Ferrari F430 Spider
Discussion
johnfm said:
Check out Schermerhorn (often on the BMW forum) - re: SICOM carbon disc refurb. Looks like a very good quality product.
Thank you. I'm considering going that route if I can find some cheap worn discs (F430 challenge probably).Trexthedinosaur said:
Can we see some more full car pictures ....
Level of detail is amazing.
Thank you. These are probably the best I have:Level of detail is amazing.
thebraketester said:
Do you have to have the ECU remapped when adding those larger MAF housings?
Yes, you do. I'm going with DMS as their development process was supposedly lengthly and involved the E-Diff software. Gains for an otherwise stock F430 are a claimed 42Bhp (8.6%) and 35Lb/Ft (10.2%). One of the first people to have it done at DMS has over 49k miles without issue; see http://ferrarichat.com/forum/united-kingdom/295092...
Aftermarket exhaust manifolds without pre-cats take an otherwise stock F430 from 483bhp to ~505bhp, so in conjunction with my induction changes, the manifolds, and a DMS remap, I hope to be in the reigon of 550Bhp.
Stock 16M = 503Bhp / 1440kg = 349.31 BHP per tonne.
Stock F430 = 483Bhp / 1520kg = 317.76 BHP per tonne.
I think I can loose 35kg with the carbon seats, 10kg with the light weight Scuderia bumpers and undertrays, 15kg from the exhaust, and 6kg with the 16M suspension and titainium ARBs. Result:
550bhp / 1454kg = 378.27 BHP per tonne.
Let's see...
Edited by mwstewart on Tuesday 15th March 11:47
Quick update on the airbox modification: I'm not doing it.
I'd been researching the 16M engine lid (part #81618111), originally in the hope it had a larger duck tail spoiler than the regular spider - as per the Scuderia compared withj the regular Berlinetta - but it didn't.
16M
F430 Spider
Curious to see what other differences there were I started looking at the parts system and from there I noted that the bolt-on grille brackets are different to suit the 16M mesh type, but nothing else was. Next stop photos of the underside to compare the structural sections to determine if any weight saving measures had been taken, but nope - none. It was then I noticed something: looking at a stock spider engine bay underside the purple arrows indicate the areas above the witness mark on my L/H/S carbon airbox lid.
Compare that to the 16M lid and it becomes obvious that the offending section frame structure has been scalloped to provide clearance to the larger cabon airbox lids.
Curiously, the 16M lid (#81618111) at £1,904.30 ex VAT is much cheaper than the regular lid (#68413111) at £2,359.33ex VAT!
I will go ahead and modify my engine lid but leave the airbox alone, aside from the ceramic coating.
I'd been researching the 16M engine lid (part #81618111), originally in the hope it had a larger duck tail spoiler than the regular spider - as per the Scuderia compared withj the regular Berlinetta - but it didn't.
16M
F430 Spider
Curious to see what other differences there were I started looking at the parts system and from there I noted that the bolt-on grille brackets are different to suit the 16M mesh type, but nothing else was. Next stop photos of the underside to compare the structural sections to determine if any weight saving measures had been taken, but nope - none. It was then I noticed something: looking at a stock spider engine bay underside the purple arrows indicate the areas above the witness mark on my L/H/S carbon airbox lid.
Compare that to the 16M lid and it becomes obvious that the offending section frame structure has been scalloped to provide clearance to the larger cabon airbox lids.
Curiously, the 16M lid (#81618111) at £1,904.30 ex VAT is much cheaper than the regular lid (#68413111) at £2,359.33ex VAT!
I will go ahead and modify my engine lid but leave the airbox alone, aside from the ceramic coating.
Edited by mwstewart on Tuesday 15th March 11:51
mwstewart said:
Aftermarket exhaust manifolds without pre-cats take an otherwise stock F430 from 483bhp to ~505bhp, so in conjunction with my induction changes, the manifolds, and a DMS remap, I hope to be in the reigon of 550Bhp.
Stock 16M = 503Bhp / 1440kg = 349.31 BHP per tonne.
Stock F430 = 483Bhp / 1520kg = 317.76 BHP per tonne.
I think I can loose 35kg with the carbon seats, 10kg with the light weight Scuderia bumpers and undertrays, 15kg from the exhaust, and 6kg with the 16M suspension and titainium ARBs. Result:
550bhp / 1454kg = 378.27 BHP per tonne.
