99t's Saab 99 Turbo
Discussion
IroningMan said:
Is it just me, or is the tailgate on your donor car in better nick?
No you're right it was better, although it had similar rust issues around the window flanges, just not as bad.Unfortunately it was a 900 style rather than 99 style tailgate (different around handle, fog lights etc) and so not correct for the car. Could have been modified of course but not worth it when it had rust too.
Alternatively, had it beeen rust free I could have cut repair sections out of it, but once I took the glass out it was clear that it wasn't to be
99t said:
No you're right it was better, although it had similar rust issues around the window flanges, just not as bad.
Unfortunately it was a 900 style rather than 99 style tailgate (different around handle, fog lights etc) and so not correct for the car. Could have been modified of course but not worth it when it had rust too.
Alternatively, had it beeen rust free I could have cut repair sections out of it, but once I took the glass out it was clear that it wasn't to be
Ah.Unfortunately it was a 900 style rather than 99 style tailgate (different around handle, fog lights etc) and so not correct for the car. Could have been modified of course but not worth it when it had rust too.
Alternatively, had it beeen rust free I could have cut repair sections out of it, but once I took the glass out it was clear that it wasn't to be
Oh well, if I had your welding and fabrication skills I wouldn't need to own a fibreglass classic...
Only just seen this thread
I wanted to ask why you call the car an EMS Turbo ?
Does it say that on the V5 ?
It always confused me as an EMS is a different and even rarer model.
I do have a fairly good knowledge of these as i was a SAAB main dealer apprentice,then
through to Master Technician 1979 to 1995.
I worked on a lot of these especially the frankly rubbish wastegate valve and diaphragm.
I wanted to ask why you call the car an EMS Turbo ?
Does it say that on the V5 ?
It always confused me as an EMS is a different and even rarer model.
I do have a fairly good knowledge of these as i was a SAAB main dealer apprentice,then
through to Master Technician 1979 to 1995.
I worked on a lot of these especially the frankly rubbish wastegate valve and diaphragm.
iva cosworth said:
Only just seen this thread
I wanted to ask why you call the car an EMS Turbo ?
Does it say that on the V5 ?
It always confused me as an EMS is a different and even rarer model.
I do have a fairly good knowledge of these as i was a SAAB main dealer apprentice,then
through to Master Technician 1979 to 1995.
I worked on a lot of these especially the frankly rubbish wastegate valve and diaphragm.
I know what you mean, yes that is per the V5. I wanted to ask why you call the car an EMS Turbo ?
Does it say that on the V5 ?
It always confused me as an EMS is a different and even rarer model.
I do have a fairly good knowledge of these as i was a SAAB main dealer apprentice,then
through to Master Technician 1979 to 1995.
I worked on a lot of these especially the frankly rubbish wastegate valve and diaphragm.
Maybe to do with initial type approval? Later ones lost the EMS designation on the log book AFAIK. But I suppose, technically, it is an EMS with a turbo!!
And yes I would love to find a 99 EMS, 3-door, in Cardinal Red, rust free in a barn somewhere!! One can dream...
99t said:
I know what you mean, yes that is per the V5.
Maybe to do with initial type approval? Later ones lost the EMS designation on the log book AFAIK. But I suppose, technically, it is an EMS with a turbo!!
And yes I would love to find a 99 EMS, 3-door, in Cardinal Red, rust free in a barn somewhere!! One can dream...
I always thought 'EMS' stood for 'Engine Management System' referring to the fuel injection system?Maybe to do with initial type approval? Later ones lost the EMS designation on the log book AFAIK. But I suppose, technically, it is an EMS with a turbo!!
And yes I would love to find a 99 EMS, 3-door, in Cardinal Red, rust free in a barn somewhere!! One can dream...
99t said:
Cardinal Red (ok on a Turbo not an EMS)
EMS = Electronic Manual Special I believe, or the Swedish equivalent perhaps?
Correct EMS ,because the first EMSs had D jetronic an ECU electric system,completely different toEMS = Electronic Manual Special I believe, or the Swedish equivalent perhaps?
the later much more common K jetronic.
Thanks for the info re the V5.
I always thought it odd for people to describe them that way in for sale ads eg
I'm making slow but steady progress, squeezing in an hour or so as regularly as possible although the weekends always seem to get eaten up with "family" stuff - although that's not really a complaint, honestly!!
The worst of the tailgate repair is now done. I welded the lower sections together in-situ and thoroughly painted and sealed it before turning my attention to the upper section.
The basic shapes were formed by careful cutting and folding.
