Discussion
DaveJH said:
I definitely don't want to turn this into a debate or argument, so perhaps I should have been a bit more specific in my previous post. Basically, a new car's warranty is against failure due to latent or manufacturing defects. Obviously no OEM is going to cover non standard aftermarket parts, however if a 'failure' has nothing to do with post manufacture modifications, then the obligation of the manufacturer still stands. From a point of honoring their warranty obligations, Toyota is one of the most honorable manufacturers there are, and, having worked for Toyota previously for over 24 years, and part of that being very close to the whole warranty process, I know exactly where I stand. 
So if the engine went south wouldn't they just claim it was as a result of the forced induction and the warranty would be invalid. Im not trying to cause an argument but its genuinely something I am interested in. I realize that changing things like the suspension wouldn't affect the engine warranty but how do you tell what causes an engine failure. Take a real example, Honda specifically told me that if I fitted an exhaust to my car, then it would likely invalidate the warranty in relation to the engine. At best it is going to leave you trying to prove what caused a failure?
They did say I could fit a Mugen exhaust however at £2440 they arent exactly cheap! Could probably fit a non OEM exhaust and buy a recon engine for less!
richtea78 said:
So if the engine went south wouldn't they just claim it was as a result of the forced induction and the warranty would be invalid. Im not trying to cause an argument but its genuinely something I am interested in. I realize that changing things like the suspension wouldn't affect the engine warranty but how do you tell what causes an engine failure.
Take a real example, Honda specifically told me that if I fitted an exhaust to my car, then it would likely invalidate the warranty in relation to the engine. At best it is going to leave you trying to prove what caused a failure?
They did say I could fit a Mugen exhaust however at £2440 they arent exactly cheap! Could probably fit a non OEM exhaust and buy a recon engine for less!
http://www.gt86ownersclub.co.uk/forum/lets-talk-warranties-once-youve-modified_topic4644_page1.htmlTake a real example, Honda specifically told me that if I fitted an exhaust to my car, then it would likely invalidate the warranty in relation to the engine. At best it is going to leave you trying to prove what caused a failure?
They did say I could fit a Mugen exhaust however at £2440 they arent exactly cheap! Could probably fit a non OEM exhaust and buy a recon engine for less!
minerva said:
The internet is a cruel place... Stop trying to be clever and point out potential pitfalls and instead appreciate that this is a brilliant car made even better! Jealous?! of course we are.
r1chardh said:
Brilliant work! I love everything about this build - not just the power, looks, grip etc, but little details like the camera. Jealous? Yes indeed!
Thank you for the great comments! 
I really appreciate them.Just got back from DaveJH's. Nice bloke btw. 
Dave had kindly offered me a ride in his GT86, avec le turbocompresseur. Until today I'd assumed supercharging is the way forward - no real justification other than the perceived refined sophistication of the S/C thanks to XKR and similar and the chavvy boy racer image of the turbocharged scoobs and mitsis. I know these are just stereotypes but popular opinions, especially by non-petrolheads. I don't think I've been in any FI car before. I had however, heard that turbos suffer from lag and that is why SC are preferred in many applications.
Had a quick look round when I got there - a lovely install which could easily be factory finish - or probably better. Nothing looks out of place and all very neat with great attention to detail. Little touches like bracing for the brake fluid master cylinder are all there. Externally it looks low, really low. I was a bit concerned that with big rims, skinny rubber and quite a bit lower than standard it may be a harsh ride. It isn't.
Before starting Dave warned it's a bit loud, I reassured him that I'd had a TVR Griffith so was used to it. It is loud, but not unbearable nor even anti-social. It's also a work in progress so will be better when complete. Driving around suburbia it was pleasant enough and not a harsh ride like I'd feared - in fact it felt pretty benign. From the passenger seat, were it not for the exhaust it's not a great deal different to mine. Low though - struggles over modest speed bumps - may be better when when exhaust is finished.
