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bakerstreet

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1,015 posts

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Greetings

I've wanted to own a Land Rover for over 20 years and on Friday I picked up a 1983 Land Rover Series 3 2.25 Diesel. Its got Fairy over drive and Disco 1 steel wheels, but thats it for the optional extras!

The body is a bit shabby, but underneath is perfect. Outriggers replaced along with rear 1/4 chassis and front spring hangers. Quality of welding is superb and its all been painted under there too, so I think there a good ten years in that chassis yet smile

I drove it back nearly 100 miles and it didn't skip a beat. Temp gauge stayed dead centre through out my entire journey including when I got lost in the centre of Cambridge in traffic!

Future Plans

- Ditch the Disco steel wheels and replace with standard series wheels which thankfully came with the car and fit them with Insa Turbo Dakar tyres.
- Replace both door tops
- Replace all three seats
- Fit inersia seat belts
- Fix Speedo cable
- Sort out door catches
- Refurb the brakes (New shoes, pistons & springs)
- Service and replace steering components

If I keep it long term, I'm planning on putting a 200tdi lump in. The diesel engine seems ok mechanically, but its very slow and loud. May look at the petrol engine too, but the 200tdi offers much more benefits.

I'd also like a delux model bonnet, so I can mount the spare on there. I test drove a couple that had the spare mounted on the bonneta nd I loved the view!

I'm pretty excited to finally own a Land Rover. I love the look of the series and it was incredibly cheap to insure at £120 from Adrian Flux. I originally wanted a Disco, but I got fed up at looking at failed electrics, shot bodywork and numouerous warning lights.

I'm hoping to make it to some of the trips on the PH trips on the plains.

Will probably post in Land Rover sub forum too smile


hidetheelephants

5,705 posts

63 months

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Seriously, don't put the spare on the bonnet unless you're a PH standard-issue 6'4" well-built director of multiple companies. They're fking heavy to open with it on, and the bonnet prop is rubbish and flimsy; if you must have the safari look, take the bloody thing off before delving under the bonnet to avoid it closing itself onto your head.

bakerstreet

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hidetheelephants said:
Seriously, don't put the spare on the bonnet unless you're a PH standard-issue 6'4" well-built director of multiple companies. They're fking heavy to open with it on, and the bonnet prop is rubbish and flimsy; if you must have the safari look, take the bloody thing off before delving under the bonnet to avoid it closing itself onto your head.
I've been thinking about that. I have to admit I popped the bonnet on one with the wheel fitted to the bonnet the other day and yikes it was heavy!

Its on the last of my things to do as the delux bonnet doesn't come up very often and I want to fix everything else first smile

6fire

380 posts

21 months

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Glad you finally got one. I did wonder if you ever would. We've talked about L/R's before on a different forum (where I had a different user name). I used to own a Series 2a LWB. Brilliant things. Mine is still going strong - not with me owning it though unfortunately.

I always found the 2.25 diesel to be not very good. Enough power to pull the skin off a rice pudding. Just. And they always seemed to smoke a lot. A Tdi motor will be a good upgrade - everyone will probably tell you that the halfshafts will snap. They won't so long as you drive it with some sympathy. And even if they do, take the half shafts out, pop it in 4WD and drive it home on the front wheels.

If you do upgrade the engine it might be worth considering uprated brakes as well - bigger drums on the front aren't difficult to retrofit. Something I found useful as an upgrade was a hand throttle. Very useful as a crude cruise control!

If it hasn't been done, it's also worth carpeting the interior with a sound deadening kit. It'll never be quiet, but it will make a huge difference.

Worth also looking for a set of free wheeling hubs. Makes a noticeable difference to the fuel economy. Speaking of which, putting the spare on the bonnet will make a difference to the fuel economy as well - they're noticeably worse with the spare wheel on the bonnet.

Should be a good wagon for all of the dive gear.

Edit:- regarding the inertia reel seat belts, take a look at what the seat belts are mounted to. I've never looked closely at the cab bulkhead on a series 3, but I had no faith that the bulkhead in a series 2 would withstand any form of strain from a seat belt, and anyway it doesn't come up to the top of your back, so the best case would be a compression injury. Easier to do with a Series 2 because of the age and when seatbelts were introduced, but I never bothered with seat belts and made sure I avoided crashing.

Edited by 6fire on Sunday 6th May 13:16

rumple

2,607 posts

21 months

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Great bit of kit OP, keep promising myself one, one of these days
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andynic

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19 months

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Love that, very tidy.

I want another one now. Not going to happen any time soon thoughcry

v8will

2,531 posts

66 months

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Love it.

There seems to be quite a bit of love on PH for Series Landies which is a good thing.

I really must get my finger out and buy one myself, a itch way above the usual M3, MX-5 etc lustings I have on a daily basis.

hidetheelephants

5,705 posts

63 months

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6fire said:
Glad you finally got one. I did wonder if you ever would. We've talked about L/R's before on a different forum (where I had a different user name). I used to own a Series 2a LWB. Brilliant things. Mine is still going strong - not with me owning it though unfortunately.

I always found the 2.25 diesel to be not very good. Enough power to pull the skin off a rice pudding. Just. And they always seemed to smoke a lot. A Tdi motor will be a good upgrade - everyone will probably tell you that the halfshafts will snap. They won't so long as you drive it with some sympathy. And even if they do, take the half shafts out, pop it in 4WD and drive it home on the front wheels.
A popular upgrade at the moment seems to be a Tdi with the turbo removed; it produces a useful amount of extra power over the 10/11J, but not so much that it pops bits of the drivetrain and detuning it means it's (theoretically) going to be unburstable.

bakerstreet

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Monday 7th May 2012 quote quote all
6fire said:
Glad you finally got one. I did wonder if you ever would. We've talked about L/R's before on a different forum (where I had a different user name). I used to own a Series 2a LWB. Brilliant things. Mine is still going strong - not with me owning it though unfortunately.