Let's see...
That'll be extremely impressive if your numbers are correct Mark, I'm looking forward to it. I'm assuming you'll have it on the dyno before and after so you can see the difference? It'll be very fast at any rate. Stock 16M = 503Bhp / 1440kg = 349.31 BHP per tonne.
Stock F430 = 483Bhp / 1520kg = 317.76 BHP per tonne.
I think I can loose 35kg with the carbon seats, 10kg with the light weight Scuderia bumpers and undertrays, 15kg from the exhaust, and 6kg with the 16M suspension and titainium ARBs. Result:
550bhp / 1454kg = 378.27 BHP per tonne.
Let's see...
Are those weights wet/curb weights?
I tracked down the other MAF. A new OEM part
I also have a new exhaust to suit the 16M/Scuderia bumper. I've never been a fan of the 16/Scuderia exhaust note - it's too harsh - and I think the standard F430 sounds much sweeter. Another thing I don't like about the stock exhaust is the valve system; it's a pneumatic system with completely binary operation, and due to the massive difference in back pressure between the silenced and unsilenced route there’s an awkward transition period between the two.
Something I hope will address all of my gripes is the F430 challenge exhaust: it fits the 16M/Scuderia bumper but is different in that it removes the valves from the system altogether, and relies solely on a small straight-through silencer . There's no doubt it's going to be louder than a stock F430 exhaust with the valves closed, however the pipe exits cross over which helps sweeten the sound, as per the F430 exhaust.
I will polish the silencer and have the tubes ceramic coated. In time I may cut open the box and weld in a Burns stainless crossover, which is more commonly known as an ‘X pipe’; this gives an F430 a high pitched N/A F1 sound.
I also have a new exhaust to suit the 16M/Scuderia bumper. I've never been a fan of the 16/Scuderia exhaust note - it's too harsh - and I think the standard F430 sounds much sweeter. Another thing I don't like about the stock exhaust is the valve system; it's a pneumatic system with completely binary operation, and due to the massive difference in back pressure between the silenced and unsilenced route there’s an awkward transition period between the two.
Something I hope will address all of my gripes is the F430 challenge exhaust: it fits the 16M/Scuderia bumper but is different in that it removes the valves from the system altogether, and relies solely on a small straight-through silencer . There's no doubt it's going to be louder than a stock F430 exhaust with the valves closed, however the pipe exits cross over which helps sweeten the sound, as per the F430 exhaust.
I will polish the silencer and have the tubes ceramic coated. In time I may cut open the box and weld in a Burns stainless crossover, which is more commonly known as an ‘X pipe’; this gives an F430 a high pitched N/A F1 sound.
Edited by mwstewart on Tuesday 15th March 11:54
Hi Mark,
Have just found this thread (and read it from the OP) as i am fairly new to PHs.
Having purchased a F1 430 some 2 months ago I find this (and Aldous Voices website) both interesting and inspirational.
Not wishing to totally hijack your thread mine is a late 2008 Rosso Corsa/Crema/Bordeaux car with a number of factory fitted options including CCM brakes,Daytona seats,Carbon Scuderia rear grill and shields,parking sensors,larger chrome exhaust tips.
I looked and waited for over 2 yrs before giving up on a search for a manual car with this colour combination (its a personal thing but i only like darker colours on larger Ferraris ) and bought my example from Meredien Modena - really nice people to do business with - and just 5K miles on the clock with FFSH (not always a good thing I know but it is often re-sale dependant).
Currently its garaged and jacked with the wheels off and on their way to be stripped and resprayed in the mid gold of the 60s/70's SPs.
It was really more than I wanted to pay but with this spec and prices continuing to rise it was now or never for me.
In a previous life I had a new 328GTB, divorce came car went,and on the basis of if you can fix complex aeroplanes and their engines then Ferrari maintenance is probably achievable having always looked after cars myself - and a father with his own garage business also helped.
No doubt I will be in contact with a myriad of questions but in the meantime keep posting!!
ATB
Alan
Have just found this thread (and read it from the OP) as i am fairly new to PHs.
Having purchased a F1 430 some 2 months ago I find this (and Aldous Voices website) both interesting and inspirational.
