth to get their hands into the honey jar. I don't trust them as far as I could throw them.
Politicians eh? Do we need them?
Politicians are all well and good. David Cameron is my hero.
It's the useless idiots who can't drive for s
t that are the problem. Get all the tts off the road who cause accidents and traffic jams by not understanding anticipation, using their phone, lighting fags, satnav stuck in the middle of the windsceen et al, and we'd have half the traffic we do now.
Problem solved.
(not to mention the drop in CO2 emissions and insurance premiums. And road deaths. And traffic jams. And road wear.)
It's the useless idiots who can't drive for s
t that are the problem. Get all the tts off the road who cause accidents and traffic jams by not understanding anticipation, using their phone, lighting fags, satnav stuck in the middle of the windsceen et al, and we'd have half the traffic we do now.Problem solved.
(not to mention the drop in CO2 emissions and insurance premiums. And road deaths. And traffic jams. And road wear.)
suffolk009 said:
It's nothing new, but we recently had the main road through our village resurfaced with quiet tarmac. Very noticeable in a convertible.
Within 10 days of finishing it they were digging holes in it. Unbelievable.
Within 10 days of finishing it they were digging holes in it. Unbelievable.
They should ban hole digging unless they resurface the entire road for 20m each side of the digging, to the spec required for the original road.
That might mean some fore-thought to digging.
Imo these new roads are all arse though. Change compulsory working hours to a set of core ones and allow more flexible working. Spread congestion over roads in time is a cheap way to make them better.
Personally I seem to spend more time in traffic around towns/cities these days than major trunk routes. More by-pass routes and upgraded ring-road systems should be implemented and ring-fenced so urban sprawl can't slowly degrade them into crappy urban roads over a generation or two.
Imo, roads should be managed regionally, trusting them to "here today gone tomorrow" cock stands in London is no use.
Dave
I started a thread about this yesterday; do keep up! I also uncovered the fact it's recycled bks; the spending was announced last year by the treasury. This is just a cheesy copy of the Blair's trick of repeatedly announcing the same spending commitment as though it was a new thing.
ks; the spending was announced last year by the treasury. This is just a cheesy copy of the Blair's trick of repeatedly announcing the same spending commitment as though it was a new thing.The only thing these Governments will spend money on is Speed cameras,
Transport for London are rolling out more scameras this will then be rolled out across the country, that you can 100% Guarntee. More Average Speed Scameras will also be rolled out.
They will also reduce Speed in more urban areas making 20MPH Zones. Width Restrictions and Speed ramps.
Last night in our Capital city I had the pleasure of using Prince of wales drive next to Battersea Park, its a residential road with Speed bumps designed for Chelsea Tractors, My car got ripped to bits going over these ramps at 0.1 mph, I seriously thought I would not make it over them. The best way forward would be to revert to Horse and Cart, that way you would clear these ridiculous ramps.
"Transport For London" fkING UP EVERY ROAD FOR THE TAX PAYING HONEST MOTORIST! 
Transport for London are rolling out more scameras this will then be rolled out across the country, that you can 100% Guarntee. More Average Speed Scameras will also be rolled out.
They will also reduce Speed in more urban areas making 20MPH Zones. Width Restrictions and Speed ramps.
Last night in our Capital city I had the pleasure of using Prince of wales drive next to Battersea Park, its a residential road with Speed bumps designed for Chelsea Tractors, My car got ripped to bits going over these ramps at 0.1 mph, I seriously thought I would not make it over them. The best way forward would be to revert to Horse and Cart, that way you would clear these ridiculous ramps.
"Transport For London" f
kING UP EVERY ROAD FOR THE TAX PAYING HONEST MOTORIST! GTR Cook said:
Andy20vt said:
Why not fix up the roads we already so that they're fit for purpose first? The first thing you notice about driving in mainland Europe is that the condition of the roads over there is far, far better. Even Spain has roads in better condition, and blaming it on harsh winters just doesn't cut it I'm afraid since having just returned from driving in Norway & Sweden and roads there are in fantastic condition.
