640d GC 4days in (possibly still the best car in real world)

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rb5er said:

In the real world for that money so many better, more interesting and rarer cars about that I would personally much prefer.

Is this another one of those 'Why would you buy automatic saloon car A when you could buy manual 2 seater sports car B' comments? They are always good fun, especially the part where somebody actually believes somebody buying a large comfortable 4 door wafter cares that they could instead buy a Cayman.

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Some really rather rude and nasty stuff on this thread. If people disagree with how someone has chosen to spend their money, then surely the right thing to do if they want to join the debate is to politely state why they would have chosen X instead of Y, rather than simply throw personal insults. I really like the 640d GC and can imagine the engine really suits the character of the car. I'm sad so many people have seen fit to treat a new and interesting poster like this and heartened to read some of the better responses, even those who don't like the car, who have at least got some manners.

[rb5er]

Fox- said:

rb5er said:

In the real world for that money so many better, more interesting and rarer cars about that I would personally much prefer.

Is this another one of those 'Why would you buy automatic saloon car A when you could buy manual 2 seater sports car B' comments? They are always good fun, especially the part where somebody actually believes somebody buying a large comfortable 4 door wafter cares that they could instead buy a Cayman.

No this is one of those posts pointing out that there are plenty of other boring wafting diesels out there just as there are plenty of better "real world" cars out there whatever that is supposed to mean.

Your post obviously has less of a point too it than mine as you are commenting on something I didn`t even say. Very helpful. Well done.

[Ares]

Terminator X said:

edo said:

No this st again.

Better range, same performance (quicker in gear). Better residuals (poor versus terrible).

A better drive in the real world (i.e. not on a track). Only sounds marginally worse.

Have you driven a 40d engine?

No, pls tell me all about it. Whilst you're at at though the OP isn't bothered by residuals according to earlier posts so you can discount that which just leaves the mpg issue. Seems silly imho to worry about fuel when you're spending £50k in the first place + the petrol version is a 4.8 V8, what's not to like about that! I'll leave you to cream over Big Diesels though

TX.

Thats a very ignorant post. Of course I'm bothered about residuals, a PCP is based on them. Ditto to think that that level of car makes you ambivolent about fuel costs.

A £50k car does not make you Rockafellar. Anyone with a top, well-specc'd 3-series has spent £50k on their car. Running costs are always going to be a factor.

Would I rather hear a V8 when I hit the throttle - of course
Would I rather have the ability to rocket to 60 half-a-second quicker - not really that bothered.

Would I want to pay £50-10k more for the car? No
Would I want to spend almost double on fuel? No
Would I want to spend well over double on road tax? No.


Considerations like these are what I call 'real world'.

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rb5er said:

Fox- said:

rb5er said:

In the real world for that money so many better, more interesting and rarer cars about that I would personally much prefer.

Is this another one of those 'Why would you buy automatic saloon car A when you could buy manual 2 seater sports car B' comments? They are always good fun, especially the part where somebody actually believes somebody buying a large comfortable 4 door wafter cares that they could instead buy a Cayman.

No this is one of those posts pointing out that there are plenty of other boring wafting diesels out there just as there are plenty of better "real world" cars out there whatever that is supposed to mean.

Your post obviously has less of a point too it than mine as you are commenting on something I didn`t even say. Very helpful. Well done.

.....and yet no-one can name a new 4-door car that is so much better,ideally with 300bhp+ ?? If there are SO many, which cars do what the 640d Gran Coupe does, but better??

Genuinely interested. I couldn't find a single one.

[crazy about cars]

Loving that display screen. New gen BMWs certainly have improved miles in this area.

Any pictures of the rear OP?

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rb5er said:

No this is one of those posts pointing out that there are plenty of other boring wafting diesels out there just as there are plenty of better "real world" cars out there whatever that is supposed to mean.

Your post obviously has less of a point too it than mine as you are commenting on something I didn`t even say. Very helpful. Well done.

I assumed you had to mean something else entirely though because I can't think of 'many' better, 4 door automatic saloons for the money. Infact I can think of hardly any let alone 'many'.

So do please fill us in on what these many better cars of the same type might be?

[coolchris]

Nice car mate,

Seems pretty sad that some people are quick to put the boot in on here.I do wonder how the people who put negative comments would act in a face to face conversation.Its very easy to put someone down or knock them hidden behind a pc.

chris

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I hate diesel cars. I hate huge and heavy cars. I hate the styling of modern BMWs. I think financing a car purchase is bonkers. I hate white cars. I drive a 2 seater in my "real world", which includes commuting.

I am not saying all this to attack the OP or his choice, but just to give you some feel for what I like and dislike about cars before I comment on the thread.

You cannot help but smile at the OP's enjoyment of his new car...unless you are a nobhead.

And you cannot help but be impressed by the combination of mpg and performance with these big diesel engines...unless you are a nobhead. I cant even get my head around how this 4.0 diesel engine in a heavy car is getting about the same mpg as most of the 2.0 diesel stboxes out there. The devil's fuel is strange stuff.

Congratulations on your purchase and enjoyment of it, OP - it sounds like the perfect car for your needs and wants, which is something that a car enthusiast should applaud.

To the grumpy posters - you can be a car enthusiast and buy something other than a V8/Porsche/Elise/Mx5. We can all tease the OP for doing stuff like buying an over-optioned diesel boat, but dont get personal and dont tell a man that he isnt an enthusiast just because he is a bit of a show off and makes decisions that you wouldnt (even in his circumstances).