Not wishing to totally hijack your thread mine is a late 2008 Rosso Corsa/Crema/Bordeaux car with a number of factory fitted options including CCM brakes,Daytona seats,Carbon Scuderia rear grill and shields,parking sensors,larger chrome exhaust tips.
I looked and waited for over 2 yrs before giving up on a search for a manual car with this colour combination (its a personal thing but i only like darker colours on larger Ferraris ) and bought my example from Meredien Modena - really nice people to do business with - and just 5K miles on the clock with FFSH (not always a good thing I know but it is often re-sale dependant).
Currently its garaged and jacked with the wheels off and on their way to be stripped and resprayed in the mid gold of the 60s/70's SPs.
It was really more than I wanted to pay but with this spec and prices continuing to rise it was now or never for me.
In a previous life I had a new 328GTB, divorce came car went,and on the basis of if you can fix complex aeroplanes and their engines then Ferrari maintenance is probably achievable having always looked after cars myself - and a father with his own garage business also helped.
No doubt I will be in contact with a myriad of questions but in the meantime keep posting!!
ATB
Alan
Edited by berksboy26 on Friday 13th November 18:19
berksboy26 said:
Hi Mark,
Have just found this thread (and read it from the OP) as i am fairly new to PHs.
...
ATB
Alan
Thanks Alan, it sounds like you have a very nice example there - the previous owner kindly ran it in for you Have just found this thread (and read it from the OP) as i am fairly new to PHs.
...
ATB
Alan
I'll be interested to see a photo once you have the wheels painted as I think Rosso can pull off the gold wheels. I'm going to fit the parking sesnors to mine, as after driving it around on the continent I found parking with the roof up would have been a lot easier with them fitted.Cheers,
Mark
mwstewart said:
Yes, you do. I'm going with DMS as their development process was supposedly lengthly and involved the E-Diff software. Gains for an otherwise stock F430 are a claimed 42Bhp (8.6%) and 35Lb/Ft (10.2%). One of the first people to have it done at DMS has over 49k miles without issue; see http://ferrarichat.com/forum/united-kingdom/295092...
Aftermarket exhaust manifolds without pre-cats take an otherwise stock F430 from 483bhp to ~505bhp, so in conjunction with my induction changes, the manifolds, and a DMS remap, I hope to be in the reigon of 550Bhp.
Stock 16M = 503Bhp / 1440kg = 349.31 BHP per tonne.
Stock F430 = 483Bhp / 1520kg = 317.76 BHP per tonne.
I think I can loose 35kg with the carbon seats, 10kg with the light weight Scuderia bumpers and undertrays, 15kg from the exhaust, and 6kg with the 16M suspension and titainium ARBs. Result:
550bhp / 1454kg = 378.27 BHP per tonne.
Let's see...
Mark, Aftermarket exhaust manifolds without pre-cats take an otherwise stock F430 from 483bhp to ~505bhp, so in conjunction with my induction changes, the manifolds, and a DMS remap, I hope to be in the reigon of 550Bhp.
Stock 16M = 503Bhp / 1440kg = 349.31 BHP per tonne.
Stock F430 = 483Bhp / 1520kg = 317.76 BHP per tonne.
I think I can loose 35kg with the carbon seats, 10kg with the light weight Scuderia bumpers and undertrays, 15kg from the exhaust, and 6kg with the 16M suspension and titainium ARBs. Result:
550bhp / 1454kg = 378.27 BHP per tonne.
Let's see...
Very interested in how you get on with DMS, have been looking at re map options for the 430, shame they are only located on the south coast.
I have AP manifolds (removing pre-cat), tubi test pipe (removing main cats) and tubi back box, BMC f1 air filters with carbon air box. The fuelling is ok (a/f is within range, ecu compensating ok) I do get ecu check light after 50miles but just live with it. Problem is that it's just too loud for normal driving! In full attack its mind blowing and the scream is off the scale! I just want to be able to turn it down sometimes, I'm going to re fit the oem back box with a forza switchable remote control for the valves. This will give me always open, always closed or oem opening options etc. The oem back box on the 430 is the same as what is used in the challenge Stradale.
YouTube clip of my 430 chasing a mates M4 in Germany near the ring in summer this year:
http://youtu.be/IM6BX777GPY
It's very loud!
The M4 easily a match on pure acceleration to the 430!
I've not read all the thread, have you changed the ride height or considered it?
