Ferrari F430 Spider
Discussion
crosseyedlion said:
johnfm said:
Have you considered just buying a 16M and saving a few quid and actually driving it!!
Great way to learn how your car works - but a little bit OCD...
Do you realise how much a 16M actually is? Great way to learn how your car works - but a little bit OCD...
And part of the fun is building it.
Plus, if he went out and bought a 16M and left it standard there wouldn't be this thread to drool over
Geekman said:
Just tried it in race mode and it made a real difference - great tip!
Excellent. Clutch life is relatively short on these cars compared to a production car. Ferrari went for a small diameter clutch in order to get the engine low and lower the CoG. If you can smell clutch it's a very bad thing - they generally only last 20-30k (2005-2007) or 30-45k (2008 onwards).leglessAlex said:
The only RHD 16M in the PH classifieds is £400k, I'm willing to bet this will be half that even after all the work done. Not to mention that this will be more powerful (I think?) after the engine work has been carried out and probably better screwed together overall given how much attention has been lavished on it.
Plus, if he went out and bought a 16M and left it standard there wouldn't be this thread to drool over
Thanks. It'll actually come in quite a lot less than half, which I reckon is great VfM. Plus, if he went out and bought a 16M and left it standard there wouldn't be this thread to drool over
EJH said:
...and far from obvious to mere mortals!
I love Mr Stewart's threads; an inspiration to read and full of useful information selflessly shared!
Thank you! Do you work at the FCA?I love Mr Stewart's threads; an inspiration to read and full of useful information selflessly shared!
Scuderia electronics research – Part 6
To recap on a previous update F1-Trac is an advanced stability control system originally developed for the 599 that was ported over to the Scuderia. It is made possible by the Bosch generation 8 ABS module that I am in the process of fitting, which replaces the original 5.7.
In addition to F1-Trac a new Manettino setting called 'CT-Off' was developed for the Scuderia. It retains stability control but disables traction control, thus allowing wheel spin. The Manettino was rebranded 'Racing Manettino'.
I've studied wiring diagrams and learnt that CT-Off is activated not by a CAN word but by a dedicated wire from ABS module pin 42 to setting wheel node (NVO) pin 7, so essentially the Manettino earths the pin to disable traction control. I suspect that the CT-Off position also broadcasts the RACE mode CAN word as the ESP map is the same as RACE mode.
To complete my retrofit I've purchased a brand new steering wheel from a 599 GTO, which like the Scuderia is a full carbon wheel with LED shift lights and a Racing Manettino. I'm making the assumption that because both 599 and the Scuderia use the Bosch 8 module and F1 TCU the CAN words broadcast by the Manettino are the same i.e. a 599 wheel will work in the Scuderia.
Here's the new wheel.
Racing Manettino loses Ice mode and gains CT-Off.
The main reason I went for a 599 wheel is because they are equipped with buttons on the rear of the wheel to navigate through the instrument cluster computer. Of course, this are superfluous on the F430/Scuderia, but I'm going to remove them and fabricate adapter bezels to mount the Mercedes wheel mounted paddles I've purchased - as covered in a previous update.
I will have the wheel re-trimmed and the carbon lacquered in due course.
To recap on a previous update F1-Trac is an advanced stability control system originally developed for the 599 that was ported over to the Scuderia. It is made possible by the Bosch generation 8 ABS module that I am in the process of fitting, which replaces the original 5.7.
In addition to F1-Trac a new Manettino setting called 'CT-Off' was developed for the Scuderia. It retains stability control but disables traction control, thus allowing wheel spin. The Manettino was rebranded 'Racing Manettino'.
I've studied wiring diagrams and learnt that CT-Off is activated not by a CAN word but by a dedicated wire from ABS module pin 42 to setting wheel node (NVO) pin 7, so essentially the Manettino earths the pin to disable traction control. I suspect that the CT-Off position also broadcasts the RACE mode CAN word as the ESP map is the same as RACE mode.