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Fox- said:

So do please fill us in on what these many better cars of the same type might be?

When you say of the same type? Does that mean they have to be German diesel coupes with a BMW badge and of the 6series flavour as if so OK that will be difficult but if you mean large powerful cars then yes I can think of plenty.

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rb5er said:

When you say of the same type?

Large, new, 4 seater, 4 door saloon cars for similar money. Fairly clear, I'd say?

After all, there are apparently many that are the same sort of car and better, as I was criticised for suggesting the implication was that he should have paid the same money for a sports car instead..

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OP - Thought about taking an Audi A7 with the new 3.0 BiTDI engine on an extended test drive and writing up a comparison?

[rb5er]

Fox- said:

rb5er said:

When you say of the same type?

Large, new, 4 seater, 4 door saloon cars for similar money. Fairly clear, I'd say?
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Are you serious? You want me to name every 4 door saloon car up to £73k that I would have over these quite ugly BMW`s? You honestly cant just see that yourself?

I was merely pointing out the ridiculousness of the thread title. Not expecting to reel off a list of cars I would personally deem preferable to this.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-XF-5-0V8-510PS-au...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2014-Jaguar-XJ-XJ-3-0d-V...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-S7-/321369698544?pt...

Theres just 3 cars from 2 manufacturers in 30 seconds. Personally i think you can go to a much lower budget and get a preferable car. Its the thread title that I find more pretentious than even the car.

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aspirated said:

OP - Thought about taking an Audi A7 with the new 3.0 BiTDI engine on an extended test drive and writing up a comparison?

I could be wrong, but I think the biggest problem with Audi compared to BMW in this kind of situation, is the finance packages are nowhere nearvas competitive.

[aspirated]

slippery said:

aspirated said:

OP - Thought about taking an Audi A7 with the new 3.0 BiTDI engine on an extended test drive and writing up a comparison?

I could be wrong, but I think the biggest problem with Audi compared to BMW in this kind of situation, is the finance packages are nowhere near as competitive.

You're probably right, but I meant as in to compare the day to day experience/driving dynamics and usability, I guess the BMW would be better to drive but how would quattro feel with roughly the same amount of power and engine config.

[slippery]

aspirated said:

You're probably right, but I meant as in to compare the day to day experience/driving dynamics and usability, I guess the BMW would be better to drive but how would quattro feel with roughly the same amount of power and engine config.

I know the engine is a corker. I'm tempted by an A8 4.2 TDi V8, but they are nowhere near as pretty as the 6 GC.

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rb5er said:

Are you serious? You want me to name every 4 door saloon car up to £73k that I would have over these quite ugly BMW`s? You honestly cant just see that yourself?

I was merely pointing out the ridiculousness of the thread title. Not expecting to reel off a list of cars I would personally deem preferable to this.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-XF-5-0V8-510PS-au...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2014-Jaguar-XJ-XJ-3-0d-V...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-S7-/321369698544?pt...

Theres just 3 cars from 2 manufacturers in 30 seconds. Personally i think you can go to a much lower budget and get a preferable car. Its the thread title that I find more pretentious than even the car.

So 3 cars, of which two are nutter turbocharged/supercharged ultra high end performance variants, surely M6 rivals not 640 diesel rivals. Only one is a diesel saloon, and a good one at that.

So thats 1 car thats as good at doing what a 640d does for for the money (Though it is slower and down on power). Excellent. I thought there were 'many, many' cars that were better?

[rb5er]

Fox- said:

So 3 cars, of which two are nutter turbocharged/supercharged ultra high end performance variants, surely M6 rivals not 640 diesel rivals. Only one is a diesel saloon, and a good one at that.

So thats 1 car thats as good at doing what a 640d does for for the money (Though it is slower and down on power). Excellent. I thought there were 'many, many' cars that were better?

Like I said, looked at 1 site (ebay) and took about 30 seconds. I`m not going to list them all to please you, you can feel free to do that yourself, there are plenty.

Yes some are high performance but are much cheaper than this diesel car (£20k) negating any fuel economy saving. All are preferable in my personal opinion and there are loads to look at if you simply open your eyes and have a little search for yourself.

The point I was making is at the bolshy arrogance of the thread title when so many options are available at that price point.

Hmm 640d or Jaguar XFR and £20k towards fuel.. I know which I would rather.

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slippery said:

aspirated said:

You're probably right, but I meant as in to compare the day to day experience/driving dynamics and usability, I guess the BMW would be better to drive but how would quattro feel with roughly the same amount of power and engine config.

I know the engine is a corker. I'm tempted by an A8 4.2 TDi V8, but they are nowhere near as pretty as the 6 GC.

DMS remap them to 402bhp/670lbft. Do it

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rb5er said:

Yes some are high performance but are much cheaper than this diesel car (£20k) negating any fuel economy saving. All are preferable in my personal opinion and there are loads to look at if you simply open your eyes and have a little search for yourself.

None of the cars you have linked to are £20k cheaper?

The OP's car was, brand new, £53k.

rb5er said:

Hmm 640d or Jaguar XFR and £20k towards fuel.. I know which I would rather.

Comparing used and new cars is irrelevant when claiming there are 'many better cars' available even if your numbers were not totally made up.

Top maths tip:

£54k is £1k more than £53k, not £20k less.

So far all you've done is supported my point, that those who claim there are 'many better cars' available are simply listing what they'd buy even if its something totally different like a second hand supercharged V8 Jag.