I have had scud springs fitted and lowered 25mm with hills 20mm rear and 15mm front spacers and its transformed the car, removed the under steer and it really feels like a go kart now!
problem is its a little too low, I'm going to come back up 10mm (equal to scud ride height). I touch down the rear diffuser a lot! Would love to be able to get hold of some titanium diffuser fins or skids for f1 Sparks! Simon
Edited by chillo on Saturday 14th November 12:42
Edited by chillo on Saturday 14th November 12:45
chillo said:
Mark,
Very interested in how you get on with DMS, have been looking at re map options for the 430, shame they are only located on the south coast.
I have AP manifolds (removing pre-cat), tubi test pipe (removing main cats) and tubi back box, BMC f1 air filters with carbon air box. The fuelling is ok (a/f is within range, ecu compensating ok) I do get ecu check light after 50miles but just live with it. Problem is that it's just too loud for normal driving! In full attack its mind blowing and the scream is off the scale! I just want to be able to turn it down sometimes, I'm going to re fit the oem back box with a forza switchable remote control for the valves. This will give me always open, always closed or oem opening options etc. The oem back box on the 430 is the same as what is used in the challenge Stradale.
YouTube clip of my 430 chasing a mates M4 in Germany near the ring in summer this year:
http://youtu.be/IM6BX777GPY
It's very loud!
The M4 easily a match on pure acceleration to the 430!
I've not read all the thread, have you changed the ride height or considered it?
I have had scud springs fitted and lowered 25mm with hills 20mm rear and 15mm front spacers and its transformed the car, removed the under steer and it really feels like a go kart now! problem is its a little too low, I'm going to come back up 10mm (equal to scud ride height). I touch down the rear diffuser a lot! Would love to be able to get hold of some titanium diffuser fins or skids for f1 Sparks!
Simon
Interesting Comment on the 430 v M4, had this discussion with a friend the other day that an M4 can keep up - but they sound NOTHING like as good as a 430 does at full chat. On the M1 a short while ago and I was in my diesel fiesta (I know dreadful) and he gunned it past - pure music to my ears. Worth every penny for that noise and still at 10 years old or so look so good!!!Very interested in how you get on with DMS, have been looking at re map options for the 430, shame they are only located on the south coast.
I have AP manifolds (removing pre-cat), tubi test pipe (removing main cats) and tubi back box, BMC f1 air filters with carbon air box. The fuelling is ok (a/f is within range, ecu compensating ok) I do get ecu check light after 50miles but just live with it. Problem is that it's just too loud for normal driving! In full attack its mind blowing and the scream is off the scale! I just want to be able to turn it down sometimes, I'm going to re fit the oem back box with a forza switchable remote control for the valves. This will give me always open, always closed or oem opening options etc. The oem back box on the 430 is the same as what is used in the challenge Stradale.
YouTube clip of my 430 chasing a mates M4 in Germany near the ring in summer this year:
http://youtu.be/IM6BX777GPY
It's very loud!
The M4 easily a match on pure acceleration to the 430!
I've not read all the thread, have you changed the ride height or considered it?
I have had scud springs fitted and lowered 25mm with hills 20mm rear and 15mm front spacers and its transformed the car, removed the under steer and it really feels like a go kart now!
problem is its a little too low, I'm going to come back up 10mm (equal to scud ride height). I touch down the rear diffuser a lot! Would love to be able to get hold of some titanium diffuser fins or skids for f1 Sparks! Simon
Edited by chillo on Saturday 14th November 12:42
Edited by chillo on Saturday 14th November 12:45
chillo said:
mwstewart said:
Yes, you do. I'm going with DMS as their development process was supposedly lengthly and involved the E-Diff software. Gains for an otherwise stock F430 are a claimed 42Bhp (8.6%) and 35Lb/Ft (10.2%). One of the first people to have it done at DMS has over 49k miles without issue; see http://ferrarichat.com/forum/united-kingdom/295092...
Aftermarket exhaust manifolds without pre-cats take an otherwise stock F430 from 483bhp to ~505bhp, so in conjunction with my induction changes, the manifolds, and a DMS remap, I hope to be in the reigon of 550Bhp.
Stock 16M = 503Bhp / 1440kg = 349.31 BHP per tonne.
Stock F430 = 483Bhp / 1520kg = 317.76 BHP per tonne.