Dave said he'd take us up to the motorway to a service station for a coffee and a run back.
A quick step back in time a few hours... It was chilly this morning, c. 3ºC. On my way to the M5 I pulled out to overtake a car and was surprised when the TC cut in to catch a slide I'd provoked by being a little too aggressive with the throttle on a damp and cold road. No real drama, driver error, lesson learnt. It made me a little concerned about a +300BHP 'test drive' but at least I'd found out the potential for danger early in the day and reigned it in a little.
Anyway, back to Dave and the motorway. As we entered the on-slip he gave it some beans and the fecker just squatted down and went. No traction control lights, no slide, no drama. Mine would have squirmed and probably slewed sideways if I'd tried the same thing with a meagre 175BHP or whatever it has as standard. Clearly this has been set up properly by someone who knows what they're doing.
If this is lag, WTF is instant like? It's responsive, immediate and quick. I have nothing with which to compare it but to me it felt pretty much instantaneous with no perceivable lag. In-gear acceleration is fantastic - it feels very torquey even at low revs pulling in fourth or fifth. When it gets to +5,500RPM it sings. A bit Joe Cocker rather than Katherine Jenkins, but sing it does. It even clears its throat nicely - the dump valve is subtle. Nearly forgot - pops and bangs. We like. Dave assures me flames too.
We stopped for a coffee and Dave asked if I'd like to drive back. Would I?
First thing to note is the clutch - much heavier than standard and bite point very close to the top of travel. Steering feels heavier but only down to the wider, grippier tyres. Boost is set with the cruise control switch and displayed in the offside/driver's air vent - neat. I lost my way exiting the service station - I suspect Dave wondered what he'd done - giving the keys to a knobber.
Being wary of my car's wiggly rear I didn't accelerate hard until it was straight on the motorway proper but by jiminy - it goes a bit. Licence losing territory in short order. Having no idea about turbo lag I was trying to find it. I'd assumed Dave knew how to drive a turbo properly which was why I had not noticed it earlier. I was sure I would experience it. I didn't. No skill or experience - I was quite 'rough' with it just planting my foot with no finesse - no lag. Instant on. Instant go.
Changed to A roads for a short while but we were not lucky traffic-wise. On the few occasions to test it, it handled extremely well; grips like a very grippy thing and the push out of corners is fun and addictive.
Each one of the upgrades is well specced in itself, but the whole is far greater than the sum of parts.
All in all, it's a fantastic car.
Congratulations to Dave and Fensport - all I need now is the dosh.
>>rattles tin<<
Grateful thanks to Dave.
Many wouldn't be so generous with their time or P&J - top bloke.
Dave had kindly offered me a ride in his GT86, avec le turbocompresseur. Until today I'd assumed supercharging is the way forward - no real justification other than the perceived refined sophistication of the S/C thanks to XKR and similar and the chavvy boy racer image of the turbocharged scoobs and mitsis. I know these are just stereotypes but popular opinions, especially by non-petrolheads. I don't think I've been in any FI car before. I had however, heard that turbos suffer from lag and that is why SC are preferred in many applications.
Had a quick look round when I got there - a lovely install which could easily be factory finish - or probably better. Nothing looks out of place and all very neat with great attention to detail. Little touches like bracing for the brake fluid master cylinder are all there. Externally it looks low, really low. I was a bit concerned that with big rims, skinny rubber and quite a bit lower than standard it may be a harsh ride. It isn't.
Before starting Dave warned it's a bit loud, I reassured him that I'd had a TVR Griffith so was used to it. It is loud, but not unbearable nor even anti-social. It's also a work in progress so will be better when complete. Driving around suburbia it was pleasant enough and not a harsh ride like I'd feared - in fact it felt pretty benign. From the passenger seat, were it not for the exhaust it's not a great deal different to mine. Low though - struggles over modest speed bumps - may be better when when exhaust is finished.