These shapes were lightly tacked together to form a one piece repair section which I then removed from the tailgate again before welding it up on the rear, dressed the welds and painted it with weld through primer.
Finally I welded the section back into the tailgate. Not particularly pretty at this stage but more importantly the shape of the flange section where the window rubber seats appears correct, since if this isn't right it will almost certainly leak.
Welds dressed, a skim of filler, it's getting pretty close. Obviously it will need final flatting down before paint and even though any flaws would be completely hidden by the rear spoiler when it is re-fitted, that is no excuse for a sub-standard finish.
Fortunately the same corner on the other side isn't nearly as far gone although it will need still need some new metal letting in...
The worst of the tailgate repair is now done. I welded the lower sections together in-situ and thoroughly painted and sealed it before turning my attention to the upper section.
The basic shapes were formed by careful cutting and folding.
These shapes were lightly tacked together to form a one piece repair section which I then removed from the tailgate again before welding it up on the rear, dressed the welds and painted it with weld through primer.
Finally I welded the section back into the tailgate. Not particularly pretty at this stage but more importantly the shape of the flange section where the window rubber seats appears correct, since if this isn't right it will almost certainly leak.
Welds dressed, a skim of filler, it's getting pretty close. Obviously it will need final flatting down before paint and even though any flaws would be completely hidden by the rear spoiler when it is re-fitted, that is no excuse for a sub-standard finish.
Fortunately the same corner on the other side isn't nearly as far gone although it will need still need some new metal letting in...
AZZLES said:
Great car, Saab's dark side of the moon
What does the 'extra' button do?
On this one, the front fog lights.What does the 'extra' button do?
On my 2dr 99 turbo it was wired up as an engine immobiliser, although this wasn't known to the previous owner and hence why (via a very lucky guess) I was able to buy it as a non-runner and fix it for zero pounds and zero pence in about 30 seconds flat!!
After faffing around with the tailgate repair for many hours I wanted to get stuck into something a bit more structural.
The next bit is quite photo-heavy but I think illustrates the extent of the tin-worm and complexity of the repair needed better that way...
The rear end of the drivers-side rear wheelarch, just behind the torque arm mounting point.
This is one of the key rust spots on 99's and from what I've seen, 900's will go here just as readily if left untreated. Proper repair is fairly involved as so many panels join together into one seam, which itself is partially hidden behind the rear "chassis leg" section. By the time rust becomes visibly evident, it will already be well progressed in the seams and out of sight and very difficult to treat effectively without major surgery...
Cutting away the outer wing return to gain better access
Inner wheelarch section unpicked (mixture of spot and seam welds)
Trim off a small rotten section of the chassis leg end, which is intended to be a drain point, but which fills with muck and then retains moisture, helping the whole process along...
Don't really know what to call the next piece removed, sort of vertical closing section of the boot floor that seals the inside of the chassis leg drain...
And finally the rotten flange and a small section of the boot floor
Big holes!!
And the clean up and treatment of the good metal begins...
The next bit is quite photo-heavy but I think illustrates the extent of the tin-worm and complexity of the repair needed better that way...
The rear end of the drivers-side rear wheelarch, just behind the torque arm mounting point.
This is one of the key rust spots on 99's and from what I've seen, 900's will go here just as readily if left untreated. Proper repair is fairly involved as so many panels join together into one seam, which itself is partially hidden behind the rear "chassis leg" section. By the time rust becomes visibly evident, it will already be well progressed in the seams and out of sight and very difficult to treat effectively without major surgery...
Cutting away the outer wing return to gain better access
Inner wheelarch section unpicked (mixture of spot and seam welds)
Trim off a small rotten section of the chassis leg end, which is intended to be a drain point, but which fills with muck and then retains moisture, helping the whole process along...
Don't really know what to call the next piece removed, sort of vertical closing section of the boot floor that seals the inside of the chassis leg drain...
And finally the rotten flange and a small section of the boot floor
Big holes!!
And the clean up and treatment of the good metal begins...
99t said:
On this one, the front fog lights.
On my 2dr 99 turbo it was wired up as an engine immobiliser, although this wasn't known to the previous owner and hence why (via a very lucky guess) I was able to buy it as a non-runner and fix it for zero pounds and zero pence in about 30 seconds flat!!
so it was just a blank button that could be wired up to do basically anything? On my 2dr 99 turbo it was wired up as an engine immobiliser, although this wasn't known to the previous owner and hence why (via a very lucky guess) I was able to buy it as a non-runner and fix it for zero pounds and zero pence in about 30 seconds flat!!
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