I think I can loose 35kg with the carbon seats, 10kg with the light weight Scuderia bumpers and undertrays, 15kg from the exhaust, and 6kg with the 16M suspension and titainium ARBs. Result:
550bhp / 1454kg = 378.27 BHP per tonne.
Let's see...
Mark, Aftermarket exhaust manifolds without pre-cats take an otherwise stock F430 from 483bhp to ~505bhp, so in conjunction with my induction changes, the manifolds, and a DMS remap, I hope to be in the reigon of 550Bhp.
Stock 16M = 503Bhp / 1440kg = 349.31 BHP per tonne.
Stock F430 = 483Bhp / 1520kg = 317.76 BHP per tonne.
I think I can loose 35kg with the carbon seats, 10kg with the light weight Scuderia bumpers and undertrays, 15kg from the exhaust, and 6kg with the 16M suspension and titainium ARBs. Result:
550bhp / 1454kg = 378.27 BHP per tonne.
Let's see...
Very interested in how you get on with DMS, have been looking at re map options for the 430, shame they are only located on the south coast.
I have AP manifolds (removing pre-cat), tubi test pipe (removing main cats) and tubi back box, BMC f1 air filters with carbon air box. The fuelling is ok (a/f is within range, ecu compensating ok) I do get ecu check light after 50miles but just live with it. Problem is that it's just too loud for normal driving! In full attack its mind blowing and the scream is off the scale! I just want to be able to turn it down sometimes, I'm going to re fit the oem back box with a forza switchable remote control for the valves. This will give me always open, always closed or oem opening options etc. The oem back box on the 430 is the same as what is used in the challenge Stradale.
YouTube clip of my 430 chasing a mates M4 in Germany near the ring in summer this year:
http://youtu.be/IM6BX777GPY
It's very loud!
The M4 easily a match on pure acceleration to the 430!
I've not read all the thread, have you changed the ride height or considered it?
I have had scud springs fitted and lowered 25mm with hills 20mm rear and 15mm front spacers and its transformed the car, removed the under steer and it really feels like a go kart now!
problem is its a little too low, I'm going to come back up 10mm (equal to scud ride height). I touch down the rear diffuser a lot! Would love to be able to get hold of some titanium diffuser fins or skids for f1 Sparks! Simon
Edited by chillo on Saturday 14th November 12:42
Edited by chillo on Saturday 14th November 12:45
Are you not risking a world of bother with the German police showing those kinds of speeds and location etc?
chillo said:
mwstewart said:
Yes, you do. I'm going with DMS as their development process was supposedly lengthly and involved the E-Diff software. Gains for an otherwise stock F430 are a claimed 42Bhp (8.6%) and 35Lb/Ft (10.2%). One of the first people to have it done at DMS has over 49k miles without issue; see http://ferrarichat.com/forum/united-kingdom/295092...
Aftermarket exhaust manifolds without pre-cats take an otherwise stock F430 from 483bhp to ~505bhp, so in conjunction with my induction changes, the manifolds, and a DMS remap, I hope to be in the reigon of 550Bhp.
Stock 16M = 503Bhp / 1440kg = 349.31 BHP per tonne.
Stock F430 = 483Bhp / 1520kg = 317.76 BHP per tonne.
I think I can loose 35kg with the carbon seats, 10kg with the light weight Scuderia bumpers and undertrays, 15kg from the exhaust, and 6kg with the 16M suspension and titainium ARBs. Result:
550bhp / 1454kg = 378.27 BHP per tonne.
Let's see...
Mark, Aftermarket exhaust manifolds without pre-cats take an otherwise stock F430 from 483bhp to ~505bhp, so in conjunction with my induction changes, the manifolds, and a DMS remap, I hope to be in the reigon of 550Bhp.
Stock 16M = 503Bhp / 1440kg = 349.31 BHP per tonne.
Stock F430 = 483Bhp / 1520kg = 317.76 BHP per tonne.
I think I can loose 35kg with the carbon seats, 10kg with the light weight Scuderia bumpers and undertrays, 15kg from the exhaust, and 6kg with the 16M suspension and titainium ARBs. Result:
550bhp / 1454kg = 378.27 BHP per tonne.
Let's see...
Very interested in how you get on with DMS, have been looking at re map options for the 430, shame they are only located on the south coast.
