The Practical Family Barge - E61 M5

The Practical Family Barge - E61 M5

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hadenough!

3,785 posts

261 months

Monday 23rd June 2014
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hadenough! said:
MuZiZZle said:
...it tends to stop working after rain, and since I have a warranty it may aswell go in, cheers for the idea though!
Have you checked for a puddle in the boot?
Have you checked the boot for leaks? If it's the same as the other e61 variants, the ecu sits down there and can drown.

Sat90

64 posts

119 months

Monday 23rd June 2014
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D4MJT said:
I lolled at "sluggish at low revs"

And also "most petrol engines do"

Diesels of course being the last word in response and power before the turbo spools lol.
Lol, you know what I mean. They don't have the shove in the back that you get in a diesel unless it's strapped to a big-ass turbo or supercharger or weighs less than a shoe...

Shaoxter

4,085 posts

125 months

Monday 23rd June 2014
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Sat90 said:
D4MJT said:
I lolled at "sluggish at low revs"

And also "most petrol engines do"

Diesels of course being the last word in response and power before the turbo spools lol.
Lol, you know what I mean. They don't have the shove in the back that you get in a diesel unless it's strapped to a big-ass turbo or supercharger or weighs less than a shoe...
I think you'll find the "shove in the back" in a diesel car is due to the turbo rather than the fact that it runs off diesel fuel. I mean have you ever tried a naturally aspirated diesel?

Sat90

64 posts

119 months

Monday 23rd June 2014
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Shaoxter said:
Sat90 said:
D4MJT said:
I lolled at "sluggish at low revs"

And also "most petrol engines do"

Diesels of course being the last word in response and power before the turbo spools lol.
Lol, you know what I mean. They don't have the shove in the back that you get in a diesel unless it's strapped to a big-ass turbo or supercharger or weighs less than a shoe...
I think you'll find the "shove in the back" in a diesel car is due to the turbo rather than the fact that it runs off diesel fuel. I mean have you ever tried a naturally aspirated diesel?
Yeah, I have. It was the longest 0-30 I've ever experienced. I am aware of the turbo kicking in on a diesel being responsible for the shove in the back. It has such an effect due to the lethargy of an NA diesel so the perceived effect of the shove experienced lower in the rev range is more than compared to a petrol....

D4MJT

1,257 posts

159 months

Tuesday 24th June 2014
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Sat90 said:
Lol, you know what I mean. They don't have the shove in the back that you get in a diesel unless it's strapped to a big-ass turbo or supercharger or weighs less than a shoe...
haha.

I used to run a 1.5 flat diesel 106 as a commuting weapon years back, the performance was errrr, tectonic.

E65Ross

35,122 posts

213 months

Tuesday 24th June 2014
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Shaoxter said:
Sat90 said:
D4MJT said:
I lolled at "sluggish at low revs"

And also "most petrol engines do"

Diesels of course being the last word in response and power before the turbo spools lol.
Lol, you know what I mean. They don't have the shove in the back that you get in a diesel unless it's strapped to a big-ass turbo or supercharger or weighs less than a shoe...
I think you'll find the "shove in the back" in a diesel car is due to the turbo rather than the fact that it runs off diesel fuel. I mean have you ever tried a naturally aspirated diesel?
This entirely.

Sat90

64 posts

119 months

Tuesday 24th June 2014
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E65Ross said:
Shaoxter said:
Sat90 said:
D4MJT said:
I lolled at "sluggish at low revs"

And also "most petrol engines do"

Diesels of course being the last word in response and power before the turbo spools lol.
Lol, you know what I mean. They don't have the shove in the back that you get in a diesel unless it's strapped to a big-ass turbo or supercharger or weighs less than a shoe...
I think you'll find the "shove in the back" in a diesel car is due to the turbo rather than the fact that it runs off diesel fuel. I mean have you ever tried a naturally aspirated diesel?
This entirely.
Tut, since everyone is being so pedantic....


The M5 can maybe feel sluggish at lower revs as it's an NA petrol engine, like most NA engines do when compared to turbo or supercharged petrols and diesels...........



Jeez, I'd hate to make a spelling error. I'd be hung on a cross and burned in the town centre......

Hungrymc

6,689 posts

138 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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Sat90 said:
Tut, since everyone is being so pedantic....


The M5 can maybe feel sluggish at lower revs as it's an NA petrol engine, like most NA engines do when compared to turbo or supercharged petrols and diesels...........



Jeez, I'd hate to make a spelling error. I'd be hung on a cross and burned in the town centre......
I think people are over reacting a bit, the torque comments aren't slating the car. It's a high reving high output engine. They always feel like they have to be worked fairly hard to make the most of them (but that's really worth doing as it's glorious). It's not that it lacks torque, it's just the nature of the power delivery draws you into using it at higher revs and if you ask a lot of it at lower revs, you're kind of 'waiting' for that wonderful top end.

Don't stress over it, no need to defend it, it's a glorious engine and a brilliant car.