Utility companies if they dig up the road should be made to repair things properly (i.e. by resurfacing the whole road). Residents in our area had been lobbying the council for ages to get a busy but terribly potholed road resurface properly (rather than the usual shove a bit of bitumen down in the holes, and return again to do the same in 6 months because its now even worse than it was before). Finally last year the road was fully resurfaced, lovely, smooth etc. Wonderful.
6 weeks later (yes 6 weeks!), the water company came and dug a sodding great trench down the new road to supply a new development. Poorly patched repair and now less than 12 months after it was fully resurfaced the road is uneven, lumpy and starting to break up again. We've all paid for that. Absolutely boils my p**s! Cretins!
Agree with this. Utility companies should get one chance to lay anything under the road before it gets resurfaced. Once its been resurfaced, thats it, no digging.Utility companies if they dig up the road should be made to repair things properly (i.e. by resurfacing the whole road). Residents in our area had been lobbying the council for ages to get a busy but terribly potholed road resurface properly (rather than the usual shove a bit of bitumen down in the holes, and return again to do the same in 6 months because its now even worse than it was before). Finally last year the road was fully resurfaced, lovely, smooth etc. Wonderful.
6 weeks later (yes 6 weeks!), the water company came and dug a sodding great trench down the new road to supply a new development. Poorly patched repair and now less than 12 months after it was fully resurfaced the road is uneven, lumpy and starting to break up again. We've all paid for that. Absolutely boils my p**s! Cretins!
Welcome to your new home. We would be grateful if you could buy lots of bottled water, and a garage full of batteries.
We will endeavour to supply you with water and electricity in a few years once the road has degenerated.
In the meantime you and the rest of your tax paying, rate paying neighbours can use your gardens as temporary lavatories.
Best regards
Selfish motorist
To be fair as soon as the election was won some spending was started. The new South Devon link road has been debated for 40 years but this government finally signed off the £110 million to build it. Anyone who has driven into Torquay recently would know how big a project it is (7 bridges and flyovers for a start). Better off with this lot than Labour's stated policy of a freeze on road building which was supposed to force traffic and car travel to be self limiting thereby forcing people onto all the non-existent public transport solutions that we have.
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If I was in power I'd be seriously looking at cancelling HS2 and channelling the money into a modern road and cycle lane network plus decent 3G/4G phone reception over the whole country instead. If you talk to real business people then this is what they want to facilitate commuting and reliable logistics.
http://www.gallifordtry.co.uk/capabilities/constru...
If I was in power I'd be seriously looking at cancelling HS2 and channelling the money into a modern road and cycle lane network plus decent 3G/4G phone reception over the whole country instead. If you talk to real business people then this is what they want to facilitate commuting and reliable logistics.
Al 450 said:
If I was in power I'd be seriously looking at cancelling HS2 and channelling the money into a modern road and cycle lane network plus decent 3G/4G phone reception over the whole country instead. If you talk to real business people then this is what they want to facilitate commuting and reliable logistics.
For sure, mobile companies are rolling out 4G before they even have 3G sorted properly. Plus there's tons of remote places with no signal whatsoever.HS2 will be an expensive white elephant, expensive for the tax payer, and prohibitively expensive for the end user. You only have to look at the cost of a peak time return from Manchester to London using the existing system. If I wanted to travel to London tomorrow for a mid morning meeting, returning after 3pm then the total cost for a return would be £321.00. And you wonder why people like to drive. What's that same journey going to cost on HS2?
A good use of the railways would be to get the freight off the roads. Regional hubs used to whisk long distance trucks to another regional hub near their end destination. Something like this:
Also imagine the improvements in the existing rail network 50 billion could make. Re-guaging to European train sizes, double deck trains to increase capacity, electrification etc. With HS2 we'll have a two tier system, not an integrated approach. A fast, expensive rail system, going to not many places, that most can't afford to use. The rest of us will be left with a crumbling, cramped, old fashioned system that's light years behind the rest of Europe.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 11th November 18:38
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 11th November 18:40
Something to get the lorries off the road would improve things vastly. But lots of our roads are adequate IMO, it's the poor lane discipline that causes the massive congestion. The M5 and M4 often look like single carriageways by the way they are used, i.e. everyone piling in to lane 3 as soon as traffic gets a bit heavy. Lots of people are just too lazy/ignorant to keep left unless over taking.
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