I have AP manifolds (removing pre-cat), tubi test pipe (removing main cats) and tubi back box, BMC f1 air filters with carbon air box. The fuelling is ok (a/f is within range, ecu compensating ok) I do get ecu check light after 50miles but just live with it. Problem is that it's just too loud for normal driving! In full attack its mind blowing and the scream is off the scale! I just want to be able to turn it down sometimes, I'm going to re fit the oem back box with a forza switchable remote control for the valves. This will give me always open, always closed or oem opening options etc. The oem back box on the 430 is the same as what is used in the challenge Stradale.
YouTube clip of my 430 chasing a mates M4 in Germany near the ring in summer this year:
http://youtu.be/IM6BX777GPY
It's very loud!
The M4 easily a match on pure acceleration to the 430!
I've not read all the thread, have you changed the ride height or considered it?
I have had scud springs fitted and lowered 25mm with hills 20mm rear and 15mm front spacers and its transformed the car, removed the under steer and it really feels like a go kart now!
problem is its a little too low, I'm going to come back up 10mm (equal to scud ride height). I touch down the rear diffuser a lot! Would love to be able to get hold of some titanium diffuser fins or skids for f1 Sparks! Simon
Edited by chillo on Saturday 14th November 12:42
Edited by chillo on Saturday 14th November 12:45
Are you not risking a world of bother with the German police showing those kinds of speeds and location etc?
mattf93 said:
Interesting Comment on the 430 v M4, had this discussion with a friend the other day that an M4 can keep up - but they sound NOTHING like as good as a 430 does at full chat. On the M1 a short while ago and I was in my diesel fiesta (I know dreadful) and he gunned it past - pure music to my ears. Worth every penny for that noise and still at 10 years old or so look so good!!!
I went from an M6 (F12 V8) to the F430 and the F430 was definitely notably slower straight line, but the F430's screaming getting there means it's 10x the experience!!My benchmark of using my fiancee's reaction... M6 0-100mph - 7 seconds later and she's still checking Facebook on her phone. F430 0-100mph - 8 seconds later and she's screaming at me to stop the car and that she will never drive with me again!
sealtt said:
I went from an M6 (F12 V8) to the F430 and the F430 was definitely notably slower straight line, but the F430's screaming getting there means it's 10x the experience!!
My benchmark of using my fiancee's reaction... M6 0-100mph - 7 seconds later and she's still checking Facebook on her phone. F430 0-100mph - 8 seconds later and she's screaming at me to stop the car and that she will never drive with me again!
When you have enough money to buy 'special' things, I think you realise there is more to life/cars/driving than just straight line pace. Its about how the car makes you feel, how the cabin is, the noise it makes and the driving experience etc. I have been in a M6 4.4Turbo also, and they are massively quick, but don't sound overly great (miles better than an m4 though).My benchmark of using my fiancee's reaction... M6 0-100mph - 7 seconds later and she's still checking Facebook on her phone. F430 0-100mph - 8 seconds later and she's screaming at me to stop the car and that she will never drive with me again!
I can imagine the 430 was night and day more of an 'experience' than the M6. The noise of the 430 is just amazing (and nicer than a 458 imo).
Love the comment of your fiancé
the 430 sounds like a screaming banshee, the m6 is more of an 'effortless' car to accelerate in - pretty poo in the wet though!Did you have a coupe or spider 430?
mattf93 said:
When you have enough money to buy 'special' things, I think you realise there is more to life/cars/driving than just straight line pace. Its about how the car makes you feel, how the cabin is, the noise it makes and the driving experience etc. I have been in a M6 4.4Turbo also, and they are massively quick, but don't sound overly great (miles better than an m4 though).
I can imagine the 430 was night and day more of an 'experience' than the M6. The noise of the 430 is just amazing (and nicer than a 458 imo).
Love the comment of your fiancé the 430 sounds like a screaming banshee, the m6 is more of an 'effortless' car to accelerate in - pretty poo in the wet though!
Did you have a coupe or spider 430?
Yes, absolutely. That's the Ferrari magic, they certainly make you feel special in a way no other brand does. Though I do love my Range Rover more I can imagine the 430 was night and day more of an 'experience' than the M6. The noise of the 430 is just amazing (and nicer than a 458 imo).
Love the comment of your fiancé
the 430 sounds like a screaming banshee, the m6 is more of an 'effortless' car to accelerate in - pretty poo in the wet though!Did you have a coupe or spider 430?