Dave said he'd take us up to the motorway to a service station for a coffee and a run back.
A quick step back in time a few hours... It was chilly this morning, c. 3ºC. On my way to the M5 I pulled out to overtake a car and was surprised when the TC cut in to catch a slide I'd provoked by being a little too aggressive with the throttle on a damp and cold road. No real drama, driver error, lesson learnt. It made me a little concerned about a +300BHP 'test drive' but at least I'd found out the potential for danger early in the day and reigned it in a little.
Anyway, back to Dave and the motorway. As we entered the on-slip he gave it some beans and the fecker just squatted down and went. No traction control lights, no slide, no drama. Mine would have squirmed and probably slewed sideways if I'd tried the same thing with a meagre 175BHP or whatever it has as standard. Clearly this has been set up properly by someone who knows what they're doing.
If this is lag, WTF is instant like? It's responsive, immediate and quick. I have nothing with which to compare it but to me it felt pretty much instantaneous with no perceivable lag. In-gear acceleration is fantastic - it feels very torquey even at low revs pulling in fourth or fifth. When it gets to +5,500RPM it sings. A bit Joe Cocker rather than Katherine Jenkins, but sing it does. It even clears its throat nicely - the dump valve is subtle. Nearly forgot - pops and bangs. We like. Dave assures me flames too.
We stopped for a coffee and Dave asked if I'd like to drive back. Would I?
First thing to note is the clutch - much heavier than standard and bite point very close to the top of travel. Steering feels heavier but only down to the wider, grippier tyres. Boost is set with the cruise control switch and displayed in the offside/driver's air vent - neat. I lost my way exiting the service station - I suspect Dave wondered what he'd done - giving the keys to a knobber.
Being wary of my car's wiggly rear I didn't accelerate hard until it was straight on the motorway proper but by jiminy - it goes a bit. Licence losing territory in short order. Having no idea about turbo lag I was trying to find it. I'd assumed Dave knew how to drive a turbo properly which was why I had not noticed it earlier. I was sure I would experience it. I didn't. No skill or experience - I was quite 'rough' with it just planting my foot with no finesse - no lag. Instant on. Instant go.
Changed to A roads for a short while but we were not lucky traffic-wise. On the few occasions to test it, it handled extremely well; grips like a very grippy thing and the push out of corners is fun and addictive.
Each one of the upgrades is well specced in itself, but the whole is far greater than the sum of parts.
All in all, it's a fantastic car.
Congratulations to Dave and Fensport - all I need now is the dosh.
>>rattles tin<<
Grateful thanks to Dave.
Many wouldn't be so generous with their time or P&J - top bloke.
Wow m'Lord - what can I say? 
What a fantastic write up - thank you!!! It was a real pleasure to meet you this morning, and to have a chance to share my pride & joy with a fellow GT86 owner and petrolhead. my mission in life with my car is to share the pleasure of a properly sorted GT86 with as many fellow petrolheads as possible, so I am really glad you were able and prepared to make the 70 odd mile trip (each way) to experience it!
What a fantastic write up - thank you!!! It was a real pleasure to meet you this morning, and to have a chance to share my pride & joy with a fellow GT86 owner and petrolhead. my mission in life with my car is to share the pleasure of a properly sorted GT86 with as many fellow petrolheads as possible, so I am really glad you were able and prepared to make the 70 odd mile trip (each way) to experience it!
LordGrover said:
We stopped for a coffee and Dave asked if I'd like to drive back. Would I?
Being wary of my car's wiggly rear I didn't accelerate hard until it was straight on the motorway proper but by jiminy - it goes a bit. Licence losing territory in short order. Having no idea about turbo lag I was trying to find it. I'd assumed Dave knew how to drive a turbo properly which was why I had not noticed it earlier. I was sure I would experience it. I didn't. No skill or experience - I was quite 'rough' with it just planting my foot with no finesse - no lag. Instant on. Instant go.
