LOH's mini (2013 JCW-GP) adventure
Discussion
yeah a bit cheeky of them not to put "1 of 200 UK" on there 
I Had a JCW Mini - sort of nearly quick-ish, great handling on smooth roads, everywhere else it was a big bag of s
te. Being a BMW, it broke, shaked, rattled, and rolled - lots.had ham said:
Oops, just read my reply above again and it sounds like I'm a bloody troll.
Not the case, really hope you enjoy your new car! Had a bad experience with mine, has soiled my mind I guess!
You're allowed to have an opinion and for what its worth, reviews have said similar things.Not the case, really hope you enjoy your new car! Had a bad experience with mine, has soiled my mind I guess!
Anyway I still think it looks superb!
philmots said:
Think it looks great..
Re the brakes.. All 197/200 Clios have similar sized Brembos!
No they don't mate, they're 6 pot callipers on this. Not to say they're poor brakes on the renaultsports but these have another 2 pistons on top of the brembo/Porsche unitsRe the brakes.. All 197/200 Clios have similar sized Brembos!
GavBMW said:
Nice motor fella,
I was having a bit peek when it arrived the other day (hope you don't mind).
When are you picking it up?.. I know someone with a 'GP' number plate for sale if your interested??
Ah I was waiting for a comment ginge! I was having a bit peek when it arrived the other day (hope you don't mind).
When are you picking it up?.. I know someone with a 'GP' number plate for sale if your interested??
Let me know about the gp plate, I was bidding on 321 GP on eBay but didn't get it, think my LOH one will have to do Picking up after new years eve, then straight into the 2013 trackday season
LaurasOtherHalf said:
philmots said:
Think it looks great..
Re the brakes.. All 197/200 Clios have similar sized Brembos!
No they don't mate, they're 6 pot callipers on this. Not to say they're poor brakes on the renaultsports but these have another 2 pistons on top of the brembo/Porsche unitsRe the brakes.. All 197/200 Clios have similar sized Brembos!
GokTweed said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
philmots said:
Think it looks great..
Re the brakes.. All 197/200 Clios have similar sized Brembos!
No they don't mate, they're 6 pot callipers on this. Not to say they're poor brakes on the renaultsports but these have another 2 pistons on top of the brembo/Porsche unitsRe the brakes.. All 197/200 Clios have similar sized Brembos!
Obviously an increase of 400cc would be out of the question to increase performance on this model so I guess an extra 2 pistons per front calliper is a halfway decent method of lowering lap times, though for whatever reason it does look bloody cool!
GokTweed said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
My apologies on the above, I'm comparing the mini GP with the megane R26.R, not the Clio 200
So the clio 200 is lighter than the mini? the brakes do look good, if a little excessive, but they will be worthless if there's crappy rubber on the wheels Weight wise it's all a bit grey-mini released the weight figures of the GP as exactly the same as the standard JCW mini, there's probably a reason for this but what it is I don't know. Perhaps it's a legislation thing where a new kurb weight means new testing or reapplying crash tests etc may be needed, who knows?
However, all three cars are in the same ball park. The Clio 200 is a shade over 1200kg, the R26.R is 1230kg (without cage but with titanium exhaust) & the mini is 1220kg
Confusing things further, is in all mini's advertising blurb for the GP they mention an "DIN unladen curb weight" of 1160kg.
What's DIN unladen? It's the eu specific measurement of weight for a new car, comprising of the car obviously, all fluids & a 90% full fuel tank, all options ticked. No driver or cargo though, and although mini appear to be being pretty transparent by giving that weight for the car it's pretty hard to compare against others as I'm not 100% sure what "curb weight" they're giving. I guess I'll finally know about my car once I get it corner weighted.
So, all in all it's pretty safe to say its pretty light for a car that still has comfy recaro heated seats & a leather trimmed dash, or hediously overweight compared to the original depending on your point of view
Without looking into it further I can't tell you where all the weight saving has come from, rear seats can't weigh that much! Though by getting rid of them I suppose the rear curtain airbags will have gone, as will the strengthening for the rear seat belt points perhaps, but yet they have added weight back on, the rear brace I'm told us now structural so it will need extra metalwork, there's the front brace, all the new aero (flat underfloor & wing) & as I said, it still has a fairly substantial pair of front seats.
Where all this becomes interesting (hopefully anyway!) is in the driving
We've mentioned the huge brakes on the GP (incidentally I think they're pinched off the 1 series M cars, they look the same) & you mentioned the tyres. In the GP's case it comes on Khumo Ecstasa track based items, specifically designed for the GP (they'll be cheap to replace then), none run flats too in 17" diameter.
Where the mini gains performance over the Clio is also where it loses the the Megane-torque.
I think this is where the cars will differ the most as the mini has much less twist than the R26.R, will it be enough to make it feel slow against its lower weight? Obviously until we get both out on track I won't know but the first trackday at the nurburgring is booked for April so we won't have long to wait
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There are no numbers this time unfortunately, which is a bit of a shame.Plus as stated, strictly speaking it's only 1 of 200 uk, they're making 2000 of them for worldwide!
The bulk are going to the USA, they didn't get the GP first time round I think. The figures for each allocation are out there as I've seen them somewhere but can't find them now.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
No they don't mate, they're 6 pot callipers on this. Not to say they're poor brakes on the renaultsports but these have another 2 pistons on top of the brembo/Porsche units
Oh right. Apologies, I didn't realise they were 6 pots.. They're probably excessive on that car but very very cool non the less!!
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