To complete my retrofit I've purchased a brand new steering wheel from a 599 GTO, which like the Scuderia is a full carbon wheel with LED shift lights and a Racing Manettino. I'm making the assumption that because both 599 and the Scuderia use the Bosch 8 module and F1 TCU the CAN words broadcast by the Manettino are the same i.e. a 599 wheel will work in the Scuderia.
Here's the new wheel.
Racing Manettino loses Ice mode and gains CT-Off.
The main reason I went for a 599 wheel is because they are equipped with buttons on the rear of the wheel to navigate through the instrument cluster computer. Of course, this are superfluous on the F430/Scuderia, but I'm going to remove them and fabricate adapter bezels to mount the Mercedes wheel mounted paddles I've purchased - as covered in a previous update.
I will have the wheel re-trimmed and the carbon lacquered in due course.
Thanks all.
Vocht said:
Lovely wheel! I personally love the matte/un-laquered carbon myself so would keep that. What are you getting it re-trimmed in?
I'm going for the same as in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28lY1vnaQ4Q i.e. I'll keep the black Alcantara at the bottom but use Rosso (red) perforated leather on the hand grips.Zombie said:
You could buy a decent car for less...
Yes, sadly part prices are a bit mental. There are places like http://www.eurospares.co.uk/ who offer quite substantial savings on some lines, but not all. My search has taken me to vendors/sellers in all parts of the globe because I try to track down more reasonably priced parts before resorting to paying the retail price, but sometimes it is unavoidable - a lot of the parts I need are just too rare.mwstewart][b said:
To complete my retrofit I've purchased a brand new steering wheel from a 599 GTO, which like the Scuderia is a full carbon wheel with LED shift lights and a Racing Manettino. I'm making the assumption that because both 599 and the Scuderia use the Bosch 8 module and F1 TCU the CAN words broadcast by the Manettino are the same i.e. a 599 wheel will work in the Scuderia.
Here's the new wheel.
Racing Manettino loses Ice mode and gains CT-Off.
The main reason I went for a 599 wheel is because they are equipped with buttons on the rear of the wheel to navigate through the instrument cluster computer. Of course, this are superfluous on the F430/Scuderia, but I'm going to remove them and fabricate adapter bezels to mount the Mercedes wheel mounted paddles I've purchased - as covered in a previous update.
I will have the wheel re-trimmed and the carbon lacquered in due course.
I have this wheel on mine, it doesn't have the shift led's at the top but everything else is exactly the same. I love the alcantara on the bottom Here's the new wheel.
Racing Manettino loses Ice mode and gains CT-Off.
The main reason I went for a 599 wheel is because they are equipped with buttons on the rear of the wheel to navigate through the instrument cluster computer. Of course, this are superfluous on the F430/Scuderia, but I'm going to remove them and fabricate adapter bezels to mount the Mercedes wheel mounted paddles I've purchased - as covered in a previous update.
I will have the wheel re-trimmed and the carbon lacquered in due course.
The manetino works ok, the CT off button just doesn't line up that's all.
Very interested in the module 8 fitment!
Are you sure it was 2008 they changed the gearbox software? I have a mid 2007 spider and it apparently has the later gearbox ECU and software.
I had exactly the issue geekman had in a hotel in germany - the smell of burning clutch (money) was horrendous. I had since heard you needed to let the car warm up, but no one was really able to explain why - thanks for the info.
Good news is that in 10,000km of quite hard use including 7,000km in the alps and 2 trackdays, my clutch reading has gone from 41% to 45% worn. I realise this isn't completely proportional (otherwise I'd be looking forward to another 110,000km with this clutch!) but it does seem quite reasonable.
positive take-off and using sport / race mode and avoiding any kind of 'riding' the clutch in traffic seems to dramatically improve the clutch life.
Loving the thread btw...
I had exactly the issue geekman had in a hotel in germany - the smell of burning clutch (money) was horrendous. I had since heard you needed to let the car warm up, but no one was really able to explain why - thanks for the info.
