640d GC 4days in (possibly still the best car in real world)
Discussion
LurkULongTime said:
Eh? I read the first thread and was convinced the OP was on the wrong forum and would be informed as such in short shrift - Genuinely couldn't believe the love for such a car on a site like PH?
I know each to their own/horses for courses etc., but such cars pretty much epitomises everything I find depressing about new cars and the choices modern buyers make:
- Turbo
- Diesel
- Auto
- Excessive niche model (driving up prices/parts/insurance costs along the way)
- Insistence of marketing departments (and buyers reinforcing) the reference of saloons as coupes
- Overpriced
- Unnecessarily big/heavy
- Massive rims (necessary to offset/balance the massive body, see above)
- Lease purchase (necessary to facilitate the overpricing/overpriced because of availability of leasing, see above)
- Unnecessary gadgets (internet?!?)
- White
Can't really be bothered to look into it, but it's probably got a fake diffuser and 'piped-in' noise as well - Jeez.
I genuinely thought PH was about interesting cars and genuine enthusiasts, not diesel saloons for commuting - For clarity:
Lexspace thread = Interesting
This = Not
Having said all that, maybe this is just a sign of the times: With everyone stuck behind 40mph bimblers/asleep at the wheel, maybe this is 'interesting' modern motoring...
LULT
It has many things going for it, there is probably a complex equation to determine our interest but I think it has more than enough good qualities to interest petrolheads regardless of fuel type.I know each to their own/horses for courses etc., but such cars pretty much epitomises everything I find depressing about new cars and the choices modern buyers make:
- Turbo
- Diesel
- Auto
- Excessive niche model (driving up prices/parts/insurance costs along the way)
- Insistence of marketing departments (and buyers reinforcing) the reference of saloons as coupes
- Overpriced
- Unnecessarily big/heavy
- Massive rims (necessary to offset/balance the massive body, see above)
- Lease purchase (necessary to facilitate the overpricing/overpriced because of availability of leasing, see above)
- Unnecessary gadgets (internet?!?)
- White
Can't really be bothered to look into it, but it's probably got a fake diffuser and 'piped-in' noise as well - Jeez.
I genuinely thought PH was about interesting cars and genuine enthusiasts, not diesel saloons for commuting - For clarity:
Lexspace thread = Interesting
This = Not
Having said all that, maybe this is just a sign of the times: With everyone stuck behind 40mph bimblers/asleep at the wheel, maybe this is 'interesting' modern motoring...
LULT
Ares said:
E65Ross said:
Muzzer79 said:
I'm surprised the OP has had so much grief.
He's clearly an enthusiast, enjoying his new purchase and the fun he's getting out of it.
It may be a diesel BMW and you or I may not have bought it but I applaud him for enjoying his car and driving it, just as I'd applaud a new member with a 3 cylinder Fiat 500 or a V12 Ferrari.
This is a car enthusiast's forum after all?
It would be a boring world if we all liked the same thing, and this would be a much smaller place if we only had threads like Lexspace.
I think the reason is probably because there's a difference betweenHe's clearly an enthusiast, enjoying his new purchase and the fun he's getting out of it.
It may be a diesel BMW and you or I may not have bought it but I applaud him for enjoying his car and driving it, just as I'd applaud a new member with a 3 cylinder Fiat 500 or a V12 Ferrari.
This is a car enthusiast's forum after all?
It would be a boring world if we all liked the same thing, and this would be a much smaller place if we only had threads like Lexspace.
"I've just got xxxx car which is possibly the best car in the real world" and "I've just got xxxx car which I love and is perfect for what I need an I'm really enjoying it"
The former is a very bold claim, the latter is absolutely brilliant.
Are you the kind of person the demands politically correct vernacular? Chalkboard not whiteboard, cover-over-access-to-underground-cavities-and-passageways not man-hole-cover?
The first is someone saying they have the best car in the world, the 2nd is saying they're very happy with their car which is best suited to them.
I'll use the M6, yet again....for an M6 owner who can afford it quite comfortable, how is your 640d a better car in the real world than an M6?
[quote=Ares]
Nope, neither - Clue is in the name, multi-year reader or 'lurker' (as I believe some would call me). Only finally posted as so shocked your purchase was so popular/well received. You're clearly pleased and that's all that really matters...
Not a fan of FI (diesel or petrol), outright performance not be all and end all for me and not bothered want others think of looks etc., but admire your half glass full outlook and have to accept for many your list appears to appeal (as evidenced by this thread).
Glad to hear it's sans diffuser and noise generator though, at least that's something!
Nope, neither - Clue is in the name, multi-year reader or 'lurker' (as I believe some would call me). Only finally posted as so shocked your purchase was so popular/well received. You're clearly pleased and that's all that really matters...
Not a fan of FI (diesel or petrol), outright performance not be all and end all for me and not bothered want others think of looks etc., but admire your half glass full outlook and have to accept for many your list appears to appeal (as evidenced by this thread).
Glad to hear it's sans diffuser and noise generator though, at least that's something!
E65Ross said:
There's a big difference.
The first is someone saying they have the best car in the world, the 2nd is saying they're very happy with their car which is best suited to them.
I'll use the M6, yet again....for an M6 owner who can afford it quite comfortable, how is your 640d a better car in the real world than an M6?
I did say 'possibly', not 'definitely', 'definitively' or 'absolutely'...!The first is someone saying they have the best car in the world, the 2nd is saying they're very happy with their car which is best suited to them.
I'll use the M6, yet again....for an M6 owner who can afford it quite comfortable, how is your 640d a better car in the real world than an M6?
...and I'm not carte blanche saying it is better.... my opinion would be based on economics. I'm lucky, I could afford an M6. The 640d became a better prospect as the savings I will make on running costs alone will fund a caterham!
