Mk5 GTI with Air ride

Mk5 GTI with Air ride

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rich83

14,246 posts

139 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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xjay1337 said:
What about 500bhp AND air ride? smile
Pointless.

AngryPartsBloke

1,436 posts

152 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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rich83 said:
Why didn't you make it have 500bhp then? Infinity more fun than air ride.

Edited by rich83 on Wednesday 25th June 01:21
Clearly you missed the point where he mentioned he didn't want to?

Heaven forbid somebody do what they want to a car they own.

Sat90

64 posts

119 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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rich83 said:
xjay1337 said:
What about 500bhp AND air ride? smile
Pointless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ScCHuaCLrM

Sat90

64 posts

119 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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greggy50 said:
Glad I don't bother with the VW scene the only thing people seem to do is slam a car and change the wheels maybe fit an interior from a nicer model and that's it. Just no innovation at all go to shows and all the cars are basically the same everything that wins seems to be a brand new audi/vw in poverty spec with air suspension some stupidly expensive wheels and the seats out an RS4 trimmed in a stupid colour.

This seems a nice enough car if into that but the chassis notch seems a bit silly to me and as other have said it techincally need an IVA test... however it would be nice to have seen you maybe do something different and make it more track biased or whatever instead of just being a sheep. Also I have driven a couple of cars on air suspension and for me they do not handle as well as a decent set of coilovers.
This.


The best car on the scene for me is Hamish's home build shorty sport quattro (which he cut and welded himself and fitted an S2 engine into before anyone kicks off about crash structures and safety etc etc)

No air, silly retrim or silly big wheels in sight.

Went from this


To this


Edited by Sat90 on Wednesday 25th June 09:57


Edited by Sat90 on Wednesday 25th June 09:57

hman

7,487 posts

195 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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IMO it would be much better being built as a sleeper, a very rapid sleeper at that.


Anyway, I have a question or two about air ride -


Does the car lose pressure to all airbags in the event of a failure of the system and components?
Would the failure be catastrophic - eg a hose comes out of the airbag connection - what happens - do you lose ride height equally or will the affected corner change its dynamics at a faster rate than the other airbags?

Believe it or not I have assisted with the install of one of these systems for a (at the time) chum, the push fit connections and plastic pneumatic hoses seemed very susceptible to wear and failure especially being that close to the road...


rich83

14,246 posts

139 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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Sat90 said:
rich83 said:
xjay1337 said:
What about 500bhp AND air ride? smile
Pointless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ScCHuaCLrM
Proves?

xjay1337

Original Poster:

15,966 posts

119 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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hman said:
IMO it would be much better being built as a sleeper, a very rapid sleeper at that.


Anyway, I have a question or two about air ride -


Does the car lose pressure to all airbags in the event of a failure of the system and components?
Would the failure be catastrophic - eg a hose comes out of the airbag connection - what happens - do you lose ride height equally or will the affected corner change its dynamics at a faster rate than the other airbags?

Believe it or not I have assisted with the install of one of these systems for a (at the time) chum, the push fit connections and plastic pneumatic hoses seemed very susceptible to wear and failure especially being that close to the road...
Yes, it would simply collapse.. each bag has it's own air line with metal connections (no plastic ones here) so all good in that regard. So if the front left one came lose or broke the front left bag would lose pressure.

Had it a year now and had no issues thankfully.

Sat90

64 posts

119 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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rich83 said:
Sat90 said:
rich83 said:
xjay1337 said:
What about 500bhp AND air ride? smile
Pointless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ScCHuaCLrM
Proves?
That a car on air can handle and has been proven in races all over the world by AirLift Performance and Airrex systems.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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Sat90 said:
That a car on air can handle and has been proven in races all over the world by AirLift Performance and Airrex systems.
someone in the comments said:
Air ride is for show, as seen by the 26th place with 520whp...

Sat90

64 posts

119 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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yonex said:
Sat90 said:
That a car on air can handle and has been proven in races all over the world by AirLift Performance and Airrex systems.
someone in the comments said:
Air ride is for show, as seen by the 26th place with 520whp...
Still beat 24 cars running static......

rich83

14,246 posts

139 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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Sat90 said:
yonex said:
Sat90 said:
That a car on air can handle and has been proven in races all over the world by AirLift Performance and Airrex systems.
someone in the comments said:
Air ride is for show, as seen by the 26th place with 520whp...
Still beat 24 cars running static......
Still proves nothing....

