The cursed Rallye
Discussion
Well thankyou for this thread, crushed my idea of swapping my celica for a GTI-6 immediately! 
Looks like we both cut our teeth driving the same roads, the run from Chudleigh up to Moretonhampstead and then over the moors is one of my favourites.
Have you got a picture of how the whole car looks on the steelies?
Looks like we both cut our teeth driving the same roads, the run from Chudleigh up to Moretonhampstead and then over the moors is one of my favourites.
Have you got a picture of how the whole car looks on the steelies?
l354uge said:
Well thankyou for this thread, crushed my idea of swapping my celica for a GTI-6 immediately!
Looks like we both cut our teeth driving the same roads, the run from Chudleigh up to Moretonhampstead and then over the moors is one of my favourites.
Have you got a picture of how the whole car looks on the steelies?
No pictures of the steeloys I'm afraid. I think I may have one on the desktop at home, but I'm away at the mo. It definitely looks better on Cyclones though. And with 55 profile tyres. Still, it's racecar. Or something.Looks like we both cut our teeth driving the same roads, the run from Chudleigh up to Moretonhampstead and then over the moors is one of my favourites.
Have you got a picture of how the whole car looks on the steelies?
I was only in Devon for four years, half of which I was back home anyway. And half of one of them I was in Italy (which is better than Devon - sorry). I cut my teeth in Wiltshire. Which is terrible. Don't ever go there for a drive.
jord294 said:
You should just get away with that tube.
Personally, and uneven surface where the bearing sits, and I would scrap it off
Jord, just the man. Who do you recommend as a beam parts supplier? I have a preference for decent quality over minimising initial outlay... (Although you're probably right. It's not right putting a bearing into a pitted tube. Still undecided TBH.)Personally, and uneven surface where the bearing sits, and I would scrap it off
bitwrx said:
Jord, just the man. Who do you recommend as a beam parts supplier? I have a preference for decent quality over minimising initial outlay... (Although you're probably right. It's not right putting a bearing into a pitted tube. Still undecided TBH.)
I can get hold of genuine parts easy enough, and actually have a mint tube which is being powdercoated yellow, and will be fitted with beatings and sealsOr why don't you just put your name on this one I have. Will be freshly rebuilt with genuine parts, and comes with 21mm torsion bars (nice upgrade from 20s)
jord294 said:
bitwrx said:
Jord, just the man. Who do you recommend as a beam parts supplier? I have a preference for decent quality over minimising initial outlay... (Although you're probably right. It's not right putting a bearing into a pitted tube. Still undecided TBH.)
I can get hold of genuine parts easy enough, and actually have a mint tube which is being powdercoated yellow, and will be fitted with beatings and sealsOr why don't you just put your name on this one I have. Will be freshly rebuilt with genuine parts, and comes with 21mm torsion bars (nice upgrade from 20s)
Didn't know genuine bits were still available. Or have you got a pile of NOS bits stashed somewhere?
(And I think I already have 21mm bars in the vts beam that's on there at the moment. That's right isn't it?
Gents, I am a Pug owner in New Zealand and many but not all of the issues you talk of with rear beams, brake calipers & bushings we dont see nearly as often. Could that be due to your salted roads? We dont salt roads here as never snow in Auckland. I have had 4 205 GTi/CTi's and 4 405 Mi16s incl 1 4WD version & never had to replace a beam axle due to stuffed bearings & dont remember ever having similar caliper issues.
I know all about overheating, head gasket, water pump issues & even ran a big end bearing in my Targa NZ rally 405 Mi16 doing a track day on a high speed circuit in 30 degree temperatures, with engine oil that had done a 5 1/2 day tarmac rally 2 months previously.
I still have a 306 Cabrio 2.0 sohc, a 406 Coupe V6 5 speed & a 1970 404 saloon repowered with a 504 2 litre ohv motor, as the old 1600 was stuffed. We reconditioned the 504 motor, which had cost me $10, but reconitioning new parts cost me $1000 & it dropped in perfectly on to new engine mounts & fitted old exhaust manifold piping perfectly. I am 74 years young & still get a kick out of fast driving in my Pugs.