Good news is that in 10,000km of quite hard use including 7,000km in the alps and 2 trackdays, my clutch reading has gone from 41% to 45% worn. I realise this isn't completely proportional (otherwise I'd be looking forward to another 110,000km with this clutch!) but it does seem quite reasonable.
positive take-off and using sport / race mode and avoiding any kind of 'riding' the clutch in traffic seems to dramatically improve the clutch life.
Loving the thread btw...
mwstewart said:
Geekman said:
Just tried it in race mode and it made a real difference - great tip!
Excellent. Clutch life is relatively short on these cars compared to a production car. Ferrari went for a small diameter clutch in order to get the engine low and lower the CoG. If you can smell clutch it's a very bad thing - they generally only last 20-30k (2005-2007) or 30-45k (2008 onwards).leglessAlex said:
The only RHD 16M in the PH classifieds is £400k, I'm willing to bet this will be half that even after all the work done. Not to mention that this will be more powerful (I think?) after the engine work has been carried out and probably better screwed together overall given how much attention has been lavished on it.
Plus, if he went out and bought a 16M and left it standard there wouldn't be this thread to drool over
Thanks. It'll actually come in quite a lot less than half, which I reckon is great VfM. Plus, if he went out and bought a 16M and left it standard there wouldn't be this thread to drool over
EJH said:
...and far from obvious to mere mortals!
I love Mr Stewart's threads; an inspiration to read and full of useful information selflessly shared!
Thank you! Do you work at the FCA?I love Mr Stewart's threads; an inspiration to read and full of useful information selflessly shared!
chillo said:
I have this wheel on mine, it doesn't have the shift led's at the top but everything else is exactly the same. I love the alcantara on the bottom
The manetino works ok, the CT off button just doesn't line up that's all.
Very interested in the module 8 fitment!
The manetino works ok, the CT off button just doesn't line up that's all.
Very interested in the module 8 fitment!
Ahh, you must have one of the rare Scuderia wheels from 2008 that didn't have the LEDs. Good to hear that the Manettino worked - that suggests the CAN IDs broadcast from it are the same between Scud and F430.
paulmnz said:
Are you sure it was 2008 they changed the gearbox software? I have a mid 2007 spider and it apparently has the later gearbox ECU and software.
I had exactly the issue geekman had in a hotel in germany - the smell of burning clutch (money) was horrendous. I had since heard you needed to let the car warm up, but no one was really able to explain why - thanks for the info.
Good news is that in 10,000km of quite hard use including 7,000km in the alps and 2 trackdays, my clutch reading has gone from 41% to 45% worn. I realise this isn't completely proportional (otherwise I'd be looking forward to another 110,000km with this clutch!) but it does seem quite reasonable.
positive take-off and using sport / race mode and avoiding any kind of 'riding' the clutch in traffic seems to dramatically improve the clutch life.
Loving the thread btw...
Thanks. SoFast 3 was MY08 which is builds from September 2007 onwards when the factory reopened after the summer break. To be precise it is all cars from assembly number 74557 - see www.mwstewart.co.uk/misc/f430/F430 assembly change.... There were updates to gearbox software available for all years regardless of F1 type but the CFC301 system was more significant.I had exactly the issue geekman had in a hotel in germany - the smell of burning clutch (money) was horrendous. I had since heard you needed to let the car warm up, but no one was really able to explain why - thanks for the info.
Good news is that in 10,000km of quite hard use including 7,000km in the alps and 2 trackdays, my clutch reading has gone from 41% to 45% worn. I realise this isn't completely proportional (otherwise I'd be looking forward to another 110,000km with this clutch!) but it does seem quite reasonable.
positive take-off and using sport / race mode and avoiding any kind of 'riding' the clutch in traffic seems to dramatically improve the clutch life.
Loving the thread btw...
Good to hear clutch life is good!
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Small world. I had to Google that
EJH said:
mwstewart said:
Thank you! Do you work at the FCA?
Sorry I missed this before...but nope. I work about 250m south of the FCA; the FCA letters are as I'm a Fellow of the ICAEW (ACA for the first decade and then apply to change the first letter).Gassing Station | Readers' Cars | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff