Why are motorway location signs/markers in metric units?

Why are motorway location signs/markers in metric units?

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aturnick54

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28 months

Monday 22nd January
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A random thought that was on my mind on this windy Monday.

On motorways and major A roads, these markers and location signs are used to allow emergency services to find the location of a driver (if they've called using a mobile phone for example).



These signs are installed at 0.5km intervals, and distances are shown in kilometres to one decimal place. The marker posts are installed at 0.1km intervals, and again distances are in kilometres.

I'm thinking this may be something to do with road planning, as distances for this is also done in metric measurements. But why do they use metric on these sign posts, and stick to using imperial measurements on road signs? Surely it would make more sense to keep the units in an imperial measurement.

There is the argument that metric measurements are easier to visualise than imperial, which leads to the question of why aren't all signs metric instead?

Roger Irrelevant

2,933 posts

113 months

Monday 22nd January
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aturnick54 said:
There is the argument that metric measurements are easier to visualise than imperial, which leads to the question of why aren't all signs metric instead?
Just too much hassle to change it all now I suppose, plus as soon as somebody suggests it you'd have all the GB News viewers losing their minds and vowing to cut down the metric signage. For all intents and purposes the distance markers you're talking about are completely separate from the imperial signs that drivers use so they may as well use the more sensible metric system.

GroundEffect

13,836 posts

156 months

Monday 22nd January
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As a country we're metric in any official capacity. Road traffic signs are an area of persistence in the archaic nonsense.

vikingaero

10,338 posts

169 months

Monday 22nd January
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It's to confuse the invading Europeans.

Dark85

661 posts

148 months

Monday 22nd January
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GroundEffect said:
As a country we're metric in any official capacity. Road traffic signs are an area of persistence in the archaic nonsense.
I always thought that, although it was a slightly odd move at the time, it was done on the assumption the UK would continue to modernise and thus would go fully metric at some point so they were avoiding needing to make changes to thousands of signs in the future. Little could they have known how regressive we would become.

But maybe metric was already in standard use for more official things by that point anyway.


CivicDuties

4,637 posts

30 months

Monday 22nd January
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It's so the HTO Womble Walts can pretend to be in a proper military or policing unit by telling base how many clicks they are from the scene, over.

fflump

1,369 posts

38 months

Monday 22nd January
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GroundEffect said:
As a country we're metric in any official capacity. Road traffic signs are an area of persistence in the archaic nonsense.
Not all laws relating to measures use metric units so I don't think it is correct to say we're fully metric in 'any official capacity'

boyse7en

6,727 posts

165 months

Monday 22nd January
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fflump said:
Not all laws relating to measures use metric units so I don't think it is correct to say we're fully metric in 'any official capacity'
You can even buy wine by the pint now, thanks to a recent change to the law. Those Brexit freedoms finally coming to fruition...

aturnick54

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28 months

Monday 22nd January
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Roger Irrelevant said:
Just too much hassle to change it all now I suppose, plus as soon as somebody suggests it you'd have all the GB News viewers losing their minds and vowing to cut down the metric signage. For all intents and purposes the distance markers you're talking about are completely separate from the imperial signs that drivers use so they may as well use the more sensible metric system.
Possibly the cost of updating signs yes. But I'm sure the vast majority these days would be happy to see metric signs. If it were up to the GB News viewers, we'd be still using shillings and crowns.

fflump

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38 months

Monday 22nd January
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boyse7en said:
fflump said:
Not all laws relating to measures use metric units so I don't think it is correct to say we're fully metric in 'any official capacity'
You can even buy wine by the pint now, thanks to a recent change to the law. Those Brexit freedoms finally coming to fruition...
Yep. Wine by the pint and an extra £350M per week for the NHS to sort your liver out afterwards. Pure Utopia.

I am alright Jack

3,702 posts

143 months

Monday 22nd January
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aturnick54 said:
Roger Irrelevant said:
Just too much hassle to change it all now I suppose, plus as soon as somebody suggests it you'd have all the GB News viewers losing their minds and vowing to cut down the metric signage. For all intents and purposes the distance markers you're talking about are completely separate from the imperial signs that drivers use so they may as well use the more sensible metric system.
Possibly the cost of updating signs yes. But I'm sure the vast majority these days would be happy to see metric signs. If it were up to the GB News viewers, we'd be still using shillings and crowns.
Are the GB news viewers in the room with you now?


ingenieur

4,097 posts

181 months

Monday 22nd January
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GroundEffect said:
As a country we're metric in any official capacity. Road traffic signs are an area of persistence in the archaic nonsense.
I'll use that next time I'm accused of breaking the imperial speed limit.

In the official capacity of the judicial system it is an argument which is sure to work.

Watcher of the skies

530 posts

37 months

Monday 22nd January
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Do emergency services vehicles have metric odometers? If not I can't see how these signs are very helpful to them.

kambites

67,575 posts

221 months

Monday 22nd January
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Watcher of the skies said:
Do emergency services vehicles have metric odometers? If not I can't see how these signs are very helpful to them.
I'd imagine they use some sort of sat nav which has the locations of the markers on the map?

RazerSauber

2,280 posts

60 months

Monday 22nd January
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I don't think many care about what measurement is used when they're driving, much less will care about what the markers denote. Lower numbers = destination or landmark is closer. Doesn't matter if it's kilometres, miles or barleycorns, lower is closer.

kambites

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221 months

Monday 22nd January
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RazerSauber said:
I don't think many care about what measurement is used when they're driving, much less will care about what the markers denote. Lower numbers = destination or landmark is closer. Doesn't matter if it's kilometres, miles or barleycorns, lower is closer.
Yeah the only real advantage in changing limits to kph is that we wouldn't have to change speedometers when importing cars. It would be more relevant if we drove on the right, but since our cars are fundamentally different anyway it's a bit of a moot point for the huge majority of people.

Roger Irrelevant

2,933 posts

113 months

Monday 22nd January
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Watcher of the skies said:
Do emergency services vehicles have metric odometers? If not I can't see how these signs are very helpful to them.
Don't they just get told that they need to go to kilometre marker X and then they look for kilometre marker X? If so they are quite helpful.

ingenieur

4,097 posts

181 months

Monday 22nd January
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RazerSauber said:
I don't think many care about what measurement is used when they're driving, much less will care about what the markers denote. Lower numbers = destination or landmark is closer. Doesn't matter if it's kilometres, miles or barleycorns, lower is closer.
Hmm... there is a certain amount of familiarity with measurements which counts for something. So not sure I agree that any measurement will do.

When you go to the pub (if you are like me) you say you can have about 3 pints before it's time to call it a day. What works less well is to say you can drink 3 glasses of beer without knowing how much those glasses hold. They could be big glasses or small glasses and you wouldn't really be able to figure it out. Much better if you know they're pint glasses.

Watcher of the skies

530 posts

37 months

Monday 22nd January
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Which goes with my earlier point. All the other road signs are in imperial. If you ask most people how far it is from town a to town b they will give you the distance in miles (apart from those that confuse distance with time).

kambites

67,575 posts

221 months

Monday 22nd January
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Watcher of the skies said:
Which goes with my earlier point. All the other road signs are in imperial. If you ask most people how far it is from town a to town b they will give you the distance in miles (apart from those that confuse distance with time).
I think that's increasingly not true of younger people. My daughter seems happier using km than miles for distance measurement (although of course that might change when she's old enough to drive). I'm about equally happy with both units but that may be because I've spent quite a lot of time driving in countries which use km.