Don;)
I know all about overheating, head gasket, water pump issues & even ran a big end bearing in my Targa NZ rally 405 Mi16 doing a track day on a high speed circuit in 30 degree temperatures, with engine oil that had done a 5 1/2 day tarmac rally 2 months previously.
I still have a 306 Cabrio 2.0 sohc, a 406 Coupe V6 5 speed & a 1970 404 saloon repowered with a 504 2 litre ohv motor, as the old 1600 was stuffed. We reconditioned the 504 motor, which had cost me $10, but reconitioning new parts cost me $1000 & it dropped in perfectly on to new engine mounts & fitted old exhaust manifold piping perfectly. I am 74 years young & still get a kick out of fast driving in my Pugs.
Don;)
Right then, biannual update time. Or is that biennial? Who knows? Who cares?
Since the timing belt, it's had a new clutch cable, a bit of an engine bay 'refresh', some new shocks, top mounts, some more tyres and another bit of good old vidange. You'll note, no shiney new axle...
It's nearly finished:
It's not really. Bit of a palaver (sp?) TBH. All the rusty bits had to spend a few weeks in a bucket of Deox C, then I had to spray them all with Electrox. Then realise the press I'd borrowed was too small to push the new radius arm shafts back in. So I had to get a mate to do them at work. Then I realised I'd told him to do it wrong, so he had to push them back out a bit. Then I mis-ordered some parts from Peugeot. Which is where we are now. Just waiting for the right parts to arrive so I can fit the ARB.
Probably should've just got that one off Jord way back when...
On the plus side, the new stub shafts went in fine:
And I got to use the gas while making up a dummy shock:
And I got to buy myself some Christmas presents:
The shocks went on fine; did rears first, back in Nov, and the fronts over the Christmas break. The rears were a bit of a parts ordering hashup. I didn't check part numbers with the parts guy at Peugeot, because he wasn't really the parts guy as they've closed the parts counter to customers (???WTF?). And he didn't know or think to mention that the old proper shocks had been superseded by something that looked more spindly than a spindly thing that had a nasty tapeworm infestation. Not the same part at all. More sunderseded (sottoseded?) than superseded. So I had to find what appeared to be the last pair of Bilstein B4s in the country. Well, the Bilstein importer didn't have any, but Amazon did.
Anyway, new shocks front and rear. Easy peasy, apart from having to go a few rounds with a drop link. Feels much better now.
New tyres went on OK. Not well balanced, but they're on the back, so I don't notice much. While swapping wheels, I noticed the OSR caliper was f
king dragging again So it got disembowelled, lubricated and stuck back together with a new seal kit.
This is the third time that caliper has needed attention since it got fitted in 2013. The (presumably original) NSR is still going strong. OSR has gone through a set of pads in 15mths/15 k miles from dragging so much. fking pattern parts. Wish I'd kept the original now. Sometimes
So, why all this effort over Christmas? First track day next week. Meep. Wish me luck. At least I'll have a few newish parts to sell off from whatever comes back. Anyone else up at Bedford on the 14th?
Well done, you've made it this far. You now have the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to tell me what the juddering fk was causing this wear on the outside edge of my roundabout wheel (NSF).
Tread depth was even across the width, but there were little chunks missing on the shoulder. It looks like it's on the join between two rubber compounds, but maybe it's driving style related.
One thing I've never been sure of on this is what pressure to run. Mr Peugeot says 2.5 bar with 195/55 profiles. I'm running 195/50 cos Mr Michelin doesn't make anything good in the right size (nor does anyone else really...). At that pressure the 50 profile tyres looked a bit flat at the bottom, so I bumped it to 2.6, not really knowing whether this was a good thing to do.
