Building "Thor"

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Baron Greenback

6,961 posts

149 months

Saturday 12th July 2014
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How about a 1936 Cadillac V-16 Seven-Passenger Limousine bullet proof barn find as a donor car for you? sold for sure but what a car!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi5TbyCJpZo

Storer

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5,024 posts

214 months

Saturday 12th July 2014
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That is one car that should be restored.

I wonder what it weighed? That 1" thick glass is not light and I suspect there is no Kevlar so the under metal bullet proofing is just thick steel!!

However!

A Rolls Royce Special has to have a Rolls Royce chassis. It would not be the same with something else.

Decisions have been made and the chassis rebuild will commence in the autumn once UK registration is complete.
Been looking into throttle bodies. 12 would be nice.

Planning is nearly as much fun as building.


Paul

Storer

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214 months

Saturday 12th July 2014
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This would be a nice loooooong chassis.

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C519067#


One hell of a road trip to collect it too!


Paul


Storer

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214 months

Saturday 19th July 2014
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Been away for a few days R & R and when I got home there was a nice present from the DVLA for me.

My Rolls Royce Phantom III is now UK registered for the road and I have the tax disc (free) to prove it!

To make things even better they have allocated the original registration number too.

It took less than two weeks to turn it round (I have friends that have had issues and the whole process has taken months!!) so I am rather chuffed.

I did take care to provide as much supporting information as possible which obviously did the trick.

Also awaiting my return was a very large pile of manuals from the Phantom III Technical Society along with the Depot Sheets and a set of hydraulic jack seals from the USA.

I am going to be concentrating on other things for a while so there will be little to report for a while.



Paul

ARAF

20,759 posts

222 months

Saturday 19th July 2014
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You keep saying that, but as long as you keep feeding us snippets, we'll continue reading. readit

ivanhoew

974 posts

240 months

Sunday 20th July 2014
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Storer said:
Been away for a few days R & R and when I got home there was a nice present from the DVLA for me.

My Rolls Royce Phantom III is now UK registered for the road and I have the tax disc (free) to prove it!

To make things even better they have allocated the original registration number too.

It took less than two weeks to turn it round (I have friends that have had issues and the whole process has taken months!!) so I am rather chuffed.

I did take care to provide as much supporting information as possible which obviously did the trick.

Also awaiting my return was a very large pile of manuals from the Phantom III Technical Society along with the Depot Sheets and a set of hydraulic jack seals from the USA.



Paul
excellent news Paul always very encouraging to get over that hurdle.

robert

Megaflow

9,347 posts

224 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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Storer said:
Been away for a few days R & R and when I got home there was a nice present from the DVLA for me.

My Rolls Royce Phantom III is now UK registered for the road and I have the tax disc (free) to prove it!

To make things even better they have allocated the original registration number too.

It took less than two weeks to turn it round (I have friends that have had issues and the whole process has taken months!!) so I am rather chuffed.

I did take care to provide as much supporting information as possible which obviously did the trick.

Also awaiting my return was a very large pile of manuals from the Phantom III Technical Society along with the Depot Sheets and a set of hydraulic jack seals from the USA.

I am going to be concentrating on other things for a while so there will be little to report for a while.



Paul
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furtive

4,498 posts

278 months

Tuesday 29th July 2014
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Have just found this thread. I saw this at the Le Mans Classic, which is similar:

IMG_6070 by furtive, on Flickr

IMG_6068 by furtive, on Flickr

IMG_6145 by furtive, on Flickr

IMG_6067 by furtive, on Flickr


ARAF

20,759 posts

222 months

Tuesday 29th July 2014
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That is good. cool

Really love the engine plate as well. smile

Fastdruid

8,623 posts

151 months

Tuesday 29th July 2014
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Very nice.

For anyone else curious (and because I had to google it myself) the "MS" and "FS" on the plate would appear to stand for "Medium (or Moderate) Supercharger" and "Full Supercharger".

PanzerCommander

5,026 posts

217 months

Tuesday 29th July 2014
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Fastdruid said:
Very nice.

For anyone else curious (and because I had to google it myself) the "MS" and "FS" on the plate would appear to stand for "Medium (or Moderate) Supercharger" and "Full Supercharger".
Correct,

The Merlin had a two stage supercharger to provide extra boost to allow higher altitude flying hence only 'MS' is rated for take-off and climb out smile

Edited by PanzerCommander on Tuesday 29th July 13:42

HughG

3,539 posts

240 months

Tuesday 29th July 2014
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PanzerCommander said:
Correct,

The Merlin had a two stage supercharger to provide extra boost to allow higher altitude flying hence only 'MS' is rated for take-off and climb out smile

Edited by PanzerCommander on Tuesday 29th July 13:42
Excuse my ignorant position on this, but was that "War Emergency Power" that you used to get on Combat flight sim?

Storer

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5,024 posts

214 months

Tuesday 29th July 2014
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furtive said:
Have just found this thread. I saw this at the Le Mans Classic, which is similar:

IMG_6070 by furtive, on Flickr

IMG_6068 by furtive, on Flickr

IMG_6145 by furtive, on Flickr

IMG_6067 by furtive, on Flickr
That looks fabulous! A work of art.
I only hope I can create something as good.

