640d GC 4days in (possibly still the best car in real world)

640d GC 4days in (possibly still the best car in real world)

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slippery

14,093 posts

238 months

Sunday 20th April 2014
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aspirated said:
DMS remap them to 402bhp/670lbft. Do it biggrin
I know and it's very tempting. As is a remapped 700 BHP RS6 now my annual mileage is less than half of what it used to be. smile

Ares

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11,000 posts

119 months

Sunday 20th April 2014
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rb5er said:
Fox- said:
rb5er said:
When you say of the same type?
Large, new, 4 seater, 4 door saloon cars for similar money. Fairly clear, I'd say?
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Are you serious? You want me to name every 4 door saloon car up to £73k that I would have over these quite ugly BMW`s? You honestly cant just see that yourself?

I was merely pointing out the ridiculousness of the thread title. Not expecting to reel off a list of cars I would personally deem preferable to this.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-XF-5-0V8-510PS-au...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2014-Jaguar-XJ-XJ-3-0d-V...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-S7-/321369698544?pt...

Theres just 3 cars from 2 manufacturers in 30 seconds. Personally i think you can go to a much lower budget and get a preferable car. Its the thread title that I find more pretentious than even the car.
3 cars....none of which really compete? Two forced induction Petrol 'Q-cars' and a diesel luxury car that comes up near 50bhp short and expensive??


So again....of all these cars that I could have/should have bought.... What are they? I'm genuinely interested.

Ares

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11,000 posts

119 months

Sunday 20th April 2014
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aspirated said:
OP - Thought about taking an Audi A7 with the new 3.0 BiTDI engine on an extended test drive and writing up a comparison?
Not driven the A7, but have driven the A6 BiTurbo. Lovely car, similarly quick, BMWs edge seems to more down to a better gearbox, good build quality, although a little numb and bland to drive (felt as if you sit 'on' the Audi, rather than 'in' the BMW).

Never warmed to the A7. Nothing like as good looking, especially inside where the interior just seems standard Audi array of germanic design and buttons - fall-away dash also gives it and airy MPV feel rather than something more sporting. Plus Audi's interest in shifting cars is nothing like as much as BMWs is so the deals are nothing like as keen.

Still a nice car though and gives the advantage of the Quattro option!

Ares

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11,000 posts

119 months

Sunday 20th April 2014
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rb5er said:
Fox- said:
So 3 cars, of which two are nutter turbocharged/supercharged ultra high end performance variants, surely M6 rivals not 640 diesel rivals. Only one is a diesel saloon, and a good one at that.

So thats 1 car thats as good at doing what a 640d does for for the money (Though it is slower and down on power). Excellent. I thought there were 'many, many' cars that were better?
Like I said, looked at 1 site (ebay) and took about 30 seconds. I`m not going to list them all to please you, you can feel free to do that yourself, there are plenty.

Yes some are high performance but are much cheaper than this diesel car (£20k) negating any fuel economy saving. All are preferable in my personal opinion and there are loads to look at if you simply open your eyes and have a little search for yourself.

The point I was making is at the bolshy arrogance of the thread title when so many options are available at that price point.

Hmm 640d or Jaguar XFR and £20k towards fuel.. I know which I would rather.
But an XFR, like-for-like will cost at least as much as the 640d if not more once deals are factored in? (unless you know a supply of £33k brand new XFRs of course wink ) ....XFR would also cost a lot more to tax, fuel, service, etc etc.


So back to these 'so many options' and my arrogance....??? What other 300bhp, 4 door, 40/50mpg large saloons are there?

Layacable

815 posts

207 months

Sunday 20th April 2014
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Its a shame that there is lots of hate in this thread (and not enough pics!)

The GC is a lovely looking thing IMO, but isnt a viable purchace for us as we need 3 full back seats.

Great car OP......more pics please!.

Ares

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11,000 posts

119 months

Sunday 20th April 2014
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Layacable said:
Its a shame that there is lots of hate in this thread (and not enough pics!)

The GC is a lovely looking thing IMO, but isnt a viable purchace for us as we need 3 full back seats.

Great car OP......more pics please!.
Sorry.....I'll work on the pictures!

The rear seat is a strange choice. Three, 3-point seat belts, but only really two rear bucket seats. My wife sat on the middle 'seat' for a 20 mile journey, legs straddling the rear console. She was fine for that 20 miles/20 mins, but wouldn't have wanted to do it for 2 hours!

That said, the 2 main rear seats are lovely and very, very comfortable.

Cupramax

10,468 posts

251 months

Sunday 20th April 2014
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Ares said:
have driven the A6 BiTurbo. Lovely car, similarly quick, BMWs edge seems to more down to a better gearbox,
Both cars have the same gearbox albeit in 4wd format in the Audi, its not a DSG.

coolchris

921 posts

201 months

Sunday 20th April 2014
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In my opinion its a cracking car the OP has the only other similar car I can think of that ticks similar boxes is the Alpina D5 bi turbo 47mpg 345bhp 516ft lb torque 5 secs to 60 55k

rouge59

332 posts

126 months

Sunday 20th April 2014
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Ares said:
My wife sat, legs straddling the rear console.
Link please.