Does anybody in the know what the 'correct' way to calculate these things is? I know on tractors working pressure is a function of load and speed, but the Michelin technical bods weren't much help for PS3s.
And finally:
After a good run out in Monmouthshire/Hereford in the Autumn, my sump plug and I are looking for an engine undertray in good condition. Either that, or some advice on sump guard procurement and fitting.
Happy new year all. I look forward to providing another thrilling update in 2018 ish. (But I may pop back to let you know how many pieces make it back from the track day. If I can count that high. Although if it's still in one piece, I think I'll get the thread title changed.)
Since the timing belt, it's had a new clutch cable, a bit of an engine bay 'refresh', some new shocks, top mounts, some more tyres and another bit of good old vidange. You'll note, no shiney new axle...
It's nearly finished:
It's not really. Bit of a palaver (sp?) TBH. All the rusty bits had to spend a few weeks in a bucket of Deox C, then I had to spray them all with Electrox. Then realise the press I'd borrowed was too small to push the new radius arm shafts back in. So I had to get a mate to do them at work. Then I realised I'd told him to do it wrong, so he had to push them back out a bit. Then I mis-ordered some parts from Peugeot. Which is where we are now. Just waiting for the right parts to arrive so I can fit the ARB.
Probably should've just got that one off Jord way back when...
On the plus side, the new stub shafts went in fine:
And I got to use the gas while making up a dummy shock:
And I got to buy myself some Christmas presents:
The shocks went on fine; did rears first, back in Nov, and the fronts over the Christmas break. The rears were a bit of a parts ordering hashup. I didn't check part numbers with the parts guy at Peugeot, because he wasn't really the parts guy as they've closed the parts counter to customers (???WTF?). And he didn't know or think to mention that the old proper shocks had been superseded by something that looked more spindly than a spindly thing that had a nasty tapeworm infestation. Not the same part at all. More sunderseded (sottoseded?) than superseded. So I had to find what appeared to be the last pair of Bilstein B4s in the country. Well, the Bilstein importer didn't have any, but Amazon did.
Anyway, new shocks front and rear. Easy peasy, apart from having to go a few rounds with a drop link. Feels much better now.
New tyres went on OK. Not well balanced, but they're on the back, so I don't notice much. While swapping wheels, I noticed the OSR caliper was f
king dragging again So it got disembowelled, lubricated and stuck back together with a new seal kit.This is the third time that caliper has needed attention since it got fitted in 2013. The (presumably original) NSR is still going strong. OSR has gone through a set of pads in 15mths/15 k miles from dragging so much. f
king pattern parts. Wish I'd kept the original now. Sometimes So, why all this effort over Christmas? First track day next week. Meep. Wish me luck. At least I'll have a few newish parts to sell off from whatever comes back. Anyone else up at Bedford on the 14th?
Well done, you've made it this far. You now have the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to tell me what the juddering f
k was causing this wear on the outside edge of my roundabout wheel (NSF).Tread depth was even across the width, but there were little chunks missing on the shoulder. It looks like it's on the join between two rubber compounds, but maybe it's driving style related.
One thing I've never been sure of on this is what pressure to run. Mr Peugeot says 2.5 bar with 195/55 profiles. I'm running 195/50 cos Mr Michelin doesn't make anything good in the right size (nor does anyone else really...). At that pressure the 50 profile tyres looked a bit flat at the bottom, so I bumped it to 2.6, not really knowing whether this was a good thing to do.
Does anybody in the know what the 'correct' way to calculate these things is? I know on tractors working pressure is a function of load and speed, but the Michelin technical bods weren't much help for PS3s.
And finally:
After a good run out in Monmouthshire/Hereford in the Autumn, my sump plug and I are looking for an engine undertray in good condition. Either that, or some advice on sump guard procurement and fitting.
Happy new year all. I look forward to providing another thrilling update in 2018 ish. (But I may pop back to let you know how many pieces make it back from the track day. If I can count that high. Although if it's still in one piece, I think I'll get the thread title changed.)