I always found the 2.25 diesel to be not very good. Enough power to pull the skin off a rice pudding. Just. And they always seemed to smoke a lot. A Tdi motor will be a good upgrade - everyone will probably tell you that the halfshafts will snap. They won't so long as you drive it with some sympathy. And even if they do, take the half shafts out, pop it in 4WD and drive it home on the front wheels.

If you do upgrade the engine it might be worth considering uprated brakes as well - bigger drums on the front aren't difficult to retrofit. Something I found useful as an upgrade was a hand throttle. Very useful as a crude cruise control!

If it hasn't been done, it's also worth carpeting the interior with a sound deadening kit. It'll never be quiet, but it will make a huge difference.

Worth also looking for a set of free wheeling hubs. Makes a noticeable difference to the fuel economy. Speaking of which, putting the spare on the bonnet will make a difference to the fuel economy as well - they're noticeably worse with the spare wheel on the bonnet.

Should be a good wagon for all of the dive gear.

Edit:- regarding the inertia reel seat belts, take a look at what the seat belts are mounted to. I've never looked closely at the cab bulkhead on a series 3, but I had no faith that the bulkhead in a series 2 would withstand any form of strain from a seat belt, and anyway it doesn't come up to the top of your back, so the best case would be a compression injury. Easier to do with a Series 2 because of the age and when seatbelts were introduced, but I never bothered with seat belts and made sure I avoided crashing.

Edited by 6fire on Sunday 6th May 13:16
Did you used to have a Impreza Station wagon? If yes, great to hear from you smile

I'll be rebuilding the brakes in the summer as I'm not happy with them now. It will be new pistons, shoes and springs. If I have the desire to go for bigger brakes, I think I can just fit the br`ke assembly from the 109. If memory serves they have bigger brakes than the 88s.

I'll certainly be getting a carpet kit for the front and lining the back with heavy duty waterproof sound proofing material. I still want the back to be wipe clean.

When I've sorted the doors, I'll also be getting some sound proofing in there and I'll then put a piece of ply over the door and wrap in black vinyl. Should like nice after that.

If I do the engine upgrade, it would be the 200tdi with out the turbo. I've done a bit of reading and it makes it much easier if you don't use the turbo. You can use the standard radiator and you don't have to worry about intercoolers smile

mat777

3,198 posts

30 months

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Friday 25th May 2012 quote quote all
Nice Landy! A bottle of T-cut would soon have that paint looking a treat, and the standard steel wheels you mention would really set it off nicely.
You mention Delux bonnets - you already have one, as evidence by the rolled lipped edges on it. A "standard" bonnet is a plain sheet of metal like this one:




The TDi engine conversion is a divisive issue - I am of the school that it ruins the character of the vehicle but obviously it is your choice. As you say, one thing to consider would be to remove the turbo as many people do, to massively reduce the risk of breaking the gearbox or halfshafts, unless you drive with a featherlight right foot. When it comes to soundproofing the interior, I can very highly recommend these:
http://www.famousfour.co.uk/new_parts/part_page.ph...
Yes I know its a lot, but it is tough, wipeclean and makes a hell of a difference to the noise levels. A good trick for the doors is to make up some copies of the door lining cards from a station wagon model, with the usual vinyl covering. But then, when fitting them, fill the big cavity between door skin and card with expanding foam. When lining the roof, don't use plain carpet - hardtop roofs condense inside very easily so carpet will go damp. High density foam (like the stuff on the underside of noiseproof mats) normally works a treat. Lining the roof and sides will make it much warmer in the winter as well as the reduction in noise.
I would definitely recommend leaving the spare on the back door, bonnet mounted ones look cool but as mentioned they are a monumental pain.
seat-wise, get some high-back station wagons one if you dont already have them. they are a huge improvement in comfort over the standard slab seats, your back and bottom will thank you!
Finally, on the subject of door catches... unusually for an '83 model, in the photo it look like you have the older style catches that work like a house door with a striker wedge? if so, upgrade so some anti-burst catches - they dont pop open over rough ground unlike the sriker ones....


Overall, I hope you enjoy the experience of owning an old Landy! Are you planning on doing any greenlaning or off roading outside of PH?

Edited by mat777 on Friday 25th May 17:55


Edited by mat777 on Friday 25th May 18:01

JimexPL

1,342 posts

82 months

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If it's a genuine 1983 build then there's a chance that it already has the larger LWB brakes, so check before you buy anything. A plastic Land Rover badge and 90/110 light set up on the back are good indications of a late model.

I've got an '83 station wagon with the spare in the bonnet, but tend to leave it off most of the time because of the weight and visibility.


mat777

3,198 posts

30 months

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JimexPL said:
If it's a genuine 1983 build then there's a chance that it already has the larger LWB brakes, so check before you buy anything. A plastic Land Rover badge and 90/110 light set up on the back are good indications of a late model.
Ah yes, forgot to mention that but like Jimex says, best to check. The easy way to tell is to have a front drum off - if it is 11" across and has twin leading shoes then its the later servoed LWB setup, if its 10" SLS then you need SWB parts
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