cat and fiddle to get average speed camers

[dinsdale]

Not sure if this has been posted already, but our local paper ran a piece on the dreaded average camers being installed on the cat and fiddle road next easter.....

Best enjoy before its' too late

How long before its' a crime to think about speeding??

Watch out for big brother

[Shay HTFC]

I think most bikers within the vicinity will now be learning how to cover their numberplate with their foot whilst they ride past the cameras.

I can also see some entrepreneur making a killing setting up a burger van just 100m inside the 'zone'. Spend 10 mins scoffing a burger = average speed of 15mph or something

[Chris71]

That's a great shame, but I guess - from a government point of view - it makes sense. They're not going to generate revenue from us lot if they only tax enforce urban limits and the like which few people break.

[mmm-five]

Shay HTFC said:

I think most bikers within the vicinity will now be learning how to cover their numberplate with their foot whilst they ride past the cameras.

Why would they need to do that - I though the average speed cameras took forward-facing photos?

However, my numberplates seem to have been stolen/fallen off officer

[plasticpig]

If so many people didn't kill or badly injure themselves on C&F then there would be no justification for average speed cameras. It's bad driving & biking which has caused this.

[Shay HTFC]

mmm-five said:

Shay HTFC said:

I think most bikers within the vicinity will now be learning how to cover their numberplate with their foot whilst they ride past the cameras.

Why would they need to do that - I though the average speed cameras took forward-facing photos?

However, my numberplates seem to have been stolen/fallen off officer

I heard somewhere that these are rear facing cameras? The technology recently became available and as far as I know, there are some rear facing SPECS cameras already in use in the country somewhere.

[radlet6]

Shay HTFC said:

I think most bikers within the vicinity will now be learning how to cover their numberplate with their foot whilst they ride past the cameras.

I can also see some entrepreneur making a killing setting up a burger van just 100m inside the 'zone'. Spend 10 mins scoffing a burger = average speed of 15mph or something

Alernatively you could stop at the Cat & Fiddle for a couple of bevvies (non-alcohollc of course) and then continue.

What would happen then if you blasted along 7/8 of the route, turned round and came back? Although I belive there will be more than just two cameras along the route.

I've come back to edit this as I have just had a thought. Average speed cameras work as per their namesake: taking an average speed over a set distance. Now these work well on roads where your average speed could be close or easily exceed the legal speed limit such as motorways and dual carriageways, but how will they work on something like the Cat & Fiddle road wher tight bends can really reduce your average speed?

Right so let's say that the camera is set to the national speed limit for your average A road, i.e. 60mph. You are still really going to have to tramp on to average 60 on the C&F. So to make them effective you would have to set them at a lower limit, but what? and who would set it? and would that be legally enforcable?

The only other way would be to place two cameras on the straight bits, but my recollection is that there aren't too many of those. But more importantly would they be far enough apart to give an accurate and reliable reading that would again resist legal challenge?

Any legal eagles out there that can shed light on this?

Edited by radlet6 on Wednesday 4th November 23:29

[7mike]

radlet6 said:

The only other way would be to place two cameras on the straight bits, but my recollection is that there aren't too many of those. But more importantly would they be far enough apart to give an accurate and reliable reading that would again resist legal challenge?

Turn left out of the pub car park & it's a long straight all the way down past the junction with the A54.
Good point about how they can set an average speed for the rest of it though.

[radlet6]

But that's it, so go past the first camera, have a lemonade and a bag of crisps in the pub and give it laldy down to the next one; simples.

[J500ANT]

Lets hope the NIMBYs object to having yellow camera gantrys spoiling their view and get it thrown out.

[norman156]

radlet6 said:

Right so let's say that the camera is set to the national speed limit for your average A road, i.e. 60mph. You are still really going to have to tramp on to average 60 on the C&F. So to make them effective you would have to set them at a lower limit, but what? and who would set it? and would that be legally enforcable?

The only other way would be to place two cameras on the straight bits, but my recollection is that there aren't too many of those. But more importantly would they be far enough apart to give an accurate and reliable reading that would again resist legal challenge?

Any legal eagles out there that can shed light on this?

Edited by radlet6 on Wednesday 4th November 23:29

The limit on C&F is 50 at the minute, but even so that is a very good point, you'd have to be pretty determined to manage over 50 mph average I'd have thought... These average speed checks just can't be practical for a road like this surely? I'd like to know where this local rag is getting their information.

[mmm-five]

I'd assume that there wouldn't simply be one camera at one end and another camera at the other - which would make it simple to avoid averaging over 50mph.

My guess is that there will be 4-6 cameras and they'll be at the start & end of the faster sections (i.e. where you can easily top 100mph), and just before & after the inn.

You'd have to average 50mph between each of those sections to avoid a ticket.

[saaby93]

Have there been less accidents since they put in the 50?

[radlet6]

saaby93 said:

Have there been less accidents since they put in the 50?

I doubt it

[Ninjaboy]

I can't see how they intend to make camera's work on the A537 and secondly the camera's seem very unpopular with everyone, how long will the camera's remain unvandalised in such remote locations. If it happens it's very worrying.

[Allyc85]

Gutted, will have to make sure I get up there early next year.

[CraigyB]

If I was designing the system for plod, I would run this test..

You and friend with similar bike and leathers head out, and take a copy of each other's number plate.
Person 1 drives past first camera, stops, phones mate with what looks like same bike for all purposes, who then drives through the other camera some miles away.

Average speed appears to be 500 mph

[djfirehawk]

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults...


Tuesday its official!!!!

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ninjaboy]

Britain really is becoming like V for Vendetta isnt it, We can only hope Brown comes to a similar end as Mr Suttler pmsl.

[Ninjaboy]

I also wanted to add to any council/tourism bods who do read on here from time to time from. I won't be spending a single penny on days out in your neck of the woods. I get the message I'M NOT WELCOME so go a and fk yourselfs.