Great update and glad you still have the old girl!
Mine is now a dedicated track car but knocking on the door of 162k miles, with only the bottom end remaining original.
Undertrays are like hens teeth, i've yet to find one, do let me know if you find a suitable source!
Keep up the good work, they are such rewarding cars to drive, its the rust i'm fighting at the moment
Chris
Mine is now a dedicated track car but knocking on the door of 162k miles, with only the bottom end remaining original.
Undertrays are like hens teeth, i've yet to find one, do let me know if you find a suitable source!
Keep up the good work, they are such rewarding cars to drive, its the rust i'm fighting at the moment
Chris
What a great read mate. Love your motor and you have done a fair amount of work so far.
I had a gold p reg 306 gti-6 years ago and loved it. Mine used to go off the clock and it had 140mph on it I took it with a pinch of salt though as it's French.
I would think the problem with your rear tyre is your shock absorber being buggered causing no dampening when going bumps causing the tyre to bounce on the road.
You got off lightly with the corrosion on your car. I'm doing up a 1 owner genuine 47k 106 gti and the inner wings are rotten out of it.
I had a gold p reg 306 gti-6 years ago and loved it. Mine used to go off the clock and it had 140mph on it I took it with a pinch of salt though as it's French.
I would think the problem with your rear tyre is your shock absorber being buggered causing no dampening when going bumps causing the tyre to bounce on the road.
You got off lightly with the corrosion on your car. I'm doing up a 1 owner genuine 47k 106 gti and the inner wings are rotten out of it.
Thanks for the comments. Who knew the normal maintenance of a 17 year old hatchback would be of interest to anyone but me?
As far as the tyres go, I don't think it was shock related, as they weren't shagged when they came off; just a bit tired. Will let you know in a year how these tyres wear.
Second update in a week:
After rebuilding the caliper, the mpg appears to have jumped from 28 to more like 31 over 500 mi this weekend. Or that may just be due to the fact that it's all motorway miles at a moderate pace due to fog and rain...
Oh and last Thursday was the 18th anniversary of the Rallye's emergence, blinking, into the Paris light. Maybe all that trouble I had back in '13/'14 was just teenage angst fighting to get out?
Edited because I can't subtract 1999 from 2017
As far as the tyres go, I don't think it was shock related, as they weren't shagged when they came off; just a bit tired. Will let you know in a year how these tyres wear.
Stevos2000 said:
Would this under tray fit yours.
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/7013L1-Engine-Undertray-Be...
It looks like it might - or could be made to - fit. With my experience of non genuine parts, I'd be reticent to give it a go. Interested to hear from anyone who has used one though.http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/7013L1-Engine-Undertray-Be...
Second update in a week:
After rebuilding the caliper, the mpg appears to have jumped from 28 to more like 31 over 500 mi this weekend. Or that may just be due to the fact that it's all motorway miles at a moderate pace due to fog and rain...
Oh and last Thursday was the 18th anniversary of the Rallye's emergence, blinking, into the Paris light. Maybe all that trouble I had back in '13/'14 was just teenage angst fighting to get out?
Edited because I can't subtract 1999 from 2017
Edited by bitwrx on Sunday 8th January 22:16
Edited by bitwrx on Sunday 8th January 23:05
Without wishing to go too nuts with the updates...
NSR caliper rebuilt this eve. I had a new seal kit, but tbh, it wasn't needed. The apparently original caliper was in great nick. No ally corrosion, plating on the sliders and piston still pretty much unmarked. A whole world better than the aftermarket one on the offside.
Did slider seals and piston seal and put it all back together, with new gen Pug pads.
All set for Saturday now!
NSR caliper rebuilt this eve. I had a new seal kit, but tbh, it wasn't needed. The apparently original caliper was in great nick. No ally corrosion, plating on the sliders and piston still pretty much unmarked. A whole world better than the aftermarket one on the offside.
Did slider seals and piston seal and put it all back together, with new gen Pug pads.