Changed to A roads for a short while but we were not lucky traffic-wise. On the few occasions to test it, it handled extremely well; grips like a very grippy thing and the push out of corners is fun and addictive.
Each one of the upgrades is well specced in itself, but the whole is far greater than the sum of parts.
All in all, it's a fantastic car.
Congratulations to Dave and Fensport - all I need now is the dosh.
>>rattles tin<<
Grateful thanks to Dave.
Many wouldn't be so generous with their time or P&J - top bloke.
Good write-up LG - turbo lag is often so much worse on Internet forums than in real life!Being wary of my car's wiggly rear I didn't accelerate hard until it was straight on the motorway proper but by jiminy - it goes a bit. Licence losing territory in short order. Having no idea about turbo lag I was trying to find it. I'd assumed Dave knew how to drive a turbo properly which was why I had not noticed it earlier. I was sure I would experience it. I didn't. No skill or experience - I was quite 'rough' with it just planting my foot with no finesse - no lag. Instant on. Instant go.
Changed to A roads for a short while but we were not lucky traffic-wise. On the few occasions to test it, it handled extremely well; grips like a very grippy thing and the push out of corners is fun and addictive.
Each one of the upgrades is well specced in itself, but the whole is far greater than the sum of parts.
All in all, it's a fantastic car.
Congratulations to Dave and Fensport - all I need now is the dosh.
>>rattles tin<<
Grateful thanks to Dave.
Many wouldn't be so generous with their time or P&J - top bloke.
Do you know whether, and there is no reason why you should but I thought that I would ask anyway, one can fit 17 inch wheels to the front and 18 to the rear? Would that mean that there is a bigger, wider, lower profile wheel/tyre and the rear to allow for application of the increased power and a smaller one at the front to retain 'steering feel'?
One of my favourite cars on PH.
Looks great, sounds great, obviously now goes very well. The black interior bits look much better, too. Overall, a very, very nice thing.
Still a rare sight on the roads, at least around here, but definitely turn my head when I do spot one. Saw an orange example a couple of days ago and it looked superb - much better in the flesh than in photos, and there's nowt wrong with them even in pictures.
Looks great, sounds great, obviously now goes very well. The black interior bits look much better, too. Overall, a very, very nice thing.
Still a rare sight on the roads, at least around here, but definitely turn my head when I do spot one. Saw an orange example a couple of days ago and it looked superb - much better in the flesh than in photos, and there's nowt wrong with them even in pictures.
Thank you for the kind words, everyone.
There will still be more to come On the cards, auto folding mirrors, oil cooler (both going on this week coming), and then in the new year, big brake kit, some carbon fiber bling (but definitely not detracting from the current sleeper look), and possibly a set of forged pistons and rods with a slightly lower compression ratio to allow a bit more boost 
There will still be more to come
On the cards, auto folding mirrors, oil cooler (both going on this week coming), and then in the new year, big brake kit, some carbon fiber bling (but definitely not detracting from the current sleeper look), and possibly a set of forged pistons and rods with a slightly lower compression ratio to allow a bit more boost I have fited my oil cooler, which I did not want to fit in front of the intercooler / radiator / air con condenser stack, but rather on the RHS behind the fog light position.
Certain high end German Manufactured car drivers have ensured that I have a permanent hatred and aversion to front fog lights, so removing it and replacing the fog light moulding was no loss:
Developing the mounting brackets:
Brackets all finished and anodised / painted
To help get the hot air out, I have fitted a louver panel into the fender liner.
Certain high end German Manufactured car drivers have ensured that I have a permanent hatred and aversion to front fog lights, so removing it and replacing the fog light moulding was no loss:
Developing the mounting brackets:
Brackets all finished and anodised / painted
To help get the hot air out, I have fitted a louver panel into the fender liner.
Edited by DaveJH on Tuesday 24th December 18:00
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