Ares

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11,000 posts

119 months

Monday 21st April 2014
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Cupramax said:
Ares said:
have driven the A6 BiTurbo. Lovely car, similarly quick, BMWs edge seems to more down to a better gearbox,
Both cars have the same gearbox albeit in 4wd format in the Audi, its not a DSG.
Really? doesn't feel like it. The Audi felt a LOT longer geared and the changes were nothing like as quick. Didn't even feel as quick to shift as my old 530d's gearbox - again technically the same ZF box as in the 640d (and A6 from what you are saying).


Ares

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11,000 posts

119 months

Monday 21st April 2014
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coolchris said:
In my opinion its a cracking car the OP has the only other similar car I can think of that ticks similar boxes is the Alpina D5 bi turbo 47mpg 345bhp 516ft lb torque 5 secs to 60 55k
Thats a great car - just a shame they don't do the 6GC with the same engine (ditto the lack of 650d - yet!)

Cupramax

10,468 posts

251 months

Monday 21st April 2014
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Ares said:
Cupramax said:
Ares said:
have driven the A6 BiTurbo. Lovely car, similarly quick, BMWs edge seems to more down to a better gearbox,
Both cars have the same gearbox albeit in 4wd format in the Audi, its not a DSG.
Really? doesn't feel like it. The Audi felt a LOT longer geared and the changes were nothing like as quick. Didn't even feel as quick to shift as my old 530d's gearbox - again technically the same ZF box as in the 640d (and A6 from what you are saying).
I didnt say it had the same ratios, its just the same ZF8 speed box, the Audi biturbo produces too much torque for their DSG box so the 8 speed ZF was the only option, the RS6/7 uses it as well for the same reason.

aspirated

2,539 posts

145 months

Monday 21st April 2014
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Ares said:
Thats a great car - just a shame they don't do the 6GC with the same engine (ditto the lack of 650d - yet!)
Will you be upgrading to the M650d xDrive then? hehe

rb5er

11,657 posts

171 months

Monday 21st April 2014
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Fox- said:
Comparing used and new cars is irrelevant when claiming there are 'many better cars' available even if your numbers were not totally made up.

Top maths tip:

£54k is £1k more than £53k, not £20k less.

So far all you've done is supported my point, that those who claim there are 'many better cars' available are simply listing what they'd buy even if its something totally different like a second hand supercharged V8 Jag.
I never picked a used car. I picked new cars.

Only just seen it was £75k with a big discount down to £53k. More like it.

slippery

14,093 posts

238 months

Monday 21st April 2014
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rb5er said:
I never picked a used car. I picked new cars.

Only just seen it was £75k with a big discount down to £53k. More like it.
readit Keep up at the back! hehe

Usget

5,426 posts

210 months

Monday 21st April 2014
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That MPG is frankly ridiculous. I don't get a great deal more than that from the 120d - and I thought that was pretty good for a 190bhp car!

I echo the requests for more pics - these are great looking cars, and I love the interior.

wibblebrain

656 posts

139 months

Tuesday 22nd April 2014
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rb5er said:
The point I was making is at the bolshy arrogance of the thread title when so many options are available at that price point.
Bolshy? Arrogance?

A case of the pot calling the kettle black methinks!

If you don't agree with the thread title and can't empathise with the OP why not just ignore the thread? No need to be bolshy and arrogant towards the OP just because he's a little overenthusiastic for your taste.

rb5er

11,657 posts

171 months

Tuesday 22nd April 2014
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wibblebrain said:
If you don't agree with the thread title and can't empathise with the OP why not just ignore the thread?
The same reason you just can`t ignore my post and have to remark on it. Its the human condition to pass comment on something you personally find disagreeable.

Obviously something neither of us are immune to. wink

edo

16,699 posts

264 months

Tuesday 22nd April 2014
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Another thread turns to st on PH.

banghead

TREMAiNE

3,895 posts

148 months

Tuesday 22nd April 2014
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rb5er said:
wibblebrain said:
If you don't agree with the thread title and can't empathise with the OP why not just ignore the thread?
The same reason you just can`t ignore my post and have to remark on it. Its the human condition to pass comment on something you personally find disagreeable.

Obviously something neither of us are immune to. wink
Your nasty comments are ridiculous. Clearly a bit of jealousy that the OP has spent and sizeable some that you (or I, for that matter) couldn't possibly afford on what he thinks is the best car in the world in his opinion and for his requirements.

You can clearly see the model in the thread title, so you've obviously come on here to put a downer on things.

Anyone can spend a make-believe £53,000 at their desk on a forum. I'd love to say that "if it were my money I'd by a 355, what is the OP thinking?" but realistically I know that if it wasn't dreamland I'd buy something a lot more sensible and a 640D would be a solid contender!