MuZiZZle

Original Poster:

680 posts

191 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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Hungrymc said:
I think people are over reacting a bit, the torque comments aren't slating the car. It's a high reving high output engine. They always feel like they have to be worked fairly hard to make the most of them (but that's really worth doing as it's glorious). It's not that it lacks torque, it's just the nature of the power delivery draws you into using it at higher revs and if you ask a lot of it at lower revs, you're kind of 'waiting' for that wonderful top end.

Don't stress over it, no need to defend it, it's a glorious engine and a brilliant car.
The top of the rev band is akin to VTec (but it actually does something), it's strange, it sort of lunges forward a few thousand before the limiter, it's similar to my cammed Saxo VTS, well, I say similar

MuZiZZle

Original Poster:

680 posts

191 months

Saturday 12th July 2014
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Well then, I got my car back last week after the dealers had it in for a service and diagnostic plus some warranty bits.

The service seemed reasonable for it being the big 60,000 mile one, originally I was quoted around £1660 for it, I then called them back and mentioned the maindealerdiscount site to them, a spot of negotiation, supplying my own oil via opie, and it came in at £770, with a few little bits and bobs.

Scope
Software update
Engine oil
Plugs
Diff Oil
SMG Oil
Induction filters
Cabin Filters

The faults it went in for, Comfort access not working, turned out to be the wiring in the boot hinge, this was classed as wear and tear, so not covered by the warranty, they did the work without asking me, and since I've been shafted for half of the money by the garage I bought the car off as it should have been okay'd by them prior to thew work going ahead, BMW didn't even notify me that the work was out of warranty and just did it. I'm not really that fussed, I'm not trying to be cheap with this car, I just don't like paying over the odds.

The Paddle wasn't done, the boot strut wasn't done, they said they'd looked at the load cover?

I rang them at noon about picking the car up, they said they'd call straight back, about 4:30 they rang back (not a big deal for most but I had to sleep due to shift work), I went to collect the car and it took them an hour to do the invoice for payment as I sat twiddling my thumbs.

All of this aside, I have the car back, and it's even better now as I don't set the alarm of at 5:55am!






ecain63

10,588 posts

176 months

Saturday 12th July 2014
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Boot wiring is a warranty item. I had it done when mine went. I'd query it!

MuZiZZle

Original Poster:

680 posts

191 months

Sunday 13th July 2014
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ecain63 said:
Boot wiring is a warranty item. I had it done when mine went. I'd query it!
I might do actually, the guy at BMW said that when the car hits 60k a lot of things are now classed as wear and tear, this being one of them, so they're not covered. I then asked, so the price of the warranty jumps up at 60k, but it coveres less, he brushed over it and moved on.

The fix cost less than the excess so it's not really worth chasing for the money, but I might ring for clarification.

  • edit, I've just emailed "Mondial" aka Allianz, for some information on this.

Edited by MuZiZZle on Sunday 13th July 07:54

MuZiZZle

Original Poster:

680 posts

191 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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Quick update, all is going well with the car.

It went to Bolton Abbey for the Sax-P forum meet:



Then it sort of attended the French Owners Rolling Road Day at Evotune in Durham :



She's well!


MuZiZZle

Original Poster:

680 posts

191 months

Sunday 17th May 2015
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So I've still got this, I drive it sometimes biggrin

It's still quite good, it's no VTS though!

8866 miles in a year, 8866 miles of pleasure.


leglessAlex

5,484 posts

142 months

Sunday 17th May 2015
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I'm not sure there are many other estate cars where I'd look at the figure of 15mpg and think "yeah... That's totally worth it" biggrin

MuZiZZle

Original Poster:

680 posts

191 months

Tuesday 21st July 2015
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In for a brake fluid service today, I decided to take it to Cooper Sunderland, at £140 they were £60 more than Newcastle but I've had enough of them, so I took it south of the water. They were utterly superb, the entire experience was what it should be, taking into account I was only there for something small, it was a pleasure, I bet not many people can say that after a visit to a BMW dealership.

Now bill time, a quoted £140 on the phone came to..........£80, they discounted it for me, pointed out it could possibly do with wipers next time I'm in and said it may need tyres in about 6k and he would match the price I got.

A very happy customer!

cerb4.5lee

30,835 posts

181 months

Tuesday 21st July 2015
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Pleased its still treating you well, I see it as pretty much the perfect family car...if I could afford the fuel bills! Enjoy biggrin

S10GTA

12,703 posts

168 months

Tuesday 21st July 2015
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Lovely car. Wish my pockets were deeper.

Shaoxter

4,085 posts

125 months

Tuesday 21st July 2015
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£80 is pretty good from a main dealer considering BMW "value" service is £120.

Of course it's all relative, a very reputable BMW indy with former master techs did mine for £50 smile

996lee

88 posts

107 months

Tuesday 21st July 2015
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beautiful car buddy
power with practicality!
even in my lotto garage I'd have one of these as a practical work horse