LurkULongTime said:
Nope, neither - Clue is in the name, multi-year reader or 'lurker' (as I believe some would call me). Only finally posted as so shocked your purchase was so popular/well received. You're clearly pleased and that's all that really matters...
Not a fan of FI (diesel or petrol), outright performance not be all and end all for me and not bothered want others think of looks etc., but admire your half glass full outlook and have to accept for many your list appears to appeal (as evidenced by this thread).
Glad to hear it's sans diffuser and noise generator though, at least that's something!
Multiyear reader....since yesterday? I believe the acronym for that is T.R.O.L.LNot a fan of FI (diesel or petrol), outright performance not be all and end all for me and not bothered want others think of looks etc., but admire your half glass full outlook and have to accept for many your list appears to appeal (as evidenced by this thread).
Glad to hear it's sans diffuser and noise generator though, at least that's something!
E65Ross said:
There's a big difference.
The first is someone saying they have the best car in the world, the 2nd is saying they're very happy with their car which is best suited to them.
I'll use the M6, yet again....for an M6 owner who can afford it quite comfortable, how is your 640d a better car in the real world than an M6?
Well is range is better, just because you can afford an M6 doesn't mean you'll be happy filling up all the time. The first is someone saying they have the best car in the world, the 2nd is saying they're very happy with their car which is best suited to them.
I'll use the M6, yet again....for an M6 owner who can afford it quite comfortable, how is your 640d a better car in the real world than an M6?
And when I read the term "best car in the real world" I think of a car that provides a balance of practicality/affordability/performance/style/comfort/efficiency etc...
A blend of measures that the car covers well without lurching off in any one direction, for me the M6 fails on the efficiency measure. (of course I'd rather have an GC M6 but that doesn't make it a better car "real world")
The term isn't literal rather figurative but many on PH choose to read as such to try and niggle/pull apart the original statement.
Ares said:
...and for your interest. No fake diffuser or piped in noise.
The 640d GC does allegedly provide exhaust muzak through the speakers.However the drivetrain does have merit despite the dreaded words - diesel, automatic, and turbo. It's not as sweet as a 6 pot petrol (despite claims about no difference when on the move) but comes with its own rather remarkable straightline agility in real world driving.
Edited by Dryce on Wednesday 9th April 20:22
Here we go... 'Spineless', 'troll', accusations of dual accounts... Is exactly why I don't usually post.
Just because someone doesn't share your view/like your choice doesn't make them a troll.
p.s. You may like to know you don't need to register on PH to read articles and forum threads.
Just because someone doesn't share your view/like your choice doesn't make them a troll.
p.s. You may like to know you don't need to register on PH to read articles and forum threads.
Wills2 said:
My old 2009 911 gens C2S did 0-62 in 4.8 and 100 in 10secs so what is the 640d 5.4 and 12? Not far off is it?
My current M3 is about the same as the 911 and I certainly wouldn't expect to boss a 640d in it, damn that pesky torque.
Fair enough but I think performance is about a lot more than half a second 0 - 60.My current M3 is about the same as the 911 and I certainly wouldn't expect to boss a 640d in it, damn that pesky torque.
Ares said:
Firstly welcome to the forum. With less than a day on this site, and 100% of your posts on the thread I'm assuming you are either a troll...or an established poster than is too spineless to speak without a cloak?
anyway...
That description of the car may be the antithesis of what you believe a PH car should be, but what about the glass half full description:
Twin Turbo
310bhp/460 lb ft torque
0-60 in 5.2secs
Argued by a majority on this thread as the best looking model in the range
Class leading interior
Advanced technology
Great deals available
Does that read like it would spark a petrolhead's and/or genuine enthusiast's interest?
...and for your interest. No fake diffuser or piped in noise.
Nice reply. anyway...
That description of the car may be the antithesis of what you believe a PH car should be, but what about the glass half full description:
Twin Turbo
310bhp/460 lb ft torque
0-60 in 5.2secs
Argued by a majority on this thread as the best looking model in the range
Class leading interior
Advanced technology
Great deals available
Does that read like it would spark a petrolhead's and/or genuine enthusiast's interest?
...and for your interest. No fake diffuser or piped in noise.
Glad you are enjoying the new car. Looking forward to seeing some pics.
Wills2 said:
My old 2009 911 gens C2S did 0-62 in 4.8 and 100 in 10secs so what is the 640d 5.4 and 12? Not far off is it?
My current M3 is about the same as the 911 and I certainly wouldn't expect to boss a 640d in it, damn that pesky torque.
The 640d won't better a 911, and will only match it is certain circumstances... Such as that quoted on Page 1. It's all torque... My current M3 is about the same as the 911 and I certainly wouldn't expect to boss a 640d in it, damn that pesky torque.
Ares said:
The end result of this is performance like I didn’t expect. A playful exit from a dual carriageway roundabout, with a good friend in his 997S saw him fail to gain ground on me….and saw a look of shock and a text message of disbelief from the same friend within 5 minutes……and that on an engine that was still in the delivery suite, such was it’s youth.
br d said:
Fair enough but I think performance is about a lot more than half a second 0 - 60.
I agree, obviously in the right hands the 911 would be away on a twisting road (and as a driving experience on another plane), but the mid range punch these 8sp diesels have is mostly annoying!
br d said:
Wills2 said:
My old 2009 911 gens C2S did 0-62 in 4.8 and 100 in 10secs so what is the 640d 5.4 and 12? Not far off is it?
My current M3 is about the same as the 911 and I certainly wouldn't expect to boss a 640d in it, damn that pesky torque.
Fair enough but I think performance is about a lot more than half a second 0 - 60.My current M3 is about the same as the 911 and I certainly wouldn't expect to boss a 640d in it, damn that pesky torque.
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