However,
I don't think that is a Merlin with a supercharger. I suspect it is a Meteor.

Reasoning.
There are carbs on top of the engine.
The engine sits very low in the chassis which would leave the supercharger very close to the ground. It adds about 50% to the height of the engine.
The air inlet tube looks like flexible hose which would not stand the increased pressure of a supercharger.

I would like to think it is a supercharged Merlin just for the hell of it but I suspect not.


Still a great piece of design/engineering though.


Paul


Fastdruid

8,623 posts

151 months

Tuesday 29th July 2014
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It is a Meteor


eliot

11,364 posts

253 months

Tuesday 29th July 2014
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chuntington101 said:
No he is using a jag box! He is using a x3 stepper box from a truck to increase the output shaft speed by 3 and thus devide the torque by 3. The problem he then had was finding a torque convertor with a high enough stall as the engine sat at say 1000rpm idel would have a output shaft speed of 3000rpm.
I believe he'a running a GM TH400, which were fitted behind many big engined cars such as jag, aston martin and rolls royce.

Storer

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5,024 posts

214 months

Tuesday 29th July 2014
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A Meteor can tick over at 300 to 400 rpm so not a problem.


Paul

PanzerCommander

5,026 posts

217 months

Wednesday 30th July 2014
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HughG said:
Excuse my ignorant position on this, but was that "War Emergency Power" that you used to get on Combat flight sim?
Yes War Emergency Power (WEP) for British engines during the war (more so when we got hold of 100 octane fuel for our A/C) you could push the engine into ‘FS’ at lower altitudes for a limited period of time to give you a boost. Later in the war water injection was used as a charge cooler on the Spitfire for example so that would kick in at lower altitudes if the pilot demanded WEP. I am sure that the Americans had a similar system.

The Lancaster had no such system and you were only allowed to switch into ‘FS’ when the boost pressure dropped below a certain level in flight (according to the pilots notes I have anyway).

The Germans where WEP is not just the supercharger staging they also injected something as an anti-detonant. One of the things they used MW50, Methanol-Wasser 50 a 50/50 mix of methanol and water though there was a small portion of corrosion inhibitor in there as well, (there were variations of the mix for different missions) which was sprayed into the supercharger allowing the full supercharger to be used at low level. The water cools the charge and the methanol acts to prevent detonation.

Once you were at higher altitudes MW50 was not much use as you got the extra charge cooling from the colder less dense air (hence only using MS at lower altitudes on the merlin) and the supercharger would already be in the German equivalent of ‘FS’ The extra blower stage and the MW50 could provide up to 500hp on the German engines at low level.

The Germans also had nitrous oxide injection (GM-1 system) to boost high altitude performance on some of their aircraft.

Edit: Spelling

Edited by PanzerCommander on Wednesday 30th July 11:14

richw_82

992 posts

185 months

Wednesday 30th July 2014
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Storer said:
That looks fabulous! A work of art.
I only hope I can create something as good.

However,
I don't think that is a Merlin with a supercharger. I suspect it is a Meteor.

Reasoning.
There are carbs on top of the engine.
The engine sits very low in the chassis which would leave the supercharger very close to the ground. It adds about 50% to the height of the engine.
The air inlet tube looks like flexible hose which would not stand the increased pressure of a supercharger.

I would like to think it is a supercharged Merlin just for the hell of it but I suspect not.


Still a great piece of design/engineering though.


Paul
I had a nice chat with the owner of the Handlye Special at the 2012 Le Mans Classic... having found where the car was parked by heading for that unmistakable sound!

The engine is an early Meteor I so a rebuilt Merlin in effect, rather than one built specifically as a tank engine from the outset. The engine's history is interesting being fitted in a Hurricane and the gent who owns the car has researched its history through the Rolls Royce Heritage Trust. The carb is a triple choke item off a Griffon 60 reworked to function as a downdraught.

A lovely piece of machinery but (so far) the Bentley "Thunderbolt" is my favourite Meteor engined car -

http://api.ning.com/files/sGX0NFXdq0jZC1SxziLghIO9...

Regards,

Rich

Hoonigan

2,138 posts

234 months

Wednesday 30th July 2014
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richw_82 said:
A lovely piece of machinery but (so far) the Bentley "Thunderbolt" is my favourite Meteor engined car -

http://api.ning.com/files/sGX0NFXdq0jZC1SxziLghIO9...

Regards,

Rich
Now that is a thing of beauty...

AstonZagato

12,652 posts

209 months

Wednesday 30th July 2014
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Hoonigan said:
richw_82 said:
A lovely piece of machinery but (so far) the Bentley "Thunderbolt" is my favourite Meteor engined car -

http://api.ning.com/files/sGX0NFXdq0jZC1SxziLghIO9...

Regards,

Rich
Now that is a thing of beauty...
The sound it makes must be epic.