TheAngryDog

12,409 posts

210 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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Sat90 said:
yonex said:
Sat90 said:
That a car on air can handle and has been proven in races all over the world by AirLift Performance and Airrex systems.
someone in the comments said:
Air ride is for show, as seen by the 26th place with 520whp...
Still beat 24 cars running static......
How much power were they all running? How much power were the 25 cars in front of it running?

Sat90

64 posts

119 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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TheAngryDog said:
Sat90 said:
yonex said:
Sat90 said:
That a car on air can handle and has been proven in races all over the world by AirLift Performance and Airrex systems.
someone in the comments said:
Air ride is for show, as seen by the 26th place with 520whp...
Still beat 24 cars running static......
How much power were they all running? How much power were the 25 cars in front of it running?
Doesn't say, so who's to say they were running more or less? Considering alot of the cars were Subarus and the like, I'd say they would be of similar power.

TheAngryDog

12,409 posts

210 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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Sat90 said:
TheAngryDog said:
Sat90 said:
yonex said:
Sat90 said:
That a car on air can handle and has been proven in races all over the world by AirLift Performance and Airrex systems.
someone in the comments said:
Air ride is for show, as seen by the 26th place with 520whp...
Still beat 24 cars running static......
How much power were they all running? How much power were the 25 cars in front of it running?
Doesn't say, so who's to say they were running more or less? Considering alot of the cars were Subarus and the like, I'd say they would be of similar power.
Then the video proves nothing. Everything is an unknown quantity. I would imagine that all 25 cars in front of it had static suspension, and may even of had less power, and the 24 behind it had quite a lot less power.

Your point is both null and void so far as the video is concerned.

Sat90

64 posts

119 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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TheAngryDog said:
Sat90 said:
TheAngryDog said:
Sat90 said:
yonex said:
Sat90 said:
That a car on air can handle and has been proven in races all over the world by AirLift Performance and Airrex systems.
someone in the comments said:
Air ride is for show, as seen by the 26th place with 520whp...
Still beat 24 cars running static......
How much power were they all running? How much power were the 25 cars in front of it running?
Doesn't say, so who's to say they were running more or less? Considering alot of the cars were Subarus and the like, I'd say they would be of similar power.
Then the video proves nothing. Everything is an unknown quantity. I would imagine that all 25 cars in front of it had static suspension, and may even of had less power, and the 24 behind it had quite a lot less power.

Your point is both null and void so far as the video is concerned.
The video was to provide proof that if air ride can withstand motorsport use, then road use wouldn't pose a problem for it. The fact that someone mentioned power in the comments doesn't really mean much as alot of it can be attributed to driver skill.

Even if the car had 520whp, the driver may or may not have had much racing experience compaed to other drivers. Your comment is void based on the varying degrees of driver skill which would have had a huge effect on the placings, not just power.

All the video is there to prove is that air ride isn't a hindrance, nor an advantage in handling but ultimately doesn't compare to a well sorted chassis set up. And it alo states in the video that the AirLift Subaru was the only car running air.

For all you know, the cars who finished behind may have had more power but less experienced drivers.

This all seems like a whole load of arguing for no real reason except for some folk to release some gas from their bodies without parting their lips or bumcheeks....

Edited by Sat90 on Wednesday 25th June 12:38

ManOpener

12,467 posts

170 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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Sat90 said:
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Judging by that plate, properly IVA'd and therefore actually road legal too. There's a lesson in that somewhere...

Sat90

64 posts

119 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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ManOpener said:
Sat90 said:
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Judging by that plate, properly IVA'd and therefore actually road legal too. There's a lesson in that somewhere...
Seen it in the flesh on Sunday, amazing work, just awesome.

conkerman

3,301 posts

136 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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That quattro is awesome.

And as suggested the Q-plate may indicate IVA and a proper job done.




Sat90

64 posts

119 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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If you look at the before and after pic, it's the same plate......




Edited by Sat90 on Wednesday 25th June 14:24

B3ALP

491 posts

142 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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greggy50 said:
Glad I don't bother with the VW scene
I am sure they would agree;)