My M6 and F430 were convertibles. I like open top motoring every now and again, nice way to enjoy the cars.chillo said:
Mark,
Very interested in how you get on with DMS, have been looking at re map options for the 430, shame they are only located on the south coast.
I have AP manifolds (removing pre-cat), tubi test pipe (removing main cats) and tubi back box, BMC f1 air filters with carbon air box. The fuelling is ok (a/f is within range, ecu compensating ok) I do get ecu check light after 50miles but just live with it. Problem is that it's just too loud for normal driving! In full attack its mind blowing and the scream is off the scale! I just want to be able to turn it down sometimes, I'm going to re fit the oem back box with a forza switchable remote control for the valves. This will give me always open, always closed or oem opening options etc. The oem back box on the 430 is the same as what is used in the challenge Stradale.
YouTube clip of my 430 chasing a mates M4 in Germany near the ring in summer this year:
http://youtu.be/IM6BX777GPY
It's very loud!
The M4 easily a match on pure acceleration to the 430!
I've not read all the thread, have you changed the ride height or considered it?
I have had scud springs fitted and lowered 25mm with hills 20mm rear and 15mm front spacers and its transformed the car, removed the under steer and it really feels like a go kart now! problem is its a little too low, I'm going to come back up 10mm (equal to scud ride height). I touch down the rear diffuser a lot! Would love to be able to get hold of some titanium diffuser fins or skids for f1 Sparks!
Simon
Hi Simon,Very interested in how you get on with DMS, have been looking at re map options for the 430, shame they are only located on the south coast.
I have AP manifolds (removing pre-cat), tubi test pipe (removing main cats) and tubi back box, BMC f1 air filters with carbon air box. The fuelling is ok (a/f is within range, ecu compensating ok) I do get ecu check light after 50miles but just live with it. Problem is that it's just too loud for normal driving! In full attack its mind blowing and the scream is off the scale! I just want to be able to turn it down sometimes, I'm going to re fit the oem back box with a forza switchable remote control for the valves. This will give me always open, always closed or oem opening options etc. The oem back box on the 430 is the same as what is used in the challenge Stradale.
YouTube clip of my 430 chasing a mates M4 in Germany near the ring in summer this year:
http://youtu.be/IM6BX777GPY
It's very loud!
The M4 easily a match on pure acceleration to the 430!
I've not read all the thread, have you changed the ride height or considered it?
I have had scud springs fitted and lowered 25mm with hills 20mm rear and 15mm front spacers and its transformed the car, removed the under steer and it really feels like a go kart now!
problem is its a little too low, I'm going to come back up 10mm (equal to scud ride height). I touch down the rear diffuser a lot! Would love to be able to get hold of some titanium diffuser fins or skids for f1 Sparks! Simon
That's pretty loud! I'm considering a pair of 100 cell cats, but even they may be too much for me
I have a fair amount of work planned for the suspension but don't want to go too low, as I will have a carbon rear diffuser.Cheers,
Mark
sealtt said:
Yes, absolutely. That's the Ferrari magic, they certainly make you feel special in a way no other brand does. Though I do love my Range Rover more My M6 and F430 were convertibles. I like open top motoring every now and again, nice way to enjoy the cars.
They get 'under your skin' unfortunately Im not an owner (as Ive only just graduated and therefore next to skint) but form being with friends there is just something that says 'I made it' about them. As well as feeling more go kart like than an M6 certainly would. My M6 and F430 were convertibles. I like open top motoring every now and again, nice way to enjoy the cars.Also, generally speaking, on the days you will use a Ferrari/boys toy it will be when it is dry and warm so why not go for a convertible? I think as you're older 'hairdresser comments just seem rather silly imo.
Who doesn't want to be closer to the howl out of the rear exhaust? In some cars the lines of the cars are better in the spider form - it just depends on the person making the comment!
My dad has considered an RS5 Cabriolet for that reason, however as we shoot a discovery or range rover has been given the nod! Can certainly see the appeal of a range as an everyday use etc. But for driver involvement they're fairly removed in comparison to a 430. Comfortable, Luxurious and a nice place to be, great for soaking up the miles! - You certainly couldnt take business call in a 430 at full chat - they wouldn't exactly be able to hear you :P
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