The Bomber... Just another Impreza?

The Bomber... Just another Impreza?

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smifffymoto

4,527 posts

204 months

Wednesday 26th August 2015
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This is a car forum,why not blah,blah,blah.My question was not a critisism but pureley to try and understand the thought process and desired outcome of the project.
If the end result a is Wrc car,why not buy a Wrc car as a starting point.

chuntington101

5,733 posts

235 months

Wednesday 26th August 2015
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smifffymoto said:
This is a car forum,why not blah,blah,blah.My question was not a critisism but pureley to try and understand the thought process and desired outcome of the project.
If the end result a is Wrc car,why not buy a Wrc car as a starting point.
Because they will cost £200k today and they aren't exactly road friendly! The engine would need a total rebuild / transplant as they are not built for what the OP intends to do (Max Torque can provide details). Then there is the gearbox, a full 6 speed sequential with dog gears and pneumatic shift. Not great for driving around town or on the road at all really. Plus it will need a rebuild every few 1000 miles. oh and the software is designed for the current engine not a much slower responding road engine the OP would have to install. meaning the shift times and speeds and torque management would be totally out of sync and thus cr@p! Brakes will make the more noise than the engine at low speed.

WRC cars a built to be raced. This car will be built to look like a WRC, and probably go like one to, but be a lot more friendly to drive. smile

frayz

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2,629 posts

158 months

Wednesday 26th August 2015
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Also the value being put in the shell is investment as the shell can easily be log booked and with engine & box converted to a full WRC car. This isn't just a body kit

smifffymoto

4,527 posts

204 months

Wednesday 26th August 2015
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chuntington101 said:
smifffymoto said:
This is a car forum,why not blah,blah,blah.My question was not a critisism but pureley to try and understand the thought process and desired outcome of the project.
If the end result a is Wrc car,why not buy a Wrc car as a starting point.
Because they will cost £200k today and they aren't exactly road friendly! The engine would need a total rebuild / transplant as they are not built for what the OP intends to do (Max Torque can provide details). Then there is the gearbox, a full 6 speed sequential with dog gears and pneumatic shift. Not great for driving around town or on the road at all really. Plus it will need a rebuild every few 1000 miles. oh and the software is designed for the current engine not a much slower responding road engine the OP would have to install. meaning the shift times and speeds and torque management would be totally out of sync and thus cr@p! Brakes will make the more noise than the engine at low speed.

WRC cars a built to be raced. This car will be built to look like a WRC, and probably go like one to, but be a lot more friendly to drive. smile
I understand what a WRC car is and the impracticalities of them.If you want X and X is already made,why not buy X and modify that rather than starting at A.
This isn't a dig at Frayz in any way,just trying to follow the thought process.People are free to spend their money and time on what ever they like. I follow this thread and enjoy it just like the Espace/Lexus thread and the Astra/LS V8 threads in the past.

GreatGranny

9,097 posts

225 months

Wednesday 26th August 2015
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smifffymoto said:
I understand what a WRC car is and the impracticalities of them.If you want X and X is already made,why not buy X and modify that rather than starting at A.
I think that's already been answered hasn't it?

So you think buying a WRC car then modifying it into a usable road car is better than modifying a road car into a WRC spec usable road car?

andygtt

8,344 posts

263 months

Thursday 27th August 2015
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I thought this was going to be a track only car now? Due to the mods to the monocoque this will have to go through IVA now to be road legal.

I'm not sure why everyone is questioning the logic of the build, it's clear the owner loves the modifying process and end results... if it was ever finished in his eyes then there would be something else to do the same with.

It's a bit like the football fan...They spend lots of time discussing the upcoming match, travel miles to watch it, enjoy the game but are disappointed with the result... Doesn't stop them watching The next game etc.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Awesome build, level of detail is incredible.

With to respect to why, why not?

People spend million's on yachts and maybe spend one week a year on them, people spend millions on supercars and never drive them, people spend thousands travelling the world for what?

If everyone was the same and bought everything ready made out of the box we wouldn't have some of the insane creations we see on PH!

You only live once and there is no point being the richest man in the graveyard ...

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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This thread reminds me why I always felt sorry for the Prodrive Welders/fabricators every time their beautiful cars came back looking like this:




The amount of man-hrs in a WRC shell is mind boggling!

Megaflow

9,347 posts

224 months

Tuesday 1st September 2015
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Max_Torque said:
This thread reminds me why I always felt sorry for the Prodrive Welders/fabricators every time their beautiful cars came back looking like this:




The amount of man-hrs in a WRC shell is mind boggling!
How he ever walked away from that is staggering. I can still remember watching in from on board...

yikes

frayz

Original Poster:

2,629 posts

158 months

Sunday 20th September 2015
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Well I've been pretty busy lately as I tied the knot with my lovely lady last week.


Meanwhile the other love of my life has been resting up. She's looking brutal even with nothing attached to her.

RB Will

9,662 posts

239 months

Sunday 20th September 2015
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congrats, now no wasting time with silly honeymoons, get back to the car and thread updates smile

moggy13

25 posts

149 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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Just read from start to finish, fantastic build can see your passion clearly.

Any updates OP?

frayz

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2,629 posts

158 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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Nothing to report really.

She's as you see her above.
Cars built like this are usually in the company of some real competition cars and mine is no exception. So unfortunately when you have an international WRC car that's currently competing come in, they tend to take priority.

I have to respect that so it is what it is unfortunately. Hopefully not too long and ill have some more fabrication photos to share with you soon. Glad you like it, thanks for reading. biggrin

Huskyman

653 posts

126 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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Hi Frayz,

Congratulations on the wedding! This is a truly warts and all build, and I am truly taken aback on the amount of fabrication that has gone into this car! This is a proper, detailed engineering led build that has been done the right way, and that is from the ground up. I'm looking forward to the updates on this one.

chuntington101

5,733 posts

235 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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So when is the 'rocket box' being installed? smilesmilesmile

frayz

Original Poster:

2,629 posts

158 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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Huskyman said:
Hi Frayz,

Congratulations on the wedding! This is a truly warts and all build, and I am truly taken aback on the amount of fabrication that has gone into this car! This is a proper, detailed engineering led build that has been done the right way, and that is from the ground up. I'm looking forward to the updates on this one.
Thanks very much looking forward to adding some updates soon. Glad you like it smile

frayz

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2,629 posts

158 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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chuntington101 said:
So when is the 'rocket box' being installed? smilesmilesmile
When the 1300 crossflow goes back in wink

frayz

Original Poster:

2,629 posts

158 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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Custom made adjustable T45, S515 TCAs to suit the OEM style caster block.
These can be swapped out if ever I decide to go with a WRC type caster block.
WRC fitment ones are off the shelf available from WRC spares. smile








Edited by frayz on Saturday 3rd October 12:11

DanielSan

18,748 posts

166 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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You are genuinely off your rocker hehe but my god this car is outstandingly good. I don't think I'd even have the balls never mind skill time and cash to do all this to my STI.

chuntington101

5,733 posts

235 months

Saturday 3rd October 2015
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frayz said:
chuntington101 said:
So when is the 'rocket box' being installed? smilesmilesmile
When the 1300 crossflow goes back in wink
Well it would be faster with a 1300 cross flow than the motor that's in it now! wink