Scratch built car

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No Sound

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304 posts

130 months

Saturday 26th April 2014
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Well the plan was to build the e wheel and then finish off the door inner panel and then continue with the wire buck/roof. But once I had finished the e wheel I wanted to have a go so had a bash at the bonnet cowling.









LouD86

3,279 posts

154 months

Saturday 26th April 2014
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The English Wheel, such beauty! And your pretty handy on it too by the looks of things. Nice to see this has started again!

tbc

3,017 posts

176 months

Saturday 26th April 2014
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Front end has a bit of 612 Scaglietti look to it




Storer

5,024 posts

216 months

Saturday 26th April 2014
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That English Wheel looks a very professional build.

How did you come up with the design?


Paul

No Sound

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304 posts

130 months

Sunday 27th April 2014
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LouD86 said:
The English Wheel, such beauty! And your pretty handy on it too by the looks of things. Nice to see this has started again!
Thanks it’s good to get back on with the car. Andy

No Sound

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Sunday 27th April 2014
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[quote=tbc]Front end has a bit of 612 Scaglietti look to it



If it ends up looking anything like that I will be a happy man.

No Sound

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304 posts

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Sunday 27th April 2014
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Storer said:
That English Wheel looks a very professional build.

How did you come up with the design?


Paul
The frame stiffness, panel size to be made and space to work the panel are all important parameters. The frame stiffness index values were obtained using Richard Ferguson spreadsheet. The adjuster is based upon Kerry Pinkerton design (Imperial Wheeling Machines). I wanted a removal lower arm so I could change the angle if required or the wheel size. I have included a few more pictures.

Andy





johnfm

13,668 posts

251 months

Sunday 27th April 2014
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This thread just got even better - amazing that you not only are making the car, but making the tool to make the car! Great stuff.

Storer

5,024 posts

216 months

Sunday 27th April 2014
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Again, impressive engineering and research.

I am curious as to why modern wheeling machines are designed differently to the older machines where the top wheel is carried on a shaft that runs to the rear of the arc of the frame (e.g. F W Edwards)?

Clearly it would require substantial shaft strength and a good large bearing but does it have a design value when using the wheel?

I know our forefathers were inclined to over engineer everything, but is the design a result of not being able to arc weld?


Paul

No Sound

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304 posts

130 months

Tuesday 29th April 2014
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Storer said:
Again, impressive engineering and research.

I am curious as to why modern wheeling machines are designed differently to the older machines where the top wheel is carried on a shaft that runs to the rear of the arc of the frame (e.g. F W Edwards)?

Clearly it would require substantial shaft strength and a good large bearing but does it have a design value when using the wheel?

I know our forefathers were inclined to over engineer everything, but is the design a result of not being able to arc weld?


Paul
Hi Paul, at the end of the day it’s the force you can apply the metal to be formed. Lots of fabricated (cheap) wheels have soft frames so the metal is slow to form (think of the frame as a big spring). You also have to consider whether to use contact flats or true radius anvils and what width and diameter you will use. By building your own machine you can dictate your own specification. My wheel has a 850mm throat which mean I can form a panel of 1600mm and that big if it’s just you.
Andy


Edited by No Sound on Tuesday 29th April 21:58

Storer

5,024 posts

216 months

Tuesday 29th April 2014
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Hi Andy

I like the idea of using a wheeling machine from the same era as the chassis or engine and they seem to make good investments too (being an old git I need to think about these things).

If I do end up making one it is bound to be over engineered and bloo*y heavy. An example is my welding table. 2m x 1m and over 0.5 tonnes in weight!!!!

Probably not look as good as yours though.


Paul

No Sound

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304 posts

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Tuesday 29th April 2014
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Storer said:
Hi Andy

I like the idea of using a wheeling machine from the same era as the chassis or engine and they seem to make good investments too (being an old git I need to think about these things).

If I do end up making one it is bound to be over engineered and bloo*y heavy. An example is my welding table. 2m x 1m and over 0.5 tonnes in weight!!!!

Probably not look as good as yours though.


Paul
Ok from the same era, so I now expect Thor to be built from 1050H14 ally using gas to weld the panel sections. Don’t even think of using Tig or Mig.

Andy

Storer

5,024 posts

216 months

Tuesday 29th April 2014
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No Sound said:
Storer said:
Hi Andy

I like the idea of using a wheeling machine from the same era as the chassis or engine and they seem to make good investments too (being an old git I need to think about these things).

If I do end up making one it is bound to be over engineered and bloo*y heavy. An example is my welding table. 2m x 1m and over 0.5 tonnes in weight!!!!

Probably not look as good as yours though.


Paul
Ok from the same era, so I now expect Thor to be built from 1050H14 ally using gas to weld the panel sections. Don’t even think of using Tig or Mig.

Andy
Now you're getting silly!!!!


Paul

PhillipM

6,524 posts

190 months

Tuesday 29th April 2014
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Yeah... he should be brazing it with bronze.

RoverP6B

4,338 posts

129 months

Wednesday 30th April 2014
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Thor will be WELDED?! It should be RIVETED, using hand-made rivets hammered in using a lump hammer!

No Sound

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304 posts

130 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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Well its back to the plan. Since I needed to make a few end panels the same shape for the door frames I decided to make a jig out 8mm flat bar. I used 1.2 mm steel for the entire inner frame work/panels. The only job left is to weld the frame to the cross members.









Lefty

16,162 posts

203 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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Inspirational work, seriously. Looking forward to seeing the finished product! Do you have an ETA?

No Sound

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304 posts

130 months

Monday 26th May 2014
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Lefty said:
Inspirational work, seriously. Looking forward to seeing the finished product! Do you have an ETA?
Cheers Lefty, no ETA date. Andy

Kev T360

366 posts

152 months

Monday 26th May 2014
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We need more! This is brilliant!

No Sound

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304 posts

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Friday 30th May 2014
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Kev T360 said:
We need more! This is brilliant!
Cheers, working on it. Andy