My XR4i. 30yrs old today via Southways Automotive.

My XR4i. 30yrs old today via Southways Automotive.

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T66ORA

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258 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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f1nn said:
Lovely old thing.

As for the the hot start problem, years ago I had similar with an XR3i, where it just wouldn't start/turn over until it had cooled down,

A recon starter motor sorted it and I recall it being quite a common problem, so I'd start there.
The starter is new, well its now done 400 miles, but I think the listing might have been wrong, it said it would be ok for the 2.8V6,but I think its a 2.3V6 starter. Still strange that it will start first time with the help of a portable jump pack confused
Might look for a cheap used starter to see if that cures the problem.

T66ORA

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258 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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selym said:
s m said:
You tend to think of them as a big car if you remember them new but the surprising thing is they are lighter than a GT86
That is quite frankly amazing!
And with a Turbo Technics conversion, 200BHP so faster,(in a straight line of course)

HarryW

15,151 posts

270 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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T66ORA said:
f1nn said:
Lovely old thing.

As for the the hot start problem, years ago I had similar with an XR3i, where it just wouldn't start/turn over until it had cooled down,

A recon starter motor sorted it and I recall it being quite a common problem, so I'd start there.
The starter is new, well its now done 400 miles, but I think the listing might have been wrong, it said it would be ok for the 2.8V6,but I think its a 2.3V6 starter. Still strange that it will start first time with the help of a portable jump pack confused
Might look for a cheap used starter to see if that cures the problem.
Trying to understand why, assuming your battery is good, the jump pack can start it? Tony do you put the jump pack on the battery terminals or just the pos and then the neg on the block? If not directly on the Battery terminals try it that way next time to see if it fails to start it, you might just have poor negative between starter/block and the neg terminal of the battery. If so then use a jumper lead between the neg terminal to block to give a known good path and see if that improves it......car electrics....

s m

23,236 posts

204 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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LittleEnus said:
Splendid cars. I remember these comfortably running past the redline into undocumented rpm smile

Sound great, go well and look the mutts.

Bravo!!
They do like to rev don't they smile

I remember Autocar getting some amazing mpg figures for their long termer on a motorway cruise - genuine 35 .I was getting well over 30 on fairly fast holiday trips down to Cornwall - ok for old tech.

Does sound like something is up with the starter though - either not up to spec or too much resistance when it gets hot

HarryW

15,151 posts

270 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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Does sound like something is up with the starter though - either not up to spec or too much resistance when it gets hot
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it does sound like that, but the bit about it starting with a booster pack sort of rules it out though?

GoneAnon

1,703 posts

153 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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s m said:
You tend to think of them as a big car if you remember them new but the surprising thing is they are lighter than a GT86
Both my sons have Fiestas - Mk6 ST and Mk7 Zetec S - they are both way taller than my 4i.

s m

23,236 posts

204 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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HarryW said:
s m said:
Does sound like something is up with the starter though - either not up to spec or too much resistance when it gets hot
it does sound like that, but the bit about it starting with a booster pack sort of rules it out though?
Have you tested the battery output with a multimeter when it's hot as well as cold?

T66ORA

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258 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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HarryW said:
Trying to understand why, assuming your battery is good, the jump pack can start it? Tony do you put the jump pack on the battery terminals or just the pos and then the neg on the block? If not directly on the Battery terminals try it that way next time to see if it fails to start it, you might just have poor negative between starter/block and the neg terminal of the battery. If so then use a jumper lead between the neg terminal to block to give a known good path and see if that improves it......car electrics....
wavey H,

Jump pack, pos to pos and neg to neg, turns over a treat confused

Had this with the Tam a few years back, the battery was only holding charge for a few days, changed the battery and all was well.
The 4i battery has been fine all winter thoughconfused

T66ORA

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Thursday 16th April 2015
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s m said:
Have you tested the battery output with a multimeter when it's hot as well as cold?
No mate,do you mean with out the car running?

s m

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204 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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T66ORA said:
s m said:
Have you tested the battery output with a multimeter when it's hot as well as cold?
No mate,do you mean with out the car running?
As I see it, you've either got a problem with your battery/battery voltage/battery earth when it's hot or a massive resistance in the starter circuit.
As you are starting it with a jump pack ( effectively another battery linked to your existing one ) when it's hot ( presumably the starter turns fine? ) and your own battery without a jump pack when it's cold, to me that points the finger at your battery.

I'd start taking some readings when it's all hot

HarryW

15,151 posts

270 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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s m said:
T66ORA said:
s m said:
Have you tested the battery output with a multimeter when it's hot as well as cold?
No mate,do you mean with out the car running?
As I see it, you've either got a problem with your battery/battery voltage/battery earth when it's hot or a massive resistance in the starter circuit.
As you are starting it with a jump pack ( effectively another battery linked to your existing one ) when it's hot ( presumably the starter turns fine? ) and your own battery without a jump pack when it's cold, to me that points the finger at your battery.

I'd start taking some readings when it's all hot
Agree, from what's been described it does sound more like the battery than starter motor, or the terminal post connection, are in the insides of the terminals and battery posts clean and not furred up?

T66ORA

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258 months

Saturday 2nd May 2015
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RESULT

Spent a bit of time cleaning up the car for Simply Ford tomorrow, also fitted a new grille rubber/surround. But the best bit, well for me anyway biggrin I stripped out the Headlight washer pump and unblocked it,there was some old slimy snotty stuff in the outlet.Put it all back together and!!





They work again after probably 10 yrs biggrin
I know, I know headlight washers are gimmicky and pretty useless, but if they are fitted I wanted them working.

T66ORA

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Thursday 7th May 2015
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Photos of the car at Simply Ford on Sunday.

Awful weather driving there, but cleared nicely up as the day progressed.









Trust me to get the tattiest car of the show to park next to me laugh

HarryW

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270 months

Thursday 7th May 2015
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Tony have you sorted that starting issue yet?

T66ORA

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Saturday 9th May 2015
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HarryW said:
Tony have you sorted that starting issue yet?
Hello mate.

Not 100% sure, but I found a broken earth strap from the back of the block to the bulkhead which was repaired.
The battery was fully charged up for 48 hours before last weeks show, and the car started ok when hot.

The acid test will be the next time it is used, as the car has sat for a week and not on charge.So if its ok then it would have been the earth strap, if not I will change the battery and report back.

O/T after, in effect being off the road for 18 months the Tamora is at Southways for a minor recommissioning, service and MoT. It needs to be used or sold, so it give me options.
Do you know anyone who will fit a new rear screen locally? Mine is a right mess now, it had holes in it before I slipped and stuck my hand through itbiggrin

ruggedscotty

5,627 posts

210 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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Tip the hat to you sir - lovely car and good article. Just had an enjoyable read through your write up. Enjoy that car !

T66ORA

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Sunday 24th May 2015
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ruggedscotty said:
Tip the hat to you sir - lovely car and good article. Just had an enjoyable read through your write up. Enjoy that car !
Thank you thumbup

T66ORA

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Friday 31st July 2015
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A quick update. The hot starting issue raised its head again last week.
I fitted a heavy duty 63ah 630cca battery and touch wood, all seems well again.

HarryW

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Friday 31st July 2015
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Blimey tony you are worse than me for putting things off, mentioned back in April it sounded like the battery....

T66ORA

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Friday 31st July 2015
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hehe Possibly cos its only been used half a dozen time since.

To many toys 2 V6 TTs and the Tam.