All set for Saturday now!
OK, long time no update.
The trackday went well. Bristol to Bedford and back in a day, with over 200 track miles thrown in. Tyres weren't really up for it, but that just meant I got a chance to play with the chassis more. So easy and rewarding to balance on the throttle. Did a swap with a mate in his 205 Gti-6 (with 5 speed box, LSD and jenveys). His was faster, but we agreed mine handled better.
And the very next day, up to Derby, to pick up this:
Things went a bit quiet on the Rallye front as I was permanently under the Elise. See here: http://forums.seloc.org/viewthread.php?tid=433754
But the Peugeot miles have been clicking up with only routine maintenance really. And a new thermostat:
When I say 'routine', I do of course mean 'finally replacing the rear beam like I've been meaning to do for at least 2 years'.
I'd not realised how bad the ride quality had got as the old beam wore out. It's transformed the car... again. A bit like when I did all the suspension bushes in 2013.
Still can't think of a better car to replace this with. Does everything I want, and more. Totally unassuming to most people, but gets nods of approval from people who know.
I've racked up over 48,000 miles in it now over 4 and a bit years (at 28.51mpg). Long may it continue.
The trackday went well. Bristol to Bedford and back in a day, with over 200 track miles thrown in. Tyres weren't really up for it, but that just meant I got a chance to play with the chassis more. So easy and rewarding to balance on the throttle. Did a swap with a mate in his 205 Gti-6 (with 5 speed box, LSD and jenveys). His was faster, but we agreed mine handled better.
And the very next day, up to Derby, to pick up this:
Things went a bit quiet on the Rallye front as I was permanently under the Elise. See here: http://forums.seloc.org/viewthread.php?tid=433754
But the Peugeot miles have been clicking up with only routine maintenance really. And a new thermostat:
When I say 'routine', I do of course mean 'finally replacing the rear beam like I've been meaning to do for at least 2 years'.
I'd not realised how bad the ride quality had got as the old beam wore out. It's transformed the car... again. A bit like when I did all the suspension bushes in 2013.
Still can't think of a better car to replace this with. Does everything I want, and more. Totally unassuming to most people, but gets nods of approval from people who know.
I've racked up over 48,000 miles in it now over 4 and a bit years (at 28.51mpg). Long may it continue.
Just inhaled this thread from start to finish - the rollercoaster of emotions you've gone through makes for an entertaining (if a little sadistic) read!
Here's the really odd bit... You've not put me off the 306 Rallye, a car I've always admired from afar, but never owned.
That's probably because I like a bit of automotive pain (I've owned many cars that are regarded as "secondhand basket cases" by beards who know about these things).
Anyway, I digress! Great write-ups. More of the same, please.
Here's the really odd bit... You've not put me off the 306 Rallye, a car I've always admired from afar, but never owned.
That's probably because I like a bit of automotive pain (I've owned many cars that are regarded as "secondhand basket cases" by beards who know about these things).
Anyway, I digress! Great write-ups. More of the same, please.
Just had a belting run back from marshaling a 12 car. I'm pretty much lost for words. Above a certain speed, it just comes alive. It's absolutely electric.
Right now if you asked me which car handled better out of the Rallye and the Elise, I really don't know how I would choose between them.
You should all go out and buy one of these cars right now!
Right now if you asked me which car handled better out of the Rallye and the Elise, I really don't know how I would choose between them.
You should all go out and buy one of these cars right now!
Excellent read, great writing style...!
Love these, had a 309 back in t'day and always wanted one of these but they were just too new / dear for me back then... would still be my first choice if I was ever in the market for a sort of late 90 / early 00's hot hatch as a bit of a weekend thing / daily driver.
Great work.
Love these, had a 309 back in t'day and always wanted one of these but they were just too new / dear for me back then... would still be my first choice if I was ever in the market for a sort of late 90 / early 00's hot hatch as a bit of a weekend thing / daily driver.
Great work.
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